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  105. # [02:02] <chriys> hey guys does someone knows how to implement debit payment ?
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  110. # [02:04] <boogyman> yes
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  113. # [02:08] <buzzlewoo> anyone know how to put a magnifying glass image inside of a Search field box?
  114. # [02:08] <boogyman> yes
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  116. # [02:10] <buzzlewoo> can you share your wisdom, boogyman?
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  122. # [02:15] <boogyman> buzzlewoo: http://jsfiddle.net/wzL7g3m5/
  123. # [02:16] <buzzlewoo> thank you, boogyman
  124. # [02:16] <buzzlewoo> that looks good
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  456. # [09:19] <Mattsan> morning, is it worth using a vm as a frontender? I dont understand why you wouldnt just install everything on to your main computer
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  460. # [09:25] <Ms2ger> Mattsan, perhaps because some browsers don't work on your OS?
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  462. # [09:27] <Mattsan> Ms2ger: but otherwise it would be considered normal practise to just install all dependencies on your local machine?
  463. # [09:28] <Ms2ger> Depends on what deps you're talking about, I guess
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  521. # [11:09] <dahlfors_> I prefer a clean linux / ubuntu server install for webserver setup. easier to setup and maintain for me than doing it in os x/windows
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  523. # [11:10] <dahlfors_> but different people have different preferences
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  621. # [13:19] <Disar> I'm planning on creating a tool with html5/javascript + node-webkit, using Haxe. But I don't have much of a html5 background. So I was wondering should the whole screen be a canvas object or can I just setup the layout with divs and work from there on out.
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  623. # [13:20] <Disar> I have no idea how interactivity goes without resorting to canvas objects
  624. # [13:20] <Disar> dar*
  625. # [13:20] <Disar> far*
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  677. # [14:46] <bendman> anbody know of a good tool to document and test backend APIs from the frontend?
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  685. # [14:54] <moo-_-> bendman: javascript?
  686. # [14:54] <moo-_-> based
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  688. # [14:56] <bendman> moo-_-: yes. I’m thinking I could using something like Jasmine with async support to create a tool for it, but I don’t want to duplicate work if something open source is already out there
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  692. # [14:57] <moo-_-> bendman: I have not used any JavaScript tools, mostly Python there. But I guess ideally you would have a client library written for the front end and you would also run the tests through calling this library.
  693. # [14:57] <bendman> ideally, I want to expose the tool to the frontend and backend developers, so they could agree on a data contract within the tool, and the FE devs can use it as documentation and the BE devs can use it as a testing suite
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  696. # [14:59] <bendman> at first it seemed so obvious and useful that someone must have built one, but after a lot of googling I’m thinking maybe not
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  700. # [15:02] <gumble> which tags do I use for a list of the form Property: Value ??
  701. # [15:02] <gumble> e.g. if I want to display what the user entered in a form
  702. # [15:02] <gumble> is there something similar to label-tag but not for input elements?
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  704. # [15:05] <gumble> does someone understand what I mean?
  705. # [15:06] <bendman> gumble: a definition list (DL) can be used for a list of key-value pairs
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  708. # [15:07] <bendman> unfortunately a DL doesn’t allow you to mixin other elements, so it’s really only good for a single layer deep, but for a form that is probably enough
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  711. # [15:08] <Disar> Is it possible to create a timeline ( i.e. audio track style ) in just html5 ?
  712. # [15:08] <Disar> without canvas
  713. # [15:08] <Disar> ...kinda paradox question...
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  715. # [15:08] <gumble> bendman, thanks :) yes that seems to suit me
  716. # [15:10] <bendman> Disar: not sure what you mean, but theoretically you could do it in regular elements and control it with JS
  717. # [15:11] <Disar> bendman: what I need is a timeline just like one of those in audio editors.
  718. # [15:11] <Disar> But I'm not sure if I can do that without canvas
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  720. # [15:11] <Disar> thing is there is going to be zooming options
  721. # [15:11] <Disar> so the timeline should also stretch
  722. # [15:12] <bendman> Disar: what part are you not sure you can do? isn’t it just some thumbnails and elements? zooming is just a matter of scaling element sizes (widths, probably in this case) to a variable
  723. # [15:12] <Disar> so the timeline also needs to adjust some of the visual stuff
  724. # [15:12] <Disar> I don't mean zooming as in scaling my elements, but scaling the timeline itself
  725. # [15:12] <Disar> so that the time for the visible segment changes also
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  727. # [15:13] <Disar> Im pretty much new to javascript/html5 development so to ease things out I'm using haxe because it's a tad more type-safe.
