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  263. # [07:40] <jyg> Hi all. I've run this regex ^(\D*\d\D*){10}$ through a number of online testers, and it does not properly match in an <input type="text">
  264. # [07:41] <jyg> it should permit a string with 10 digits, no more, no less, with any other number of interspersed or surrounding non-digit characters
  265. # [07:41] <jyg> the goal being to accept a 10-digit phone number in any format
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  382. # [10:29] <HisaoNakai> o/
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  395. # [10:33] <HisaoNakai> Is it possible to send/recieve MIDI streams through a browser using HTML5?
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  399. # [10:34] <HisaoNakai> (there doesn't seem to be much information on the Web MIDI API, and what exists seems to be more tailored towards playing files than handling streams)
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  461. # [10:56] <moo-_-> HisaoNakai: I had never heard of Web MIDI API before
  462. # [10:56] <moo-_-> looks very drafty
  463. # [10:56] <moo-_-> HisaoNakai: so the answer is, no
  464. # [10:56] <HisaoNakai> :\
  465. # [10:56] <HisaoNakai>
  466. # [10:56] <moo-_-> it is so marginal use case that might not be worth to implement in web browsers
  467. # [10:56] <HisaoNakai> In the meantime I've found midi.js but it only works in crap (Chrome, Safari) and not in Firefox.
  468. # [10:56] <moo-_-> also, browser timers are not accurate enough to play MIDI music reliably
  469. # [10:57] <HisaoNakai> :(
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  475. # [11:03] <HisaoNakai> moo-_-: What does one do for a cross platform (3 desktops + Android is critical, iPhone nice but not critical) audio/MIDI application, then? o.o'
  476. # [11:03] <HisaoNakai>
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  480. # [11:10] <dahlfors_> I'd stab myself
  481. # [11:10] <dahlfors_> I think app is the way for such, not web yet I'm afraid
  482. # [11:12] <moo-_-> HisaoNakai: I would pick http://xamarin.com/
  483. # [11:12] <moo-_-> and if that doesn't cut it then C++
  484. # [11:12] <HisaoNakai> lol dahlfors_
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  486. # [11:13] <moo-_-> HisaoNakai: MIDI is quite rare beast nowadays, so don't hold your hope for any cheap alternatives or development paths
  487. # [11:13] <HisaoNakai> moo-_-: It's a music application, and it's overarchingly popular in the music and light world. :\
  488. # [11:18] <moo-_-> HisaoNakai: yep, I have written my own MIDI player long time ago.
  489. # [11:19] <moo-_-> However, the point is that MIDI is not standard part of any operating system (maybe excluding OSX and Windows)
  490. # [11:19] <HisaoNakai> moo-_-: apparently xamarin doesn't know or care that Linux exists xD
  491. # [11:19] <moo-_-> and will not be in the future
  492. # [11:19] <moo-_-> HisaoNakai: I think they care. as the company was founded by former Gnome developers
  493. # [11:19] <moo-_-> but there is no business there
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  495. # [11:19] <HisaoNakai> lol
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  738. # [17:08] <hooligan132> somewhere deep inside some devlopers html5/webaudio code: if (navigator.vibrate) { navigator.vibrate([volume_amplitude * 100]); } /* That would be the day hahaahah ... oh how they roared with laughter */
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  742. # [17:14] <DJDan> With HTML5, how do i read the binary data from each channel of a wave file? (I have 5 channels i want to read in). Is there a easy way to do so?
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  752. # [17:19] <DJDan> anyone?
  753. # [17:19] <hooligan132> you make 5 audio elements with script processors
  754. # [17:20] <DJDan> hooligan132: how do i do that?
  755. # [17:20] <DJDan> i dont want to actually listen to the audio.. just read the binary data
  756. # [17:20] <DJDan> of each channel
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  758. # [17:22] <hooligan132> ok if thats the case then you want filereader
  759. # [17:23] <DJDan> if i do readAsBinary, how would i know which channel of data is which tho?
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  761. # [17:24] <DJDan> its 1 wave file.. with 5 channels of data
  762. # [17:24] <hooligan132> I am not 100% sure on that .. wouldnt it be interleaved left to right ?
