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- # [01:50] <zoro1971> hi anyone know if i want to design a responsive website with bootstrap framework i must ask the graphic designer to prepare 3-4 designs for different devices or he do the psd only for desktops and the bootstrap has enough classses to take care for the rest ?!!!
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- # [02:54] <bandicoot_> hi
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- # [04:42] <morbidlyobese> So what's new with HTML 5 audio? Any progress? I want to be able to say I'm 100% free from Flash, not "90% free, but 10% Flash still has to be used for the audio".
- # [04:42] <morbidlyobese> IMO, the very basics of a sound output API needs to support volume and panning, and multiply samples being played at once. In this day and age, the number of samples at once should approach infinite.
- # [04:42] <morbidlyobese> Oddly enough, HTML 5 audio has only volume. Not panning or multi-voice. Or at least this was the case 6 months ago. Again: any progress?
- # [04:42] <morbidlyobese> In fact, being the year 2014, I would actually say it's reasonable to expect it to also have all kinds of abilities to transform the sound as it's being played back, in real time.
- # [04:43] <morbidlyobese> Like "underwater effect".
- # [04:43] <morbidlyobese> Or "church effect".
- # [04:43] <morbidlyobese> Without having to record custom samples.
- # [04:44] <bgresham> Audio filters are actually possible today. at least afaik in google chrome
- # [04:45] <bgresham> I've remembered them being avaliable in Google chrome 22
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- # [04:49] <emerson> yea, the Web Audio API has a lot of that stuff
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- # [06:13] <morbidlyobese> What do you mean it's got a lot of that stuff?
- # [06:13] <morbidlyobese> It doesn't even seem to have panning and multi-voice.
- # [06:13] <morbidlyobese> Also, Chrome is spyware from the most evil corporation in the world and is not something I ever want touching my PC. Even so, it's (thank God) not got 100% of the market.
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- # [06:20] <emerson> I believe AudioListener has panning support, and you can create an AudioNode with multiple inputs
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- # [06:42] <morbidlyobese> emerson: But...
- # [06:42] <morbidlyobese> AudioListener? AudioNode?
- # [06:42] <morbidlyobese> First time I hear of them.
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- # [07:10] <bgresham> morbidlyobese: Web Audio is still pretty experimental. The w3c doc is not too terribly difficult to go through if you are interested in doing anything with it: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/audio/raw-file/tip/webaudio/specification.html#BiquadFilterNode
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- # [07:13] <bgresham> morbidlyobese: Here is some sample code I had laying around you can go through if you'd like. Mind that this was developed for Google Chrome >22 because at the time none of the other browsers had support for a lot of what I was doing. http://assets.brittg.com/lnl/beats.html
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- # [07:14] <bgresham> morbidlyobese: If you have any questions please let me know, I'm not an expert at it but i've got a bunch of different projects under my belt regarding playing with the Web Audio API's in Chrome
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- # [07:45] <morbidlyobese> bgresham: Well... I've used the library Sound Manager 2 for years to do audio output, because it's such a nasty, ever-unstable thing.
- # [07:45] <morbidlyobese> It *seems* like one still needs to use its "Flash mode".
- # [07:45] <morbidlyobese> Where it essentially includes a 1x1 pixel hidden Flash application just to play back the sound properly.
- # [07:45] <morbidlyobese> Which is insane on so many levels.
- # [07:46] <morbidlyobese> Forcing Flash to be needed anyway, for one.
- # [07:46] <morbidlyobese> Adding lag.
- # [07:46] <morbidlyobese> But yet, it appears to be the only way to get multi-voice and panning.
- # [07:46] <morbidlyobese> bgresham: I couldn't find Web Audio in caniuse.com.
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- # [07:47] <morbidlyobese> I cann't imagine a game that only can play back 1 sample at once and has no panning.
- # [07:47] <morbidlyobese> *can't
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- # [07:47] <morbidlyobese> In fact, panning is kind of ancient and belonging to the stereo era.
- # [07:47] <morbidlyobese> I'd assume there would be some kind of native 3D sound these days.
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- # [08:10] <bgresham> morbidlyobese: http://caniuse.com/#feat=audio-api
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- # [08:14] <bgresham> Also, Me and a bunch of other developers have written games around the Web audio api. (See http://brittg.com/mw ) It's very fun and powerful to use! I'd just recommend taking a weekend to dive into it and play around with it.
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- # [08:20] <morbidlyobese> Hehe... "a weekend". I need more than that to tie my shoes.
- # [08:21] <morbidlyobese> bgresham: No support at all in IE 11.
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- # [14:38] <Evilsparza> the exact same page with the same downscaled video looks much more smooth on firefox
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- # [15:44] <bgresham> morbidlyobese: Yeah, out of all the browsers i've used web audio in chrome has the most features in it. I think about everything documented in the w3c spec works in chrome. I have not throughly tested out firefox or safari but it will probably not be in IE for some time because of the nature of IE.
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- # [15:55] <morbidlyobese> Dammit.
