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  42. # [00:54] <powrsurg> I'm experimenting with appcache for the first time. I undertsand that changes I require me to update the manifest file and then I'd need to refresh twice for browsers to notice it ... Chrome seems to be obeying that fine. But Firefox doesn't seem to ever notice the manifest file was updated. Suggestions?
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  347. # [06:34] <Hilton> Hiya! I have a page with various <input> elements (no <form>). These are used for in-place editing in a data list. The inputs are accompanied by "Save" and "Cancel" links handled by Javascript (save via AJAX). Is there a simple way to make [ENTER] use the "Save" link automatically, like it would if it were a Submit button, or do I need to bind ENTER in Javascript? I see I can make <button>...
  348. # [06:34] <Hilton> ...pretend it's a Submit button, but I don't want a button.
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  361. # [06:55] <filR> without using the submit (and form) mechanism, you will need javascript to have that functionality. basically you listen to every keypress on any of the input elements. if it's the enter key (keycode 13), then $('.save-element').click()
  362. # [06:55] <filR> it's not a pretty solution, but it works.
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  372. # [07:25] <Hilton> I figured I'd have to do something like that.
  373. # [07:25] <Hilton> I just thought I'd check if I wasn't missing something - it looks like <button> can maybe be set up to do that by linking the elements, but would take some major styling to make it look like text.
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  437. # [08:55] <Hilton> WHAT'S GOOD ABOUT IT?
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  509. # [09:39] <ShotokanZH> hi everyone
  510. # [09:39] <ShotokanZH> i can't get how to use <keygen> tag on html5
  511. # [09:40] <ShotokanZH> how do i get the private key??
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  529. # [10:06] <gilead> hi! I'm slightly confused about the state of the local storage. I need to save assets for a game I'm attempting to port to WebGL locally (so no user prompts / drag&drop, which rules File API out).
  530. # [10:06] <gilead> From what I understand Filesystem API is blink/webkit-only at the moment. IndexedDB is supported by everything except Safari which supports WebSQL which should be usable with https://github.com/axemclion/IndexedDBShim; problem is, Chrome doesn't support blobs in IndexedDB.
  531. # [10:06] <gilead> summarising: there seems to be no cross-browser solution for this
  532. # [10:06] <moo-_-> gilead: are you editing assets locally?
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  534. # [10:06] <moo-_-> if you only need to cache them then there is HTTP caching headers and appCache + manifest
  535. # [10:06] <moo-_-> localStorage etc. can only contain 5 MB
  536. # [10:06] <gilead> looks like I need two backends: FileSystem API for Chrome and IndexedDB for the rest (with the polyfill for Safari)
  537. # [10:07] <gilead> moo-_-: editing? not for assets -- there will be a need for save games but that's text data so Indexed DB is good enough for that
  538. # [10:08] <gilead> I'll need to save/delete/add new entries but once stored they'd be immutable
  539. # [10:08] <moo-_-> gilead: just use HTTP cache
  540. # [10:09] <gilead> yes, the assets will be more than 5MB so local cache is probably not good for that (and IIRC it's text-only so I'd need to serialise blobs)
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  542. # [10:09] <gilead> HTTP cache as in 'fetch resource and hope the browser caches is locally'?\
  543. # [10:11] <gilead> or localStorage.key = value ?
  544. # [10:13] <gilead> moo-_-: if you mean the former it'll depend on the user settings for the local cache and not everything may be cached at all (or partially wiped after session close) which will prompt a redownload from the server which is not good.
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  548. # [10:15] <moo-_-> gilead: use manifest then
  549. # [10:16] <moo-_-> gilead: however you will never control 100% what stays on the user hd
  550. # [10:16] <moo-_-> that's how web browsers work
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  552. # [10:16] <moo-_-> if you want make sure all assets are never redownloaded deploy an Chrome store app
  553. # [10:16] <moo-_-> or similar
  554. # [10:16] <gilead> true. what kind of manifest do you mean?
