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# [07:00] <JoeRoxor> hey
# [07:01] <JoeRoxor> i'm trying to display an ASCII art piece on my site but I can't figure out the font-family in the css stylesheet to allow the characters in the piece
# [07:01] <JoeRoxor> i've tried <pre></pre> but it's still showing an incorrect font
# [07:02] <JoeRoxor> right now i've got the body set with font-family: Helvetica, Geneva, Arial, Sans-Regular, sans-serif, OpenType, TrueType, Times New Roman, Courier New, Arial, Microsoft Sans Serif, Tahoma;
# [07:03] <JoeRoxor> im still pretty new at this and can't seem to find my error
# [07:08] <dhaber> JoeRoxor: I'm not sure, but I'd stick with fixed-with.. Maybe font-family monospace, or the consolas font?
# [07:09] <dhaber> If you can find other sites with similar ascii art showing, you can see what they use too.
# [07:11] <JoeRoxor> hmm ill try those thank you
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# [07:18] <JoeRoxor> i figured it out, my notepad++ was encoding in UTF-8 without BOM, switching to just UTF-8 fixed the problem
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# [10:29] <MillionEuroSE> anybody know what is it? <meta property="og:locale" content="en_US" />
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# [10:33] <mstalfoort> MillionEuroSE, that's facebook opengraph, see https://developers.facebook.com/docs/opengraph/guides/internationalization/
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# [10:36] <MillionEuroSE> mstalfoort, should I use another language every time when language of website is changed?
# [10:37] <mstalfoort> atm not really sure what's recommended, but from my point of view I would do that
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# [11:01] <W1LF> hi guys
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# [11:15] <W1LF> anyone know bootstrap or foundation here?
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# [12:01] <zap0> what event fires for <video> when it loops?
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# [12:12] <xec> zap0: "ended" probably
# [12:13] <zap0> thanks
# [12:13] <xec> of course, that would trigger without looping too
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# [13:13] <tcarlsen> any1 know ehy IE wont read a souce tag inside a video tag?
# [13:13] <tcarlsen> why*
# [13:13] <tcarlsen> <video src="path/to/video.mp4"> <<<<< working
# [13:14] <tcarlsen> <video><source src="path/to/video.mp4"></video> <<<<< not working
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# [14:37] <axilla> tcarlsen: do you have the correct content type selected?
# [14:37] <axilla> try adding type= to your source
# [14:38] <axilla> i believe IE needs the correct content-type in the header
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# [14:39] <axilla> <source src="foo" type='video/x-m4v'>
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# [14:40] <axilla> without the video content type in your source tag IE sees it as text and not a video
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# [14:40] <axilla> its not smart enough to look at the extension like chrome does.
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# [14:54] <tcarlsen> axilla I have type it was just a simple eksample for a better understanding
# [14:54] <tcarlsen> @axilla I have type it was just a simple eksample for a better understanding
# [14:54] <axilla> hmmm
# [14:55] <axilla> not sure then, what version of IE9?
# [14:55] <axilla> err IE
# [14:55] <tcarlsen> now im doing a if ie check and with js setting src to video :P
# [14:55] <tcarlsen> fuck IE
# [14:55] <axilla> yea
# [14:55] <axilla> that's pretty much the answer
# [14:55] <onlty> Interweb Exploder!
# [14:55] <tcarlsen> exatly
# [14:56] <axilla> today is my 2nd day as a full time freelancer :D
# [14:56] <axilla> got laid off on friday never been happier
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# [14:57] <axilla> Dead end job that paid really well but gave me huge headaches and was boring as fuck > something I love that doesn't pay as well, but I have my freedom and already have a decent client list since I've been freelancing on the side to build it up for this moment :)
# [14:57] <axilla> my wife this morning was like, "Man i'm really jelous you're still in your PJ's" as I kissed her goodbye this morning :P
# [14:57] <axilla> i'm having an issue not getting side tracked though
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# [15:01] <tcarlsen> yeah thats the problem
# [15:01] <tcarlsen> oh theres something in the tv
# [15:01] <tcarlsen> go to a coffee house or something that helps alot
# [15:01] <tcarlsen> being in you home evioment just invites to do SHIT
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# [15:03] <axilla> need to setup my office better
# [15:03] <axilla> back to work
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# [19:49] <placidb> could somebody please lend me a hand in spotting what can only be an obvious markup error in the following page? http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fbosman.greyhat.nl%2Ffles-cava-1-lorem-ipsum-dolor-sit-amet-consectetur
# [19:49] <placidb> ( http://bosman.greyhat.nl/fles-cava-1-lorem-ipsum-dolor-sit-amet-consectetur )
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# [19:50] <placidb> I haven't been able to figure it out so far with the validator's output alone
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# [19:54] <doctrv> placidb: on line 379 of your source, you end the tag (that starts on line 368) before you end the that starts on line 372
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# [19:56] <doctrv> placidb: also, as a side note, you shouldn't be using tags at the end of every paragraph
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# [20:09] <placidb> doctrv: thanks. I also just spotted it and fixed it.
