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# Session Start: Tue Apr 01 00:00:00 2014
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# [00:55] <jkhl> should <script> tags that are run at the end of the page be before </body>? before </html>?
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# [00:55] <doctrv> jkhl: before </body>, normally
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# [00:56] <jkhl> ok, seems unsemantic
# [00:56] <doctrv> jkhl: why do you say that?
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# [00:57] <jkhl> because its not html
# [00:57] <zeph_> jkhl: doesn't matter much, but you may want to wrap the javascript in document ready or whatnot events
# [00:57] <zeph_> jkhl: to control when it is run, otherwise it runs inline
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# [00:58] <zeph_> jkhl: i'd put it at the end of page, after </html> so that the whole page can render without trying to execute any client-side javascript
# [00:58] <doctrv> jkhl: true, but by that logic you could say it doesn't belong anywhere in an HTML document
# [00:58] <jkhl> i see the reasoning
# [00:58] <doctrv> and technically speaking, the <script> tag is HTML
# [00:58] <jkhl> the script tags themselves are html
# [00:59] <jkhl> yeah
# [00:59] <jkhl> thanks guys
# [01:00] <doctrv> and zeph_, some browsers won't read anything outside of the </html> tags, and that's not allowed per specs
# [01:00] <doctrv> jkhl: yea no problem!
# [01:00] <jkhl> ah ok
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# [01:01] <zeph_> doctrv: yea totally right, before </body> tag the way to go
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# [07:14] <dopie> Hello all
# [07:15] <tandroid> Oh hey!
# [07:15] <dopie> tandroid,
# [07:15] <dopie> bahaha
# [07:15] <dopie> tandroid, :
# [07:19] <tandroid> dopie, you could also try #web
# [07:19] <tandroid> probably a better bet
# [07:22] <Elvano> or #xml perhaps?
# [07:23] <dopie> Elvano, http://codepen.io/anon/pen/dlwBJ/
# [07:23] <dopie> how to make that html valid
# [07:24] <dopie> :)
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# [07:24] <Elvano> I have no idea (I'm too lazy to enable my javascript)
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# [15:23] <abishek> is there a way to find out if an image can be colorized on a canvas or not? I know only png's can be colorized, but not all png can be colorized. This is http://postimg.org/image/uyvzkzxjj/ a png image and I cannot colorize this on a canvas
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# [16:31] <dopie> Hey all is this the correct usage of microdata?
# [16:31] <dopie> http://jsfiddle.net/hQz24/
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# [16:33] <dopie> http://jsfiddle.net/hQz24/ is this the correct usage of microdata?
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# [20:03] <wfx> does html5 allow pseudo attr?
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# [20:05] <doctrv> what do you mean by psuedo attributes?
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# [20:11] <wfx> <article whatever="havefun">....
# [20:12] <doctrv> oh, kinda. There's microfomats and data-* attributes for storing data inside tags like that
# [20:12] <wfx> so <article data-whatever="great"> is right?
# [20:14] <doctrv> yea thats correct
# [20:14] <wfx> thx alot.
# [20:14] <doctrv> yep no problem
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# [20:20] <hober> wfx: if you're building a library please use the data-libname-*="" naming scheme
# [20:21] <wfx> hober: i understand, ok.
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# [21:53] <Brycetron> Hello will someone check out my sioote please
# [21:53] <Brycetron> I just started coding, and am a newbie
# [21:53] <Brycetron> or a junior.
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# [21:55] <tandroid> Brycetron: Just post the code, if somebody can help you they will.
# [21:55] <tandroid> or the site.
# [21:56] <Brycetron> android may i PM you?
# [21:56] <Brycetron> I just want it private since hte site kinda sucks
# [21:56] <Brycetron> i made the site today
# [21:56] <tandroid> sure
# [21:56] <doctrv> then how is everyone else gonna help you?
# [21:57] <tandroid> Good point, we won't be judging your skill level.
# [21:57] <Brycetron> okay
# [21:57] <Brycetron> www.michaelmconahan.co.nf
# [21:57] <Brycetron> i made it in a few hours
# [21:57] <Brycetron> one who is experienced it would take 30 minutes
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# [21:57] <tandroid> And plus you have nothing to worry about, it looks fine so far
# [21:57] <Brycetron> Is it chill?
# [21:57] <Brycetron> I appreciate the positive feedback android.
# [21:57] <Brycetron> :)
# [21:58] <tandroid> Brycetron: My main suggestion would be to float all of your elements left rather than trying to do left center right
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# [21:58] <tandroid> It will do the same thing, but keep the markup more readable.