  555. # [10:16] * gilead just found Filesystem-over-IndexedDb polyfill at https://github.com/ebidel/idb.filesystem.js
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  559. # [10:18] <gilead> ah, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cache_manifest_in_HTML5
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  561. # [10:18] <gilead> thanks moo-_-
  562. # [10:20] <moo-_-> gilead: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/HTML/Using_the_application_cache
  563. # [10:20] <moo-_-> d.mozilla.org is the best source usually :)
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  567. # [10:33] <moo-_-> nice
  568. # [10:33] <moo-_-> http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13970_7-57619358-78/mozillas-$25-firefox-os-its-real-and-it-works/
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  717. # [13:07] <Dwight_Stegall> how do i get say a local weather forecast to show up on my own page? is there a script that can do that
  718. # [13:08] <moo-_-> Dwight_Stegall: this question is not really a specific to HTML5 technologies, but more like a general web development question
  719. # [13:08] <moo-_-> but as far as I believe both Yahoo and Google have "weather widgets" you can install
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  721. # [13:09] <Dwight_Stegall> i knew that but i figured you could point me ib the right direction
  722. # [13:10] <Dwight_Stegall> i don't want widgets. i want the text to show up on my page
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  725. # [13:11] <Dwight_Stegall> http://dwightstegall.com/qcweather.shtml here is the page i want it on
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  727. # [13:13] <Dwight_Stegall> thanks for nothing.
  728. # [13:13] <moo-_-> Dwight_Stegall: it is very unlikely that a weather data provider would allow such thing without a cost
  729. # [13:13] <moo-_-> Dwight_Stegall: if you have some local government sponsored weather data provider then you might get lucky
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  750. # [13:43] <TerranceWarrior> where is the room for canvas?
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  752. # [13:47] <moo-_-> TerranceWarrior: I guess this might be one, as there is not <canvas> specific chat channel as far as I know
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  886. # [15:16] <TerranceWarrior> 3~
  887. # [15:16] <TerranceWarrior> not one person talking for 2 hours?
  888. # [15:16] <fn> have to do some stuff
  889. # [15:17] <fn> for new sports blog
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  892. # [15:20] <TerranceWarrior> see ya!
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  1424. # [20:20] <gp> I have a html5 page that is designed to be inserted into other pages with an iframe. Once the user submits the form on the page I display a thank you page. How can I go about preventing the user from going back in the iframe's history to prevent duplicate submissions once they arrive at the thank you page?
  1425. # [20:20] <moo-_-> gp: set a hidden input which contains unique key
  1426. # [20:21] <moo-_-> and if the same unique key is posted twice, give the error on the second submissin "you posted already"
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  1433. # [20:23] <gp> Is there anything I can do client side? The duplicate submission is acceptable for the application but it requires them to refill the forms which could take awhile if they are slow typers. I am more worried about making it look nice and convienient for the user. So they don't accidentally click back in the iframe (for example my mouse has a back button) and then think they didn't submit the form
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  1436. # [20:24] <gp> The application handles back buttons okay. But once the data is submitted for the final step hitting the back button would bring the user to the start of the entry process with blank forms
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  1441. # [20:27] <gp> I figured it would be better to offer an explict "submit another one" button on the page to eliminate any confusion
  1442. # [20:28] <gp> Like in gmail if you try to leave by accident in certain situations it warns you before leaving
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  1500. # [21:17] <glaksmono_> anyone had been using <audio> tag to get around audio on Android webview?
  1501. # [21:17] <glaksmono_> i'm wondering if there's some tips/tricks that you guys can share would be nice
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  1513. # [21:32] <patsToms> can you use some android feature to play audio?
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  1545. # [21:55] <glaksmono_> anyone had been using <audio> tag to get around audio on Android webview?
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  1549. # [22:00] <glaksmono_> anyone had been using <audio> tag to get around audio on Android webview?
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  1587. # [22:44] <glaksmono> anyone is aorund?
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  1594. # [22:48] <Jayflux> glaksmono, no
  1595. # [22:51] <glaksmono> ouch Jayflux
  1596. # [22:51] <glaksmono> wondering if anyone is using sfx audio library to play sound on android..
  1597. # [22:51] <Jayflux> glaksmono, try #web if no one answers here
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