# [20:10] <placidb> I'd rather not use s to break up paragraphs, but I need to automate a 'read more' text clipper
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# [20:10] <in_deep_thought> when I see this set of links http://bpaste.net/show/ea5EJtUumz2q3hSyJcLt/ does clicking on one go to the "two-columns" div? And clicking on the other load the "three-columns" div, etc?
# [20:11] <placidb> if I let ckeditor output paragraphs inside s, then I have a hell of a time adding the clipper
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# [20:12] <doctrv> in_deep_thought: no, should be like <a href="#two-columns"> (assuming they are id's)
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# [20:13] <il> how do can I display raw html on a page?
# [20:13] <il> without the browser thinking it is html to render?
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# [20:13] <placidb> doctrv, just fyi, I was also not closing a div properly, but all seems fixed now
# [20:14] <doctrv> placidb: ah, good catch.
# [20:15] <doctrv> il: escape all the entities and wrap it in <pre><code>
# [20:16] <in_deep_thought> doctrv, you can see the whole thing here: http://bpaste.net/show/Sl0zjG1aXTdOBqetMSzn/. Are the three links on top pointing to each of the three different divs below reespectively?
# [20:16] <placidb> il, you may try to use a different MIME type to keep the browser from rendering it as HTML. some browsers will probably ignore the MIME type though and still render the HTML.
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# [20:16] <placidb> doctrv, that would be the preferred method, but I think he needs it to be raw HTML
# [20:17] <il> placidb, yes. doctrv's method did not work
# [20:17] <il> This is for a chrome extension btw
# [20:17] <placidb> using a different MIME type involves some server side scripting though
# [20:17] <placidb> or a change to your webserver config
# [20:18] <doctrv> in_deep_thought: no, you need to edit the href to what I said first for it to work, normally
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# [20:18] <il> placidb, that's the only alternative?
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# [20:18] <doctrv> il: is it just to display the html in a page?
# [20:18] <il> doctrv, Yea, just a snippet
# [20:18] <il> For people to embed
# [20:19] <doctrv> then what i said should work
# [20:19] <placidb> il, I think theoretically it should work by outputting the code as text/plain, but my gut feeling says that some (most?) browsers would do some content-type guessing of their own
# [20:19] <il> Well it didn't
# [20:19] <doctrv> did you escape all the entities
# [20:19] <doctrv> ?
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# [20:19] <in_deep_thought> doctrv, but it does work on the site I am looking at. is that because of the javascript at the very bottom of it? http://bpaste.net/show/t6Tad38jMClPyEz6BhGD/
# [20:19] <il> oi
# [20:19] <placidb> it wouldn't be raw if it was escaped though?
# [20:20] <doctrv> it would look raw to the user
# [20:20] <doctrv> in_deep_thought: yes, the js is doing that
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# [20:21] <placidb> http://greyhat.nl/displayrawhtml/
# [20:21] <il> thanks
# [20:21] <placidb> Chrome seems to play nice
# [20:21] <placidb> il: http://pastebin.com/3e4Mvudp
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# [20:22] <il> placidb, wouldn't content type text plain make the whole page html code?
# [20:22] <placidb> yes
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# [20:22] <il> I am trying to get just a snippet to be raw html, for embedding
# [20:22] <placidb> you could use an iframe for that
# [20:22] <il> dozens of snippets
# [20:22] <placidb> if you *really* need it to be raw
# [20:23] <placidb> otherwise, do what doctrv says
# [20:23] <il> escape entities with php's htmlentities?
# [20:23] <placidb> you can't display raw HTML in an HTML document without the browser rendering it
# [20:24] <placidb> php has a bunch of functions that would escape it so you can display it
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# [20:24] <il> and htmlentities is one of them?