  763. # [17:24] <DJDan> its not just left and right.. its 5 seperate channels
  764. # [17:24] <DJDan> wave supports multi channels
  765. # [17:24] <hooligan132> oh in 1 file?
  766. # [17:24] <DJDan> yep
  767. # [17:25] <hooligan132> ah right the wav header must tell you where the channels offsets are
  768. # [17:25] <DJDan> ahhuh... now i just need to workout how to read wave headers
  769. # [17:25] <hooligan132> and it also might tell you which way they are inteleaved
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  771. # [17:25] <hooligan132> yeah look up filereader
  772. # [17:26] <DJDan> ive used filereader to read binary of another file type... i just dont know how to do it with wave file.. and noticed there are HTML5 audio parameters too.. so was wondering if that would help
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  775. # [17:27] <hooligan132> let me see what it offeres
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  778. # [17:27] <hooligan132> FileReader.readAsBinaryString()
  779. # [17:27] <hooligan132> Starts reading the contents of the specified Blob, once finished, the result attribute contains the raw binary data from the file as a string.
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  781. # [17:28] <hooligan132> then theres another one arraybuffer so its one of those two
  782. # [17:28] <DJDan> yeh ive used readAsArrayBuffer.. thats generally whats used with binary... altho this is audio... and there are audio specific things in Html5
  783. # [17:29] <DJDan> i was just wondering the best method, and how to determine which channel of wave file data is which... (im just reading the binary information of 5 channels of 1 wave file)... i dont want to playback the content... altho 2 of the channels i might wanna play content
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  787. # [17:33] <DJDan> perhaps theres a <audio> tag or something... that allows reading of individual channels more easily then the readAsArrayBuffer?
  788. # [17:33] <DJDan> considering that 2 of the 5 channels i want to listen to the audio data..
  789. # [17:33] <DJDan> etc..
  790. # [17:33] <hooligan132> no the audio tag it self doesn not to my knowelege allow any thing like that
  791. # [17:34] <DJDan> is the audio tags / HTMLT5 audio part... just for playback? or reading as well?
  792. # [17:34] <hooligan132> i've seen countless people making there own mico sequencers by dynamically creating audio elements to get multichannel sound working for games
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  794. # [17:34] <hooligan132> micro^
  795. # [17:34] <DJDan> surely if u read a file into a audio tag, u can then better get each channel of audio data?
  796. # [17:35] <DJDan> as opposed to a ArrayBuffer
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  800. # [17:36] <DJDan> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Audio_Data_API#Reading_Audio hmmm
  801. # [17:37] <DJDan> there we go.. i think this might be what im ater
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  803. # [17:38] <DJDan> altho it seems to be firefox specific
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  806. # [17:39] <DJDan> and i think no longer supported.. close
  807. # [17:39] <DJDan> im after the main web audio api
  808. # [17:40] <hooligan132> yeah poor old webaudio developers we got took for a big old ride :/
  809. # [17:41] <DJDan> so how do i do what this Audio Data API reading is doing in standard 'Web Audio API'.... cause thats exactly what i need
  810. # [17:41] <DJDan> cause i think that was only Firefox specific and depreciated
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  813. # [17:42] <hooligan132> no that script is going in the right direction DJDan
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  816. # [17:43] <hooligan132> you just need to make it work for the webkit audioavailable
  817. # [17:43] <hooligan132> there must a be a replacement
  818. # [17:43] <DJDan> hooligan132: but it says ithe 'Audio Data API' is depreciated in support of 'Web Audio API' and only works in Firefox
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  820. # [17:44] <hooligan132> http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/webaudio/intro/
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  823. # [17:44] <DJDan> and how do i do multi channel.. hmmm
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  826. # [17:48] <DJDan> i wish i had as detailed about multi channel wave files for web audio api, as it does for the old firefox one
  827. # [17:48] <hooligan132> yeah its about getting a combination of the example/tut you found making and make a custom wav reader to `de-chunk` its channles for lack of a word, and the second more standard concious tutorial
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  830. # [17:49] <hooligan132> whats the word of opposite of multiplex
  831. # [17:49] <DJDan> not sure
  832. # [17:49] <DJDan> demultiplex
  833. # [17:49] <hooligan132> yesh thats it
  834. # [17:50] <DJDan> http://www.w3schools.com/html/html5_audio.asp ... hmmm
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  836. # [17:51] <DJDan> i guess i create a audio tag element.. load the file.. and then somehow read each channel after it loads the buffer
  837. # [17:51] <DJDan> or perhaps i can just specify on the audio control.. what channel.. and load it 5 times... altho thats probably bad
  838. # [17:52] <hooligan132> http://webaudioapi.com/samples/script-processor/script-processor-sample.js
  839. # [17:52] <DJDan> hey cool.. where did u get that?
