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  59. # [01:14] <OODavo> Is there a way to make a <footer> "sticky" in CSS3 without having to add non-semantic wrapper <div>s to the HTML? My <body> structure is currently <header /><ol id="posts" /><footer /> and I'd prefer to keep it that way if possible.
  60. # [01:14] <tandroid> So you want to make it position: fixed?
  61. # [01:15] <OODavo> Nope, that'd be easy. Sticky footers affix to the bottom of the viewport *if* the page height is smaller than the viewport height, and otherwise affix to the bottom of the page.
  62. # [01:16] <OODavo> Example: http://www.cssstickyfooter.com/
  63. # [01:17] <OODavo> That one requires a wrapper <div> though.
  64. # [01:17] <OODavo> And for the footer to have a fixed height, which is also pretty inconvenient.
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  66. # [01:18] <tandroid> Why does it need to be a div?
  67. # [01:18] <tandroid> a footer could act the same as a div
  68. # [01:18] <OODavo> It doesn't, but it needs you to put a wrapper element of some kind around all the non-footer parts of your content.
  69. # [01:19] <OODavo> Like <div><header /><ol id="posts" /></div><footer /> which obviously isn't very semantic.
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  71. # [01:20] <tandroid> I just don't get why you couldn't switch the div and header/footer though.
  72. # [01:21] <tandroid> It's not like the css would care
  73. # [01:21] <OODavo> Well, that <div> isn't a header or footer. It's wrapping the <header> and the <ol id="posts">.
  74. # [01:21] <OODavo> I could make it some other tag, but whatever tag it is, it still has no real meaning beyond styling.
  75. # [01:21] <tandroid> Oh I think I get what you're saying.
  76. # [01:22] <tandroid> Well you should have a wrapper div around everything anyway.
  77. # [01:23] <tandroid> Oh but it is ugly to leave the footer out of the wrapper
  78. # [01:23] <tandroid> I'm slowly understanding this :)
  79. # [01:23] <OODavo> I kinda think it's ugly to have a wrapper <div> at all? What is such a <div> supposed to *mean*?
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  81. # [01:24] <tandroid> It specifies the container of the area you plan to put content. It's common practice and helps avoid a lot of issues.
  82. # [01:25] <tandroid> It's okay to use divs.
  83. # [01:25] <tandroid> They're still around for good reason.
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  85. # [01:26] <OODavo> Hmm, fair enough.
  86. # [01:26] <OODavo> Putting the <footer> outside such a wrapper's still a mess though.
  87. # [01:26] <tandroid> I agree with that.
  88. # [01:27] <tandroid> Personally, I would make a #wrapper and then a #contentArea or something like that
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  129. # [02:29] <AndroidLoverInSF> anyone has an idea how to scrape the price on amazon when it forces you to click on it or add it to your cart before being able to see the price?
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  131. # [02:31] <OODavo> Whoa. So I'm experimenting with flexbox for sticky footers, because both the HTML and CSS look remarkably clean: http://philipwalton.github.io/solved-by-flexbox/demos/sticky-footer/
  132. # [02:31] <OODavo> And it seems to work fine on short pages, where you'd need a sticky footer: http://00davo.tumblr.com/post/74560015283/look-left
  133. # [02:32] <OODavo> But on longer pages, it's leaving *way* more vertical space than the content area needs: http://00davo.tumblr.com/
  134. # [02:32] <OODavo> Any ideas?
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  145. # [02:44] <SGen> Whats the proper method for creating a <button> with a hyperlink? Do I just nest a <a> in it?
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  147. # [02:51] <tandroid> Why not just use <a>?
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  163. # [03:11] <flebron> Hi. Is the behavior of a user agent specific when it encouters a nonexistent tag <potato></potato>?
  164. # [03:11] <flebron> *specified
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  167. # [03:22] <tandroid> There are probably more reasons
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  169. # [03:23] <tandroid> oops
  170. # [03:23] <tandroid> Didn't mean to say that here!
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  339. # [08:40] <HauntJemimah> hello, question, does anyone know a good beginner book for HTML5 and CSS3?
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  355. # [08:50] <HauntJemimah> is anyone there?
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  373. # [09:16] <ancisco> you can start with this little course (It's free): https://tutsplus.com/course/30-days-to-learn-html-and-css/
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  452. # [11:28] <draweerr> i cant get this to work on my page
  453. # [11:28] <draweerr> http://jsbin.com/AwOBATAY/5/edit
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  463. # [11:41] <Sem4c> draweerr http://widgets.better2web.com/loader/
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  480. # [12:06] <gnomicc> is it posible to have both a background-image and gradient background-image in a div ?
