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  27. # [00:20] <Guest54907> hello all, I'm measuring web site performance and in one implementation I'm getting high levels of DOM content loaded event (the number performance.timing.domContentLoadedEventEnd - performance.timing.domContentLoadedEventStart, the vertical pink bar at http://www.webpagetest.org/result/140528_P2_10NH/1/details/). Anybody knows what that means? what is the browser doing in that lapsus ? an help is appreciated, Sorry if this is
  28. # [00:20] <Guest54907> not a correct channel to ask this.
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  30. # [00:21] <Guest54907> in an other fix implementation I reduced this and seems to be faster but I wonder what is the meaning of it (tip: has to do without using jQuery(document).ready())..
  31. # [00:22] <Guest54907> I mean: with not using jQuery(document).ready()
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  53. # [00:47] <LLKCKfan> Hello
  54. # [00:47] <LLKCKfan> How can someone who is almost 30 and never had a job get one? I have been applying just to be told I am not what they are looking for (We have reviewed your application for this position and will be proceeding with other candidates at this time.) or they are not hiring.53
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  62. # [01:05] <Roy78> just surfing around the web and viewing source
  63. # [01:06] <Roy78> crazy most notible sites have over 1000 lines of html serving up each page
  64. # [01:06] <Roy78> i just started looking at html5, i did earlier versions html a very long time ago
  65. # [01:07] <Roy78> i guess it's silly to be suprised but remember the days when 200 lines would make your pages lag so bad
  66. # [01:07] <Roy78> lol
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  77. # [01:21] <Roy78> i also think its a bit ironic that w3's website is .asp
  78. # [01:22] <Roy78> love w3 tho
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  82. # [01:23] <David_Bradbury> I don't think the w3 uses asp
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  84. # [01:24] <emerson> yea looks like w3.org is php
  85. # [01:25] <David_Bradbury> Roy78: Unless you're talking about the site that shall not be named
  86. # [01:26] <emerson> which, if you were to name it, would sound something remarkably similar to 'w3schools.com'
  87. # [01:27] <David_Bradbury> Strikingly similar
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  94. # [01:34] <Roy78> i am talking about w3schools
  95. # [01:34] <Roy78> why shall it not be named?
  96. # [01:35] <emerson> Roy78: lot of misinformation
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  98. # [01:35] <emerson> not least of which already got you
  99. # [01:35] <Roy78> really? that sucks i've been reading it all day
  100. # [01:35] <emerson> it's not affiliated with the w3 at all
  101. # [01:35] <Roy78> darn
  102. # [01:35] <David_Bradbury> http://www.w3fools.com/
  103. # [01:35] <Roy78> where can i get better information?
  104. # [01:36] <emerson> developer.mozilla.org
  105. # [01:36] <Roy78> awww man
  106. # [01:36] <emerson> more specifically, https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web
  107. # [01:36] <emerson> for all web technologies
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  109. # [01:37] <Roy78> now i feel like an elderly who sent a nigerian prince money
  110. # [01:38] <emerson> heh, not everything in here is false, but just double check against mdn to see if it's correct
  111. # [01:38] <Roy78> i guess it makes sense, some of the w3schools site was off compared to the html5 and css3 book i bought the other day
  112. # [01:38] <Roy78> thank you for filling me in
  113. # [01:39] <emerson> yea no problem
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  118. # [01:45] <David_Bradbury> Roy78: Also, when in doubt, check the spec! http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/
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  520. # [12:37] <JayB> hello. i want to have a horizontal bar which ive done. but i want to make them animated which i have done. but after that i cant add links through HREF
  521. # [12:38] <JayB> http://pastebin.com/TAsfcAKp
  522. # [12:38] <JayB> http://pastebin.com/57vPmFET
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  552. # [13:52] <FasTTo> Hey guys,
  553. # [13:52] <FasTTo> can anyone tell me what happens when using any kind of local storas
  554. # [13:54] <FasTTo> ey guys,
  555. # [13:54] <FasTTo> can anyone tell me what happens when using any kind of local storage the computer gets restarted? Is the data persistent to that point?
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  622. # [15:38] <Cnthia> FasTTo, still here? local storage is saved within browser's own database (e.g. textfile on your pc) so yes it does persist
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  629. # [15:44] <i42n> hey, I got an icecast mp3 stream and want to play it using an html5 audio element on ios. However it only works on desktop. iOS says cannot play audio file. Any ideas why?
  630. # [15:45] <i42n> I defined the audio element like this https://gist.github.com/i42n/e4794a25d49db06448be
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  632. # [15:47] <i42n> If I access the mp3 url of the stream directly in the browser on ios, it can play it. so no connection or codec problem
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  635. # [15:48] <i42n> found the bug.