- # [15:55] <morbidlyobese> I hate this environment, yet it's the only logical place to develop for.
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- # [15:56] <morbidlyobese> I mean, it's incredibly hard to get anyone to even visit a webpage.
- # [15:56] <morbidlyobese> Imagine what it's like to ask them to download and run EXEs.
- # [15:56] <bgresham> morbidlyobese: What is your target audience?
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- # [15:56] <morbidlyobese> "People".
- # [15:57] <morbidlyobese> Also, frankly, I can't see myself ever coding C++ or something again.
- # [15:57] <bgresham> I've gotten about 10k views on one of my html5 games just from mild exposure
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- # [15:58] <morbidlyobese> Great... just what I needed to hear.
- # [15:58] <morbidlyobese> With massive promotion, I get 100 people in a year.
- # [15:58] <morbidlyobese> Well, time to reboot my brain and body (sleep).
- # [15:58] <morbidlyobese> See you tomorrow for further discussions.
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- # [16:17] <octocpp> can kate do tag auto completion for html5, or what is a good html5 editor that can, or what is the best html5 wysiwyg?
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- # [16:24] <emerson> I use Sublime and brackets, both if which I like a lot
- # [16:24] <emerson> *of
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- # [16:31] <octocpp> cool, im going to check out brackets
- # [16:31] <octocpp> I tried out kompozer, but it had no idea what to do with html5 css
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- # [16:33] <octocpp> didnt w3c come out with an editor ?
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- # [16:47] <emerson> I don't think so, I don't know for sure though
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- # [17:50] <octocpp> emerson: dude, you have to check out Aptana
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- # [17:52] <emerson> octocpp: hmm, looks nice
- # [17:52] <emerson> id have to see how well it integrates with my build system though, since it's all set up in sublime rn
- # [17:53] <octocpp> all you need is oracle java rather than openjdk
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- # [17:53] <octocpp> just JRE
- # [17:53] <octocpp> and it will run
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- # [17:53] <octocpp> dont need to install it, just run the aptana binary
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- # [17:54] <emerson> oh, it's written in java?
- # [17:54] <octocpp> something liek that
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- # [17:54] <octocpp> it can help you with ruby on rails jscript and other stuff too i guess
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- # [17:54] <octocpp> the preview seems to render html5 ok too
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- # [17:55] <emerson> meh, java and my system don't get along well
- # [17:55] <octocpp> through it makes more sense to use the actual browser I think
- # [17:55] <octocpp> The part i like is that it has auto complete and a list of options when you type
- # [17:55] <octocpp> emerson: what are you running?
- # [17:56] <emerson> so does sublime and brackets
- # [17:56] <emerson> debian testing
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- # [17:59] <octocpp> ill probably end up back in kate though lol
- # [17:59] <octocpp> maybe not, I like this one so far.
- # [17:59] <octocpp> The thing i really want too is some ide that knows what it is doing to help me get ideas for javascript which I dont really know yet
- # [18:00] <octocpp> Though I imagine even with scripting it is better to just do it by hand to avoid stupid issues i wonder
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- # [18:47] <t4nk834> hi; i'm developping a basic web application where the user could add, remove, edit element
- # [18:47] <t4nk834> element contains fields like name, content, etc.
- # [18:48] <t4nk834> i would like to know if there was some nice to both present the element and make its content editable
- # [18:48] <t4nk834> i was thinking of using contenteditable, but it's kind of pain to use it nicely apparently
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- # [18:49] <t4nk834> and i'm not aware of any methods to make <input> "nice looking"
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- # [18:57] <t4nk834> maybe i should ask in another channel?
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- # [19:06] <iDaniel> t4nk834: use css
- # [19:06] <iDaniel> t4nk834: to style 'em
- # [19:06] <iDaniel> t4nk834: and then contenteditAble
- # [19:07] <iDaniel> t4nk834: try ##css or something like that
- # [19:10] <t4nk834> iDaniel: i'll do; thanks
- # [19:10] <t4nk834> for now, i tried both contenteditable with width: n% which is not very satisfying
- # [19:10] <t4nk834> and some trick with input to remove border and stuff
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- # [19:10] <t4nk834> but as there's no way to autogrow input without js…
- # [19:10] <t4nk834> join #css
- # [19:10] <t4nk834> damn.
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- # [19:10] <t4nk834> (only ChanServ on ##css :p)
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- # [20:38] <marc_v92> Hello.
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- # [20:38] <DominationRealm> could you guys rate my site on a 0-10 scale? http://www.dominationrealm.net/
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- # [20:50] <iDaniel> t4nk834: oh it is #css
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- # [21:20] <t4nk834> curiosguy: yep :p
- # [21:21] <curiosguy> t4nk834: did u get help there?
- # [21:22] <t4nk834> nop, i'll retry later
- # [21:22] <curiosguy> k
- # [21:22] <t4nk834> (un-)fortunately, i have lots of little things to work on :p
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The end :)