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  1. # Session Start: Thu Jan 23 00:00:00 2014
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
  3. # [00:00] <boink__> sorry, i am back, gf on the phone
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  7. # [00:03] <jeef3> đź‘Ť
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  9. # [00:04] <boink__> cannot find the file that generates it
  10. # [00:04] <boink__> js to the rescue I guess?
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  15. # [00:07] <boink__> think I found something
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  21. # [00:11] <jeef3> boink__: Out-to-lunch, good luck!
  22. # [00:11] <boink__> thanks for your help! enjoy your lunch
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  121. # [02:24] <Siecje> How do you put a form in a <tr>?
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  130. # [02:34] <jeef3> Siecje: You don't?
  131. # [02:34] <Siecje> jeef3: I am re-arranging them though
  132. # [02:35] <jeef3> Siecje: <tr> should only contain <td> or <th>
  133. # [02:38] <Siecje> so how should I re-order forms?
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  135. # [02:41] <jeef3> Siecje: I might need some more context for this one...
  136. # [02:41] <Siecje> Basically it is in an edit view of "skills" So you can edit the skill name of change the order of where it is.
  137. # [02:41] <Siecje> I am assuming because the html is not proper jsfiddle is not working
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  139. # [02:42] <jeef3> If you've got <form> elements, inside <tr>, then that could be a problem...
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  142. # [02:43] <kmiles> Siecje: link to your jsfiddle?
  143. # [02:44] <Siecje> jeef3: kmiles: http://jsfiddle.net/5k8sB/7/
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  145. # [02:48] <Siecje> If I don't have the form tag in the tr when I move it around the dom the form doesn't actually move
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  150. # [02:52] <jeef3> You've got some quite invalid HTML here
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  152. # [02:55] <Siecje> How do you recommend having a table of forms?
  153. # [02:56] <jeef3> Are you trying to get an inline editing feel?
  154. # [02:56] <jeef3> Click on 'Still' and it becomes editable?
  155. # [02:56] <kmiles> I'd recommend having one only <form> tag
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  158. # [02:59] <kmiles> I don't know how your processing after form submission...but make some way to identify what row you're working with available on that end...
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  160. # [03:00] <kmiles> that doesn't rely on different <form> tags. using multiple <form> is the path of the devil and will cause you pain
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  204. # [03:36] <nedbat> I'm trying to get some svg figures working, and they are behaving oddly. They are linked with img tags from here: http://nedbatchelder.com/text/names3.html
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  208. # [03:36] <nedbat> In firefox, the shapes are filled with black, but if I load the image in a new tab, it looks right. In chrome, the text is missing, but if i load in a new page, it looks fine.
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  211. # [03:37] <shepazu> nedbat, looking
  212. # [03:38] <nedbat> shepazu: thanks. btw, the same page but with embedded svg that look right: http://nedbatchelder.com/text/names2.html
  213. # [03:39] <shepazu> nedbat, might be the way you're invoking the stylesheet
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  215. # [03:39] <shepazu> have you tried an @import inside a style element?
  216. # [03:40] <nedbat> shepazu: I haven't. Do you have a link I could read?
  217. # [03:40] <shepazu> lemme see
  218. # [03:41] <pom_life> I've completed the basic courses regarding HTML, CSS, Javascript and JQuery on codecademy, and am familiar with other programming languages. Is there a source anyone can recommend to pick up on good development practices? I'd like to avoid getting into bad habits.
  219. # [03:41] <shepazu> http://schepers.cc/css-link-hack-in-svg
  220. # [03:42] <shepazu> nedbat, I talk about it a bit there
  221. # [03:42] <shepazu> <style type="text/css">@import url(svgstyle.css);</style>
  222. # [03:43] <shepazu> nedbat, but what you're dealing with is a browser quirk, so no guarantees
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  226. # [03:43] <nedbat> shepazu: do you have advice about how I can put these diagrams on the page in the most broadly supported way?
  227. # [03:44] <shepazu> nedbat, well, I think inline SVG works pretty well across browsers
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  229. # [03:44] <shepazu> iframe also works well
  230. # [03:44] <nedbat> shepazu: it's not so good on android phones.
  231. # [03:44] <shepazu> ahhhhh
  232. # [03:44] <nedbat> hmm, i'll try iframe, thanks.
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  234. # [03:44] <shepazu> yeah, I wish I were more current on that
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  237. # [03:48] <nedbat> shepazu: hmm, on my phone, the separate images don't render either, so not sure iframe would help me. I guess i'll just stick with inline.
  238. # [03:48] <shepazu> yeah, sorry
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  240. # [03:49] <kmiles> nedbat: You have issues with inline SVG on android?
  241. # [03:50] <nedbat> kmiles: yes. http://nedbatchelder.com/text/names2.html
  242. # [03:51] <nedbat> kmiles: i was trying them out as <img> tags, but those behave oddly in desktop browsers.