# [21:58] <Brycetron> how come all left?
# [21:59] <Brycetron> oo
# [21:59] <Brycetron> what do you mean by markup/
# [21:59] <tandroid> markup as in the html
# [21:59] <Brycetron> That's probably why it took me so long
# [21:59] <Brycetron> because I was taking too much time for each one
# [21:59] <Brycetron> too much detail
# [21:59] <tandroid> Think of float as what the word implies. floating something so that if it doesn't have enough space, it overflows
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# [21:59] <Brycetron> so instead of float: center
# [21:59] <Brycetron> float: right
# [22:00] <Brycetron> float: left, what would you suggest?
# [22:00] <doctrv> Brycetron: yea it's not a bad site at all
# [22:00] <Brycetron> float:left for all of them, then do what?
# [22:00] <Brycetron> Thanks doctrv.
# [22:00] <Brycetron> ! :D
# [22:00] <moo-_-> Brycetron: <center> should do it
# [22:00] <tandroid> So you want them to all have the same flow so that, for example, if the site is small, they can align vertically
# [22:00] <tandroid> moo-_-: <center> for what?
# [22:00] <tandroid> Brycetron: Use float left
# [22:01] <doctrv> moo-_-: uhh, no
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# [22:01] <doctrv> <center> doesn't exist anymore
# [22:01] <tandroid> yeah definitely don't use that
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# [22:01] <moo-_-> doctrv: no no. Facebook readded it after they bought HTML5.
# [22:01] <doctrv> moo-_-: now's not the time for that
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# [22:02] <Brycetron> okay android haha, so if i float: left, i just mess around with the margins?
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# [22:02] <Brycetron> and center them that way?
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# [22:02] <tandroid> just use percentages like you're doing. all of the percentages should add up to 100% in the end
# [22:03] <doctrv> Brycetron: protip: there's a website that checks your HTML for you and tells you what you did wrong
# [22:03] <doctrv> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=www.michaelmconahan.co.nf
# [22:04] <Brycetron> I see okay, thanks android
# [22:04] <tandroid> Brycetron: Also, are you using your browsers developer tools?
# [22:04] <Brycetron> Thank you doc.
# [22:04] <Brycetron> No i'm not i don't think
# [22:04] <Brycetron> You mean like jquery etc?
# [22:04] <Brycetron> or googles deveoloper tools?
# [22:04] <Brycetron> I made this from scratch becaiuse i'm trying to get a job one day programming
# [22:04] <Brycetron> i know i can't cheat
# [22:04] <doctrv> what browser do you use?
# [22:05] <Brycetron> chrome
# [22:05] <tandroid> right click and "inspect element"
# [22:06] <tandroid> it will pull up the developer tools and help you out a lot
# [22:06] <Brycetron> how do they help one out a lot?
# [22:06] <tandroid> You can see all of the elements and edit the css live within the browser
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# [22:06] <tandroid> It's an essential tool really
# [22:06] <Brycetron> you're kidding
# [22:06] <Brycetron> you can edit it live?
# [22:06] <doctrv> yup
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# [22:07] <Brycetron> Holy moly