  728. # [15:13] <Disar> so I don't really know what the posibilities are without canvas when it comes to interactive apps
  729. # [15:14] <bendman> Disar: to answer your question, yes, it is almost definitely possible. You’d need to ask much more specific questions to find out how to do different things
  730. # [15:15] <Disar> bendman: http://i.imgur.com/zM8rTAq.png here is a mock up i made for myself
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  732. # [15:15] <Disar> It's not really an audio editor, more like a tag editor to trigger events
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  737. # [15:16] <Disar> Disar> bendman: http://i.imgur.com/zM8rTAq.png here is a mock up i made for myself [15:12:12]
  738. # [15:16] <Disar> <Disar> It's not really an audio editor, more like a tag editor to trigger events
  739. # [15:16] <bendman> some crazy stuff can be done without canvas, if you have good reason. D3 is a good example of this. http://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/1667367
  740. # [15:16] <Disar> =o
  741. # [15:16] <Disar> sweet
  742. # [15:16] <Disar> but yes
  743. # [15:17] <Disar> the timeline you see there, i need something similar. But all tracks need to only show the segments within visbility. But ill try without canvas first ( it will make onclicks so much more easier )
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  745. # [15:19] <bendman> Disar: at least for your audio visualization, I’d recommend looking into D3. It has a fairly steep learning curve, but it’s atleast a proof of concept that just about anything “audio-timeline-wise” that you want to do is achievable. http://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/1256572
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  747. # [15:19] <Disar> there already is an audio lib on git though
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  749. # [15:20] <Disar> i might just use that for visualization
  750. # [15:20] <Disar> but damn that's some crazy animations
  751. # [15:21] <Disar> the audio lib only draws the audios visuals though, but thats something for later
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  935. # [18:37] <gazzwi86> What browser (desktop) resolution / aspect ratio is everyone developing to now?
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  944. # [18:47] <luanmuniz> take a look at the responsive part of bootstrap
  945. # [18:47] <luanmuniz> :)
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  961. # [19:05] <dahlfors_> i still stay a bit under 1000px for width usually
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  963. # [19:05] <dahlfors_> 960, 980 or so
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  965. # [19:05] <dahlfors_> graphics can scale outside of that.
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  968. # [19:06] <dahlfors_> text and items need to get so large unless you want to overflood the user with content
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  970. # [19:07] <dahlfors_> but. depends on thethe content
  971. # [19:08] <dahlfors_> I've made html5 apps that stretch to full width and height
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  997. # [19:35] <dcosnet> hi all. anyone suggest a good html5/css3 based CMS or template for a 5 to 6 page site layout? not interested in joomla, wordpress, and all the other big names. less code the better
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  1004. # [19:38] <dahlfors_> no idea. I'd google with keywords like minimalistic, cms and github/opensource
  1005. # [19:38] <dcosnet> ya i have like 20 tabs open. just comparing results. figured i'd ask in here
  1006. # [19:39] <dahlfors_> tell me if you find a really good minimalistic one. I've never seen one
  1007. # [19:39] <dahlfors_> :)
  1008. # [19:39] <dcosnet> i may just code from scratch like i did for dcos.net but thats xhtml/css2.1
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  1020. # [19:50] <dcosnet> http://html5bones.com/
  1021. # [19:50] <dcosnet> dahlfors_: interesting at least ^
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  1028. # [19:55] <dahlfors_> if that is what you're looking for, have a look at http://html5boilerplate.com/
  1029. # [19:56] <dahlfors_> the minimal & clean cms part is the one part I've never seen
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  1047. # [20:06] <dcosnet> looking now, i had it in a tab already
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  1052. # [20:09] <dcosnet> dahlfors_: check this out not the best but certainly interesting
  1053. # [20:10] <dcosnet> https://www.raptor-editor.com/demo
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  1083. # [20:34] <Zerker> Hello all!
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  1091. # [20:39] <Zerker> So i have a question for everyone! I'm just starting to learn html and i was wondering if you guys had any advice?
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  1097. # [20:41] <moo-_-> Zerker: take some online course http://codeacademy.com/
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  1178. # [22:15] <Rou> This channel seems dead
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  1180. # [22:18] <koii> true
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