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  245. # [03:52] <kmiles> nedbat: Interesting. My only reason for not doing <img> is that you lose ability to script
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  248. # [03:52] <nedbat> kmiles: you also save on roundtrips.
  249. # [03:52] <kmiles> and you can't load external resources!
  250. # [03:53] <nedbat> kmiles: maybe i don't understand.
  251. # [03:53] <nedbat> kmiles: you're saying you prefer img? or avoid it?
  252. # [03:53] <kmiles> I avoid it
  253. # [03:53] <kmiles> i'm checking out your page on android right now...
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  257. # [03:54] <kmiles> they look good to me
  258. # [03:55] <nedbat> kmiles: must be newer than mine.
  259. # [03:55] <kmiles> nedbat: I went throught a lot of these pains...across the board, inline gives you the best support and least quirks
  260. # [03:55] <kmiles> what version you running?
  261. # [03:56] <nedbat> kmiles: thanks, that's good to know.
  262. # [03:56] <nedbat> kmiles: tbh, i'm enough of a newb I'm not really sure!
  263. # [03:57] <nedbat> kmiles: android 2.3.6 ?
  264. # [03:58] <kmiles> nedbat: You won't even get good SVG support under 2.4.3. You gotta jump to 3, preferably 4
  265. # [03:58] <nedbat> kmiles: i'm not concerned about my own phone, I'm just trying to get the broadest coverage.
  266. # [04:01] <kmiles> Android's support of SVG is actually pretty pathetic pre 4.x
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  864. # [17:04] <CaffeineCoding> hello :)
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  893. # [17:36] <nedbat> I was asking 12 hours or so ago about svg embedded in HTML5. It doesn't work in all browsers. does anyone have a good way to do a fallback to PNG if needed?
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  900. # [17:44] <quetzakubica> Can I style input range with css in a way that bar color behind thumb is different then whole input color?
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  903. # [17:45] <faustFederel> nedbat: html5please.com suggests some polyfill you might want to try for SVG
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  998. # [18:53] <glaksmono> anyone had built html5 games and have problems on android browsers?
  999. # [18:54] <glaksmono> i see there's a huge performance difference between android browsers vs. iphone
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  1022. # [19:13] <CaffeineCoding> any familiar channels for jquery?
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  1027. # [19:17] <CaffeineCoding> yes but any common irc freenode channels?
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  1035. # [19:23] <humani> CaffeineCoding, there's #jquery
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  1152. # [21:31] <nullfaith> Can someone recommend a good CMS for a beginner? I know html and css not much more...and I dont really want a blog style site so I was not sure if Wordpress is good for me. The site would be more a collection of tutorials.
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  1188. # [22:05] <Andre_designer> nullfaith: cms made made simple is a good one http://cmsmadesimple.org and it is relative easy to build templates for
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  1192. # [22:08] <Andre_designer> in principeble your need to know css and html and a litte bit smarty to build templates for it
  1193. # [22:08] <Andre_designer> i use it also
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  1195. # [22:09] <Andre_designer> #cms is the official irc channel
  1196. # [22:10] <Andre_designer> nullfaith: are you there??
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  1202. # [22:17] <Andre_designer> here is a basic tutorial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld4wsEeFnws
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  1206. # [22:18] <Andre_designer> it is a little bit old tutorial but it gives a good impression
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  1208. # [22:21] <dahlfors1> wordpress can be useful for non-blog sites as well. it is pretty simple, once you understand how the themes work
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  1244. # [23:11] <rennat41> Anyone know of a way to record canvas animations?
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  1246. # [23:12] <bencc> is it safe to use mp4 today without a fallback to webm?
  1247. # [23:12] <rennat41> bencc: no
  1248. # [23:13] <rennat41> Not if you want all browsers to be supported
  1249. # [23:13] <bencc> rennat41: what browsers are not supported?
  1250. # [23:13] <bencc> it seems that FF, IE and Chrome supports mp4
  1251. # [23:14] <rennat41> True, but they all have to be updated to the latest versions
  1252. # [23:14] <rennat41> the real problem is with older computers that can no longer update
  1253. # [23:15] <rennat41> http://caniuse.com/#search=mp4
  1254. # [23:15] <rennat41> I guess it really just comes down to what browsers you care about
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  1257. # [23:16] <bencc> rennat41: so IE8, Opera and Chromium are mising
  1258. # [23:16] <bencc> I can live with that :)
  1259. # [23:17] <rennat41> Yeah it's not as bad as I thought!
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  1286. # [23:46] <Siecje> How can you make a website that downloads a dynamic csv file and display it?
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  1288. # [23:49] <rennat41> siecje: where would the csv file be from? another server or a local file that gets uploaded?
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  1293. # [23:54] <Siecje> rennat41: another site/service
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  1297. # [23:57] <rennat41> The most obvious way to do it, is just to link directly to the file on their server
  1298. # [23:58] <rennat41> I'm sure that isn't what you want thought
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