# [22:07] <Brycetron> that is epic.
# [22:07] <Brycetron> wow!
# [22:07] <doctrv> haha it's an awesome tool
# [22:07] <tandroid> So if you hover over your left element, you'll notice that your margin is too big.
# [22:07] <Brycetron> So will this save the website how it is
# [22:08] <tandroid> that kind of stuff you wouldn't have known otherwise!
# [22:08] <Brycetron> what if you aren't the developer of the site?
# [22:08] <tandroid> No it doesnt save, but you can copy and paste the code
# [22:08] <Brycetron> Omfg
# [22:08] <Brycetron> that is ridiculous!
# [22:08] <tandroid> you can do it on any site
# [22:08] <Brycetron> Incredible so i don't have to change code, save change code, save
# [22:08] <Brycetron> rofl sooooo cooool ty!
# [22:09] <doctrv> yea, its cool to see what other developers do sometimes
# [22:09] <Brycetron> so you can see anyones websites code?
# [22:09] <Brycetron> can't you make your code private?
# [22:09] <tandroid> And fix websites that don't work the way you want them to :)
# [22:09] <doctrv> nope, its an "open web"
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# [22:09] <Brycetron> Also, can you see peoples scripts too if they are under script.js
# [22:09] <Brycetron> or a diff js file
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# [22:09] <doctrv> everyone can see everyone else's HTML and CSS
# [22:09] <Brycetron> where would i change the html file
# [22:10] <Brycetron> oh but not java?
# [22:10] <tandroid> and js
# [22:10] <Brycetron> amazing
# [22:10] <tandroid> Brycetron: Java and Javascript are very different things
# [22:10] <Brycetron> i know i don't know the diff yet
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# [22:10] <Brycetron> but my buddy told me this
# [22:10] <Brycetron> lol
# [22:10] <tandroid> That's alright
# [22:10] <Brycetron> for sure
# [22:10] <Brycetron> ty for correcting me
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# [22:11] <Brycetron> Android I can see what you mean by my left div
# [22:11] <Brycetron> How do i change it though?
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# [22:11] <Brycetron> Without affecting the overall outcome
# [22:11] <Brycetron> that we see.
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# [22:12] <Brycetron> It says it's just the margin, wow this is like playing a video game now lol
# [22:12] <Brycetron> developer tools, just wow
# [22:13] <Brycetron> i'll stop talking now lol
# [22:13] <doctrv> heh stop talking and start playing with your new toy :p
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# [22:14] <Brycetron> I have work in a little while
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# [22:14] <Brycetron> Do you have any suggestions Doc on my site?
# [22:14] <tandroid> Haha, I meant when you hover over the div with your mouse it shows the margin on the right
# [22:14] <Brycetron> I was told earlier to make ap lain site, don't mess with javascript yet
# [22:14] <Brycetron> Because I am not there yet
# [22:15] <Brycetron> Android, I know, it looks ugly too, but i don't know how to change that =/
# [22:15] <Brycetron> I will leave it for now.
# [22:15] <tandroid> Just click on it and edit the css on the right panel
# [22:15] <Brycetron> But if i mess with css, it'll be a pain in teh ass to get it perfect again don't you think?
# [22:15] <doctrv> Brycetron: did you click the link i gave you?
# [22:16] <Brycetron> Yes I do have it on my favorites now.
# [22:17] <tandroid> Brycetron: No, just copy and paste the css once you get it right
# [22:17] <doctrv> good. I would start by fixing those errors. They're pretty minor, but it ensures that some browsers don't read your site incorrectly
# [22:18] <Brycetron> so if i change those errors, my site will look the same? but it will look good for every1?
# [22:18] <tandroid> and if you mess it up in the browser, just refresh and you're back to where you started
# [22:18] <doctrv> yea, exactly
# [22:18] <Brycetron> Wait what errors are there?
# [22:18] <Brycetron> I'm looking at the link you provided, but I don't see what I should change?
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# [22:18] <Brycetron> Is it simple?
# [22:19] <doctrv> do you see where it says 4 errors, 3 warnings near the top?
# [22:19] <Brycetron> I am confused on what I need to change.
# [22:19] <Brycetron> Let me check.
# [22:19] <Brycetron> Yes.
# [22:19] <Brycetron> I see it.
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# [22:20] <doctrv> scroll down to where it says validation output: 4 error
# [22:20] <doctrv> *errors
# [22:20] <Brycetron> I see em.
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# [22:20] <doctrv> those are the problems with your site currently
# [22:20] <Brycetron> The character encoding was not declared. Proceeding using windows-1252. <-- huh?
# [22:21] <Brycetron> It says that my textcss was incorrect?
# [22:21] <Brycetron> what do those mean
# [22:21] <Brycetron> ?
# [22:21] <doctrv> all pages need to specify what encoding they are in
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# [22:21] <doctrv> the most common one is utf-8 encoding
# [22:21] <tandroid> <meta charset="UTF-8">
# [22:21] <tandroid> is usually what that looks like
# [22:22] <Brycetron> Okay so it says my title must not be empty
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# [22:22] <Brycetron> that's an easy one lol
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# [22:22] <doctrv> that meta tag tandroid gave, put that just after your <head>