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  842. # [17:57] <hooligan132> never give up with the searching mate ... knew there had to be a working scriptprocessor node out there
  843. # [17:57] <DJDan> does that work for just wave multi channels? or every fileformat?
  844. # [17:58] <hooligan132> obviously not firefox tho
  845. # [17:58] <DJDan> will that support wave, flac, ogg etc... multi channel files? or just wave?
  846. # [18:00] <hooligan132> really dont know mate the only way to find out is too see if when it playsback if there are more then 2 sets inside e.getChannelData();
  847. # [18:00] <hooligan132> getChannelData(4); for example
  848. # [18:01] <DJDan> is there an actual example provided.. or just the processor javascript?
  849. # [18:02] <DJDan> trying to workout how to run the example
  850. # [18:03] <hooligan132> ah i was wrong interesting that sample even works in firefox so there you go :)
  851. # [18:04] <DJDan> how do i get this example to work.. is there an actual sample demo
  852. # [18:04] <hooligan132> thats about as simple as they get other then going back to a tutorial
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  854. # [18:05] <DJDan> how do i run this.. its not working in chrome.... i tried to call ScriptSample();
  855. # [18:05] <Lope> is this data attribute name allowed? <span data-foo5='blah'>hello</span>
  856. # [18:05] <Lope> (particularly asking because of the number 5 in the attribute name)
  857. # [18:05] <hooligan132> surprised that works .. so now if firefox.. would just drop there mediaelementsource horse shit far fetched bullshit and just let the user decied if he wants remote audio samples inside his browser, every might be able to be happy and get on in life
  858. # [18:05] <DJDan> hooligan132: how did u get it to work?
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  861. # [18:09] <DJDan> hmm
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  864. # [18:10] <DJDan> im trying to run it locally on my computer and nothing happens...
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  866. # [18:11] <hooligan132> well I know theere audio processor code is working as I can hear it when I click play.. all that remains for you to see is if when the multichannel wav plays on separate channels all together
  867. # [18:11] <hooligan132> it might need to have "numberOfOutputChannels" defined as 6 or what ever "Integer specifying the number of channels for this node's output, defaults to 2. Values of up to 32 are supported."
  868. # [18:11] <DJDan> it wont even work on a 2 channel mp3 audio?
  869. # [18:11] <DJDan> when using ScriptSample(); call
  870. # [18:12] <DJDan> how are u getting it to play?
  871. # [18:12] <hooligan132> i think there is some issue loading data locally with xhr
  872. # [18:13] <DJDan> well that doesnt help me :S
  873. # [18:13] <DJDan> how are u getting it to work....
  874. # [18:13] <DJDan> its not even trying to load
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  876. # [18:13] <DJDan> tried on firefox now
  877. # [18:14] <hooligan132> firefox nightly DJDan?
  878. # [18:14] <DJDan> no.. ive tried chrome tho
  879. # [18:14] <DJDan> what did u do to make it run.. just run ScriptSample(); ?
  880. # [18:14] <hooligan132> strange so the live example wont play for you?
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  882. # [18:14] <DJDan> or do i need to create a <sound> object or what
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  884. # [18:15] <DJDan> no what do i need to do?