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  644. # [15:59] <shwaiil> Hi :)
  645. # [16:01] <shwaiil> Q: I've seen this amazing projects done on html5 canvas and I'm thinking about doing some research too. I know being able to code is not enough, so I'm wondering what Math skills can be handy to express myself ? Anyone experienced with html5 canvas could comment on this, give some hints or advice ? Thank you!
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  654. # [16:24] <FasTTo> Cnthia: Thank you!
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  845. # [21:04] <Siecje> in a <link tag what does the attribute media="all" do?
  846. # [21:07] <BLadwin> Siecje: all defines all types of media that link’s source will apply to
  847. # [21:07] <Siecje> BLadwin: what is an example of a type of media?
  848. # [21:07] <BLadwin> print, screen
  849. # [21:07] <Siecje> oh okay
  850. # [21:07] <BLadwin> Siecje: http://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_link_media.asp
  851. # [21:08] <Siecje> what is the default?
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  853. # [21:08] <BLadwin> i’m not sure off the top of my head, but I would assume that if it’s not specified, ‘all’ would be default behavior
  854. # [21:10] <BLadwin> Siecje: if you’re familiar with media queries, which are used in stylesheets for responsive design, this attribute can take the same parameters - that entire file is then served when only the values specified by media return TRUE
  855. # [21:11] <Siecje> well media="handheld" is not really used is it?
  856. # [21:11] <Pris3rgy__> Can someone assist with splithing table headers?
  857. # [21:11] <BLadwin> EX: media=“screen and (max-width: 34em) or (max-device-width: 900px)”
  858. # [21:11] <BLadwin> Siecje: http://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_link_media.asp read this. all of the accepted values are there
  859. # [21:12] <Pris3rgy__> http://jsfiddle.net/kYwLd/ -> I'd like the "Last" and "Due" to actually be beneate Date, in the same box, so there isn't a row of white space.
  860. # [21:12] <David_Bradbury> Please don't link to w3schools - http://www.w3fools.com/
  861. # [21:12] <Pris3rgy__> But, to be in their own boxes.
  862. # [21:12] <David_Bradbury> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/link
  863. # [21:13] <moo-_-> David_Bradbury: +1
  864. # [21:13] <BLadwin> Siecje: as per David_Bradbury, the much harder to read documentation for link’s media attr http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/media.html
  865. # [21:14] <David_Bradbury> When in doubt, ref the spec :)
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  869. # [21:15] <Siecje> David_Bradbury: That article doesn't describe the problems with w3schools except that it should wikify its content so that anyone can improve it.
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  871. # [21:16] <Siecje> w3schools doesn't show which browser versions support things.
  872. # [21:16] <Siecje> That's the only thing I've noticed and everyone hates on it.
  873. # [21:16] <BLadwin> David_Bradbury: so why a link to Moz’s docs? one could assume that page would be specifics to FX and would not be applicable to other browsers. I understand the need to not use w3Schools, so wouldn’t the better resource be W3C?
  874. # [21:16] <Siecje> BLadwin: the mozilla developer site is not specific to Firefox afaik
  875. # [21:17] <BLadwin> Siecje: W3Schools does show browser support, i think you mean that W3C doesn't
  876. # [21:17] <Siecje> doesn't show versions though
  877. # [21:17] <Siecje> For example http://www.w3schools.com/jsref/met_win_btoa.asp
  878. # [21:18] <BLadwin> agreed, it’s not, but one could make the assumption that Moz wouldn’t document things that don’t work in it’s browsers, although it does for the majority of things FX doesn’t support
  879. # [21:18] <Siecje> btoa is not supported in IE9 but there is no mention of that.
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  881. # [21:19] <Siecje> BLadwin: sure they do https://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Web/HTML/Element/Input#Browser_compatibility
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  883. # [21:22] <David_Bradbury> Interesting - It looks like w3fools removed the history of incorrect information that w3schools has been responsible for. BLadwin The W3C is a better resource, but harder to digest for a lot of people who don't have as much experience reading the W3C docs.
  884. # [21:22] <BLadwin> Siecje: regardless of source, did you get the answer you needed for the media attribute?
  885. # [21:22] <Siecje> yeah thanks
  886. # [21:22] <BLadwin> David_Bradbury: right, hence “much harder to read” :-P
  887. # [21:22] <David_Bradbury> :p
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  889. # [21:23] <David_Bradbury> Also, MDN has excellent documentation on the vast majority of things JavaScript, which makes it a good overall resource to reference, at least in my option
  890. # [21:23] <BLadwin> Siecje: just remember, using the media attr on link applies to the entire file. you can include structured media queries in your css file also
  891. # [21:24] <David_Bradbury> I'd like to support Web Platform more, but they don't seem to be there yet
  892. # [21:24] <BLadwin> David_Bradbury++
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  936. # [22:27] <BLadwin> wanted: advice/tips on handling single word widows with CSS/JS.
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  942. # [22:32] <__joshua___> single word widows?
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