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  698. # [01:52] <ggherdov> Stupid (but honest) question: what's the point of the <button> element?
  699. # [01:52] <ggherdov> MDN says "it represents a clickable button" https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/button , but I can make pretty much everything clickable. For instance, in this bootstrap derived framework http://designmodo.github.io/Flat-UI/ "buttons" are made out of <a>'s nested in <div>'s. Here my session with firefox devtools:
  700. # [01:52] <ggherdov> http://i.imgur.com/Z21RP1N.png
  701. # [01:52] <ggherdov> Am I missing something? In what case <button> isn't replaceable by some fancy <div> ?
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  1184. # [14:06] <ggherdov> Friss: re: "button has a base style in the browser". Yeah, indeed. Thanks for the comment.
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  1190. # [14:11] <gotwig> HEY!
  1191. # [14:12] <gotwig> Just a quick question, how can I get the favicon of a website
  1192. # [14:12] <gotwig> can you pls help?
  1193. # [14:13] <gotwig> http://gotwig.tumblr.com/
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  1204. # [14:32] <patsToms> gotwig, http://31.media.tumblr.com/avatar_c18fb93fe723_128.png ?
  1205. # [14:32] <gotwig> patsToms: not a favicon?
  1206. # [14:33] <patsToms> there is no other favicons :b
  1207. # [14:33] <gotwig> patsToms: so I use this html line on my own site and it will work?
  1208. # [14:34] <patsToms> gotwig, oh, you want to insert favicon in your page?
  1209. # [14:34] <gotwig> I want to reuse this on my own page
  1210. # [14:34] <gotwig> on gotwig.tk :D
  1211. # [14:35] <gotwig> patsToms: btw do you like my site
  1212. # [14:35] <gotwig> patsToms: some feedback pls
  1213. # [14:35] <patsToms> gotwig, if it' s your site and you can add some files to root then
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  1215. # [14:35] <gotwig> patsToms: do you like it
  1216. # [14:35] <patsToms> all you need is to make file favicon.ico
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  1218. # [14:36] <gotwig> patsToms: do you like the website
  1219. # [14:36] <gotwig> :D
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  1390. # [17:24] <LyndsySimon> I have a document fragment that looks like this: "<div>List Title<ol><li></li></ol></div>". Note that the list title is not in it's own element. Any recommendations on how I should treat that text? Text inside a div with no specifier doesn't feel right, and while <label> seems like it would be semantically appropriate, the spec says that it can't be used
  1391. # [17:24] <LyndsySimon> with arbitrary elements like <ol>.
  1392. # [17:25] <iDaniel> LyndsySimon: <span>
  1393. # [17:25] <LyndsySimon> Even without any attributes defined?
  1394. # [17:26] <iDaniel> idk if u want
  1395. # [17:26] <LyndsySimon> :) I'm just bouncing thoughts I guess. What I have now works, it just doesn't pass a "gut check" for semantic meaning.
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  1514. # [20:15] <bryanbuchanan> Am I crazy, or shouldn't this broken image appear at 400x200, instead of 200x200? http://jsfiddle.net/V5txG/1/
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  1530. # [20:30] <David_Bradbury> width: auto; has a weird interaction with broken images and seems to ignore any width or height defined on the image
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  1532. # [20:32] <David_Bradbury> http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visudet.html#inline-replaced-width
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  1630. # [22:10] <ciqsteve> Q: is there any difference between styles defined on the element - style='...' and styles defined in a css file?
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  1632. # [22:10] <ciqsteve> in particular wrt display:none display:block
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  1634. # [22:11] <zlsa> yes
  1635. # [22:12] <ciqsteve> zl- dont understand why
  1636. # [22:12] <zlsa> I'm almost positive that style='' overrides CSS
  1637. # [22:12] <zlsa> in the files
  1638. # [22:12] <ciqsteve> right. I get that. but there seems to be a difference between applying display: none to the element
  1639. # [22:12] <zlsa> there shouldn't
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  1641. # [22:12] <zlsa> i've never needed to do that though
  1642. # [22:13] <ciqsteve> vs removing the inline styling and having it fallback to display:none in the style sheet
  1643. # [22:13] <ciqsteve> (sorry - change display:none to display:block)
  1644. # [22:13] <ciqsteve> I fixed it by (using JQ), changing display to "" instead of block... from none
  1645. # [22:13] <ciqsteve> wierd tho
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  1647. # [22:15] <David_Bradbury> You should avoid inline styles. That said, they have a higher specificity than things in a separate style sheet / style tag
  1648. # [22:15] <David_Bradbury> And yeah, jQuery can be interesting at times
  1649. # [22:16] <David_Bradbury> I know they do it for performance reasons, but I wish they didn't style each element and instead injected styles into the stylesheet, and then had an option if you need to put it inline for whatever reason.
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  1651. # [22:18] <David_Bradbury> Also probably to avoid people being stupid and complaining about it 'not working' (When they try to apply a style with lower specificity) when they're the ones that don't understand.
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  1654. # [22:22] <ciqsteve> DB - good points all . thx
  1655. # [22:23] <David_Bradbury> :)
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  1663. # [22:45] <deweydb> fuckin eh!
  1664. # [22:45] <deweydb> finally found that CORS + safari bug
  1665. # [22:45] <deweydb> and a workaround.
  1666. # [22:45] <deweydb> i had been pestering some people in here for help the past couple days
  1667. # [22:45] <deweydb> about that. so if you're interested i posted the workaround: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24833312/html5-cors-request-fails-in-safari-after-redirect
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  1679. # [22:53] <daraand> Hi all. For the past few months a bunch of you have helped me here tremendously. I wanted to share the fruit of the labor: http://theoryanimation.com Powered by a lot of jQuery and HTML5 :D I'm open to critiques too, though admittedly my brain is fried hehe.
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  1682. # [22:58] <zlsa> oh hello again
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  1684. # [23:00] <zlsa> is the front page supposed to autoplay?
  1685. # [23:02] <daraand> It should! Hopefully?
  1686. # [23:03] <zlsa> can you put a button somewhere to start it instead?
  1687. # [23:03] <zlsa> to me, autoplaying video is like the blink tag
  1688. # [23:03] <zlsa> or maybe mute by default and you have to click to play
  1689. # [23:04] <daraand> its a fair request, what do you mean by blink tag?
  1690. # [23:04] <zlsa> it's an old html "feature"
  1691. # [23:04] <zlsa> sort of like a <strong /> tag but it would blink the content
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  1693. # [23:04] <zlsa> it's widely known as the most annoying HTML feature (and was removed in HtmL5)
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  1697. # [23:09] <daraand> Ahh I had no idea! My noviceness. Did you enjoy the website aside from that?
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