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  886. # [18:15] <DJDan> this is javascript, what do i call or add to the script
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  888. # [18:16] <hooligan132> you need both the scrips shared.js and processor-sample.js
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  891. # [18:17] <hooligan132> drop them in your document head they should do all the major lifting of getting webaudio initilised and so on
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  893. # [18:17] <DJDan> oh that worked
  894. # [18:17] <DJDan> i was trying to manually load it
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  896. # [18:18] <DJDan> but that didnt use the javascript file
  897. # [18:18] <DJDan> :|
  898. # [18:18] <DJDan> that just used firefox audio capability not the javascript file
  899. # [18:18] <Lope> turns out data-foo4='blah' is a legal data attribute.
  900. # [18:19] <DJDan> hooligan132: if u dragged a mp3 directly to the browser.. its not using the javascript script at all
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  902. # [18:19] <hooligan132> no that would be filereader wouldnt it
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  907. # [18:20] <DJDan> what r u talking about.. how did u get the javascript file to play?
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  915. # [18:26] <hooligan132> hey DJDan
  916. # [18:26] <hooligan132> check this out
  917. # [18:26] <hooligan132> http://webaudio.github.io/web-audio-api/#the-offlineaudiocontext-interface
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  919. # [18:27] <DJDan> i need a example
  920. # [18:27] <DJDan> the one provided doesnt do anything...
  921. # [18:27] <DJDan> im not sure how u got that working
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  925. # [18:28] <hooligan132> that is kind of odd to be it should work it worked on both my browser no problem just clicked play and it went forth
  926. # [18:29] <hooligan132> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16925884/pcm-web-audio-api-javascript <-- this is where you need to be tho
  927. # [18:30] <DJDan> http://middleearmedia.com/demos/webaudio/audiobuffer.html .. that worked
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  931. # [18:32] <DJDan> the method im using seems to be messy tho... surely theres a better way then using XMLHTTPREQUEST
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  933. # [18:34] <hooligan132> now reffer to the stackoverflow link that is the begingings of what your trying to do
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  936. # [18:35] <DJDan> i thought u said this works in firefox? (it doesnt)
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  939. # [18:35] <hooligan132> it does use file reader?
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  942. # [18:36] <DJDan> what? http://middleearmedia.com/demos/webaudio/audiobuffer.html works with safari and not chrome
  943. # [18:36] <DJDan> or firefox
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  945. # [18:37] <DJDan> what r u talking about?
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  947. # [18:38] <DJDan> what method are u wanting me to use?
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  955. # [18:41] <hooligan132> DJDan. the stackoverflow one uses `filereader` so you can use it localy and have drag and drop, and outputs the parsed wav data via webaudio .. he hes even kept it to Mono to keep it super simple ... he has a problem with normalizing his samples so working through that and his own problem will be entirely relevant to your objective... and just gleam what you can from the other resources we
  956. # [18:41] <hooligan132> found and talked about as well.
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  961. # [18:44] <DJDan> how do i load a file into his example?
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  963. # [18:45] <hooligan132> before you can do that you have to build a working filereader/browser for file/drag drop setup
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  966. # [18:46] <dmj`> when doing offline apps, and synching to the database, how does one maintain consistency of data?
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  970. # [18:48] <hooligan132> any way DJDan which station you on
  971. # [18:48] <hooligan132> ?
  972. # [18:49] <DJDan> im on I play live in Australia station :P
  973. # [18:49] <DJDan> at clubs and private functions
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  975. # [18:49] <hooligan132> koo man :)
  976. # [18:49] <DJDan> but at the moment.. im on I am trying to read a laser animation file, via wave file :P
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  980. # [18:51] <DJDan> i assume the same code can be used with .ogg, .flac and .wave multi channels?
  981. # [18:53] <hooligan132> hm sckeptical on that... wav's raw so yeah no codec required
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  983. # [18:55] <DJDan> but the html audio i think supports all formats.. so maybe.. well so far so good.. i added wave drag drop.. now i just need to build the reader
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  985. # [18:57] <hooligan132> I mean you could in theory get a js ogg/mp3 decoding api... but I can only imagine the performance impact .. that might be something to be concerened about in that approach
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  989. # [18:59] <hooligan132> and Breaatth :)
  990. # [19:00] <hooligan132> oxygen levels to brain restored!