  481. # [12:06] <gnomicc> http://i.cubeupload.com/ZZ2bYg.jpg
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  597. # [14:29] <pi_> anyone know why a form with 5 inputs lines up perfectly inline with IE11 and is staggered with Chrome?
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  600. # [14:31] <moo-_-> pi_: can you repeat the issue on jsfiddle.net example?
  601. # [14:31] <pi_> i have this 5 times <p><label>text goes here</label><input id="id here" name="name here"></p>
  602. # [14:31] <pi_> let me try
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  604. # [14:33] <pi_> jsfiddle.net shows it properly like IE11
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  608. # [14:37] <digifiv5e> Any recommendations on a mobile website framework? (foundation 5, jqtouch, etc)?
  609. # [14:37] <patsToms> pi_, maybe save it and link it here
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  614. # [14:38] <pi_> new to all of this so not sure what i'm doing exactly. when you say link it you mean like a dropbox link?
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  616. # [14:39] <patsToms> pi_, when you do code at jsfiddle and save it - it gives specific link for it
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  618. # [14:39] <patsToms> you can copy it from adress bar and paste ir here
  619. # [14:39] <pi_> ah ok
  620. # [14:39] <patsToms> to share with us
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  622. # [14:42] <pi_> this is all being done with coder so there are things in the <head> tags I have no clue about. doesn't seem to affect it though.
  623. # [14:42] <pi_> http://jsfiddle.net/k9Dd4/
  624. # [14:42] <pi_> is this it?
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  635. # [14:46] <patsToms> this is how it looks on my chrome http://screencloud.net/img/screenshots/6d674802d815a8f9963e8c90f7261528.png
  636. # [14:47] <pi_> ok great. that's how it should look but that's not what i'm getting in my chrome. downloaded chrome last week
  637. # [14:48] <pi_> some settings maybe?
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  639. # [14:48] <patsToms> maybe show how it looks on your chrome and give chrome version
  640. # [14:49] <pi_> Version 32.0.1700.76 m
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  644. # [14:51] <pi_> don't have screencloud. what's the best way to share a screenshot in irc?
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  648. # [14:52] <gnomicc> http://trykweb.dk/skole/ i used the http://www.cssstickyfooter.com/ guide, but how can i get the #content be all the way down to the bottom of the footer?
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  659. # [15:01] <pi_> patsToms, can you share your Chrome version?
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  662. # [15:03] <patsToms> pi_, 32.0.1700.76 m
  663. # [15:03] <patsToms> seems like the same as yours
  664. # [15:03] <patsToms> maybe check your browsers extensions
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  666. # [15:03] <pi_> ok thanks
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  669. # [15:09] <pi_> not sure what extensions I would need. Seems like a fairly straight forward form
  670. # [15:09] <pi_> only extensions i have are google docs and ripple emulator
  671. # [15:10] <patsToms> sometimes there is random extensions which is brakeing page layout
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  673. # [15:11] <pi_> ok I'll have to check it out. Thanks for sharing the screen shot. At least it's showing up the way I intnded
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  711. # [16:08] <rawtaz> hey guys. i asked this in #web but would like more than one opinion on it, and its html5 so i figure this would be a good place as well. http://grab.by/tRhQ - im not sure what to wrap the left headings with, they are currently <h2> inside <aside> but perhaps theres something better. i was considering <aside><header> and the heading in that, but it seems it's rather expected that <header> contain at least one hX element.
  712. # [16:10] <rawtaz> any suggestions on what you'd mark up those sidebars/widgets with? its the container, the heading and the rest is currently a <form> that i styled
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  716. # [16:12] <rawtaz> since it seems that html5 allows and almost encourages that each part such as aside, section etc has its own "heading tree" perhaps i should just go with an aside->header->h1+form for each of those two sidebar widgets
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  771. # [17:28] <rawtaz> this article cleared it up for me: http://webdesign.tutsplus.com/tutorials/htmlcss-tutorials/the-truth-about-multiple-h1-tags-in-the-html5-era/
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  1029. # [21:50] <gpedro> it's right put nav inside header or is more correct put nav inside body?
  1030. # [21:51] <tandroid> Nav can go anywhere that there is navigation
  1031. # [21:51] <tandroid> often times in the header
  1032. # [21:52] <gpedro> thanks, but in case, top menu.