# [22:23] <doctrv> that declares the encoding of the page to the browser
# [22:23] <Brycetron> okay, what does that mean?
# [22:23] <Brycetron> decalres the encoding of the page?
# [22:23] <Brycetron> The website works already for you and i?
# [22:23] <doctrv> it wont for asian countries though
# [22:23] <Brycetron> Oh okay.
# [22:23] <Brycetron> Ty.
# [22:24] <Brycetron> so all i put is <meta charset="UTF-8"> right after my head?
# [22:24] <doctrv> they have a different encoding, becuase they use different letters (or glyphs)
# [22:24] <doctrv> yep
# [22:24] <Brycetron> cool.
# [22:25] <Brycetron> cool cooL!
# [22:25] <Brycetron> And then last but not least, it says </br>
# [22:26] <doctrv> its just <br>
# [22:26] <Brycetron> oh XD
# [22:26] <Brycetron> Ty
# [22:26] <doctrv> no closing slash needed
# [22:26] <Brycetron> awesome!
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# [22:26] <Brycetron> Thanks doc and android!
# [22:26] <doctrv> yea no problem
# [22:26] <Brycetron> Do you guys know how to add a page to your site
# [22:26] <Brycetron> I just create another html.index file?
# [22:26] <Brycetron> like html1.index?
# [22:26] <Brycetron> in the ftp?
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# [22:27] <doctrv> yea, you can create a folder like 'about' and put an index.html page in there
# [22:27] <doctrv> then people can go to http://www.michaelmconahan.co.nf/about
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# [22:28] <doctrv> and read about who you are
# [22:28] <Brycetron> awesome..
# [22:28] <Brycetron> What do companies look for exactly when you show them a portfolio page
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# [22:28] <Brycetron> They are looking for javascript obviously, but like what stuff should javascript do?
# [22:28] <Brycetron> I know I have a long way.... looong way
# [22:28] <Brycetron> Until my site is cool.
# [22:28] <Brycetron> I think it's cool , but i know it's not that cool compared to others.
# [22:29] <Brycetron> i am trying my best no doubt though.
# [22:29] <Brycetron> and you guys are helping me big time, thank you
# [22:29] <doctrv> depends on the company. Not all look for javascript, some look for how good it's coded, some look for other work youve done
# [22:29] <Brycetron> my mom makes costume jeweerly
# [22:29] <doctrv> http://codecademy.com
# [22:29] <Brycetron> and i plan to make her a website
# [22:30] <doctrv> ^awesome tutorial
# [22:30] <Brycetron> I finished, javascript, html/ css, php, and jqueryo n codecadmey
# [22:30] <Brycetron> 100%
# [22:30] <doctrv> oh, nice
# [22:30] <Brycetron> now it's just learning how to use it lol.
# [22:30] <Brycetron> anyone can learn the languages.
# [22:30] <doctrv> yup, now it's the real world
# [22:30] <Brycetron> yeah, so i'm trying my best to keep moving forward
# [22:31] <Brycetron> and the more i learn the more i can add to my site, the more i learn? lol..
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# [22:31] <doctrv> yea, that's one way of looking at it
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# [22:31] <Brycetron> i want a groovy site fo sho.
# [22:32] <Brycetron> if i can get an internship, i can learn more than i ever could on my own i feel like..
# [22:32] <doctrv> http://designfridge.co.uk <-- good inspiration for groovy sites
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# [22:33] <Brycetron> i want to start using jquery so bad, but i need to make a basis of a site first.
# [22:33] <Brycetron> then the fun will start.
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# [22:36] <tandroid> uggh, my computer just crashed.
# [22:36] <Brycetron> After my site, i want to make my mom a site (to build onto my portfolio)
# [22:36] <Brycetron> WElcome back Tandroid
# [22:37] <tandroid> thanks Brycetron
# [22:37] <doctrv> tandroid: april fools, you're computer isn't as stable as you thought it was
# [22:37] <doctrv> *your
# [22:38] <tandroid> haha seriously. that hasn't happened in a long time
# [22:38] <doctrv> yea Brycetron, family and friends are great ways to build up a portfolio
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The end :)