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# [20:25] <placidb> yes
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# [20:25] <placidb> but htmlspecialchars() would work too, it's a little lighter on the cpu
# [20:26] <hober> well, there's always <plaintext>
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# [20:27] <placidb> I'm reading that <plaintext> has been obsolete since HTML2?
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# [20:27] <doctrv> yea, that's been deprecated since HTML2...
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# [20:27] <hober> so?
# [20:27] <placidb> so it probably won't work in every modern browser
# [20:27] <hober> all modern browsers support it, and can't remove that support for compat
# [20:27] <doctrv> so it's not guaranteed to work...
# [20:28] <hober> it works
# [20:28] <hober> in all browsers
# [20:28] <doctrv> it's obsolete
# [20:28] <hober> and will do so forever
# [20:28] <hober> no it's not
# [20:28] <hober> it's just that it using it violates author conformance criteria
# [20:28] <placidb> true
# [20:28] <placidb> but it is deprecated
# [20:28] <doctrv> no, that element does not exist in the HTML5 specification, and is therefore obsolete
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# [20:29] <hober> doctrv: it's in the specification, just not as an author-facing encouraged feature.
# [20:30] <il> plaintext worked...
# [20:30] <doctrv> hober: no, it's in the section marked "must not be used by authors": http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/obsolete.html
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# [20:31] <hober> yeah, like i said, using it violates author conformance criteria
# [20:31] <moo-_-> <plaintext> sounds like from tutorial on w3schools
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# [20:32] <hober> the point i am apparently failing to make is that author conformance criteria have absolutely nothing to do with what browsers are required to support. browsers are required to support <plaintext> forever.
# [20:32] <hober> and the spec reflects that.
# [20:32] <hober> so it's safe to use.
# [20:32] <hober> so use it if it solves your problem.
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# [20:34] <placidb> I agree
# [20:35] <doctrv> well if browsers are required to support it, why make it obsolete?
# [20:35] <placidb> I'm wondering what browsers mdn is talking of though, because all of the browsers I've just seen render it
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# [20:35] <placidb> doctrv, because it is now considered bad practise, but browsers support it because they need to be backwards compatible
# [20:36] <hober> what placidb said
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# [20:36] <doctrv> then why are we telling someone to use bad practices?
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# [20:36] <hober> basically, you can think of the author conformance criteria in the spec as one particular possible configuration for an html linter
# [20:37] <hober> whether or not you want to run that linter over your markup, or use some other linter, the underlying behavior doesn't change
# [20:39] <placidb> doctrv: because I tend not to question people's motives when they ask for help
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# [20:39] <placidb> I'm guessing il had a good reason to require this hack
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# [20:40] <placidb> probably wouldn't ever use it myself
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# [20:40] <doctrv> hober: i see what you mean now
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# [20:40] <hober> doctrv: yay :)
# [20:41] <hober> doctrv: i'm glad i didn't have to resort to argument by authority
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# [20:42] <doctrv> hober: nope, i just needed to understand it correctly :)
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# [20:45] <hober> http://w3cmemes.tumblr.com/post/82212290840/
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# [22:10] <Anaphaxeton> hi
# [22:11] <Anaphaxeton> i am in a situation where i have a stylesheet and some pages containing millions of spans refering to exactly or almost exactly the same styles
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# [22:12] <Anaphaxeton> hand editing works great
# [22:12] <Anaphaxeton> but they are too many
# [22:12] <Anaphaxeton> probably thousands
# [22:13] <Anaphaxeton> i suppose there is no tool with the appropriate fuzzy logic, so i will ask some questions
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# [22:13] <Anaphaxeton> are xml parsing libs good for analyzing html?
# [22:14] <Anaphaxeton> and what the heck can parse a stylesheet properly?
# [22:15] <placidb> you need to be a lot more specific
# [22:15] <placidb> what information do you need to parse and why?
# [22:15] <placidb> also, this seems to be OT already
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# [22:21] <Anaphaxeton> is cleaning up code irrelevant?
# [22:21] <Anaphaxeton> anyway
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# [22:23] <Anaphaxeton> i want to count all styles check them, find the similar ones, create one style after them and link all the html elements that refer to the previous styles, to this new style
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