  1033. # [21:52] <gpedro> top menu: [LOGO] (ITEM1)(ITEM2)(ITEM3)
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  1035. # [21:52] <tandroid> That could very well be a header
  1036. # [21:52] <gpedro> which is more correct?
  1037. # [21:53] <tandroid> If you had to categorize it, would you say it's a header?
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  1040. # [21:55] <gpedro> idk, navigation is + correct
  1041. # [21:55] <tandroid> ?
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  1044. # [21:56] <tandroid> Do you have an example of what you're working with?
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  1046. # [21:57] <tandroid> Nav's are usually in the header
  1047. # [21:57] <tandroid> If that's what you're asking
  1048. # [21:57] <tandroid> Not to be confused with <head> tags
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  1052. # [22:01] <tandroid> gpedro: This is pretty standard markup. http://pastebin.com/3z4jsVL3
  1053. # [22:03] <gpedro> so i can use <nav> inside <header>. that's right.
  1054. # [22:03] <tandroid> Indeed
  1055. # [22:03] <gpedro> http://i.imgur.com/46OGVfL.png
  1056. # [22:04] <gpedro> that's what I'm trying to do
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  1058. # [22:05] <tandroid> so it would go header > img.logo + nav
  1059. # [22:05] <tandroid> using css selector notation
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  1062. # [22:06] <gpedro> i'm trying make this into bootstrap3
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  1064. # [22:06] <gpedro> that is problem!
  1065. # [22:07] <tandroid> Why is that a problem?
  1066. # [22:09] <gpedro> i need some fixes to align the elements.
  1067. # [22:09] <gpedro> vertical-align:middle, display:table-cell, sometimes not work...
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  1070. # [22:10] <gpedro> i try again later.
  1071. # [22:10] <gpedro> thanks for help @tandroid.
  1072. # [22:10] <tandroid> gpedro: no problem, good luck
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  1080. # [22:16] <gpedro> tandroid, why i need put img.logo inside header and not inside nav
  1081. # [22:16] <gpedro> ?
  1082. # [22:18] <tandroid> It could go in nav if it's a link
  1083. # [22:18] <tandroid> if it aids in navigation…
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  1086. # [22:19] <gpedro> hum.....
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  1150. # [23:30] <HauntJemimah> hey I got a question, what's a good book for self study for HTML5 and CSS3?
  1151. # [23:31] <HauntJemimah> Been having fun with tutorials so far on YouTube, but I figured I would at least look into some reference materials just in case, just building my band's website for fun
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  1153. # [23:37] <HauntJemimah> is anyone there?
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  1158. # [23:40] <holodoc> HauntJemimah: Books get obsolete pretty fast.
  1159. # [23:40] <HauntJemimah> gotcha
  1160. # [23:40] <HauntJemimah> what are some good resources then?
  1161. # [23:41] <holodoc> HauntJemimah: Especially with stuff that changes so fast like HTML5
  1162. # [23:41] <HauntJemimah> I'm using a series of HTML5 and CSS3 tutorials but I would want some reference
  1163. # [23:41] <holodoc> HauntJemimah: What level? Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced?
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  1165. # [23:41] <HauntJemimah> beginner
  1166. # [23:41] <HauntJemimah> I do program a bit in Python in the beginner level
  1167. # [23:42] <HauntJemimah> just putting that out there
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  1169. # [23:42] <holodoc> HauntJemimah: IMHO best place to start is https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/
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  1171. # [23:42] <holodoc> HauntJemimah: You'll find a huge amount of resources to follow there.
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  1173. # [23:43] <HauntJemimah> I got disconnected again
  1174. # [23:43] <HauntJemimah> this keeps happening idk why
  1175. # [23:43] <HauntJemimah> could you post your link again
  1176. # [23:43] <HauntJemimah> sorry
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  1178. # [23:43] <holodoc> HauntJemimah: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/
  1179. # [23:43] <HauntJemimah> Thanks man
  1180. # [23:43] <HauntJemimah> hey just as an aside
  1181. # [23:43] <HauntJemimah> after HTML 5 and CSS3
  1182. # [23:44] <HauntJemimah> should I go to Javascript
  1183. # [23:44] <HauntJemimah> and then PHP?
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  1185. # [23:44] <holodoc> HauntJemimah: No one can answer that question for you. Best way you can find out what suits you is to actually try everything you can by yourself.
  1186. # [23:45] <HauntJemimah> kk
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