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  995. # [19:03] <DJDan> i see... i will focus on wave file then for the moment as thats raw
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  1002. # [19:09] <DJDan> hooligan132: after reading the entire file as binary, i am not sure how i am meant to get the individual channels tho
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  1004. # [19:11] <logicalguy> Hi, can anyone tell me why my text boxes are ignoring my size directive?
  1005. # [19:11] <logicalguy> the url is http://www.orientalwatchman.com/landingpage_new/
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  1023. # [19:25] <DJDan> hooligan132: after reading the entire file as binary, i am not sure how i am meant to get the individual channels tho?
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  1026. # [19:26] <DJDan> reader.readAsArrayBuffer(file); now what
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  1057. # [19:51] <G9X37> Test
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  1166. # [21:32] <hooligan132> hey dan :)
  1167. # [21:32] <hooligan132> no hes gone lol ;)
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  1169. # [21:34] <hooligan132> ah well gives me a chance to have a rant about firefox nightly ... god they made it crash more times then windows xp with and a bad choice of chipset drivers or something lool
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  1173. # [21:38] <hooligan132> firefox has anoyed me with this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19708561/firefox-25-and-audiocontext-createjavascriptnote-not-a-function/19710142#19710142
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  1182. # [21:46] <hooligan132> honestly to me it just sounds like total giberish ... some attackers going to some how inject samples to the user unwillingly and thus to webaudio and these sampless are some how going buffer over flow the audio decoders and give the attacker access to your machine, which is some how different to any other method and now must be locked down by simply breaking / switching off the functionallity,
  1183. # [21:46] <hooligan132> like say you just did src="http://iattackyou.com:8080" theres no fucking difference its the same risk, and regardless firefox does not even comply with CORS any way it totally ignores "CORS" headers, honestly the shit might as well not exist, except for in firefox's mad little rendition of reality!.. the guys a prick and pain in every ones ass get him off the webaudio commitee is what I say!...
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  1212. # [22:12] <Left_Turn> is this correct https://bpaste.net/show/b60d59d05ec7 ?
  1213. # [22:13] <moo-_-> Left_Turn: check on any HTML5 online validator
  1214. # [22:13] <Left_Turn> oh never used 1.. thnx
  1215. # [22:20] <Left_Turn> moo-_-, im not really trying to see how valid it is regarding the html.. I'm asking more like the semantics of my elements
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  1217. # [22:21] <Left_Turn> like where I placed the <footer>
  1218. # [22:22] <moo-_-> Left_Turn: my question is, for who it does matter? if it matters only to yourself please free feel to use elements any way you like.
  1219. # [22:23] <moo-_-> there is no point of enforcing semantics, as they are in 99% cases a subject of opinion
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  1221. # [22:23] <Left_Turn> oh i see
  1222. # [22:24] <Left_Turn> ok that's true.. I'll get to validating it. thanks
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  1238. # [22:50] <jyg> Hi all. I'm using an input type="text" with a pattern attribute, and sometimes within the same rendering of the page, the html5 validation will not accept a value, and then it will.. the same value, that is. I'll type it in, and it will be rejected. I'll modify to a known unacceptable value and it will be rejected as expected. I'll then fix it to the original good, but rejected, value and suddently the form validates. O.o
  1239. # [22:50] <jyg> This is with Chrome/Mac
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  1264. # [23:12] <joeyjones> I'm having a hell of a time with HTML5 Canvas
  1265. # [23:12] <joeyjones> certain images will not display properly
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  1271. # [23:18] <hooligan132> joeyjones can you make us a test case
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  1279. # [23:24] <joeyjones> let me toss something together
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  1285. # [23:28] <joeyjones> geez, my computer just started going crazy. give me a minute
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  1293. # [23:34] <joeyjones> wow, i need to restart chrome
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  1312. # [23:51] <joeyjones> hooligan132: http://jsfiddle.net/2yaxrhr6/1/ using the test file: http://hipwood.s3.amazonaws.com/IMG_0057.jpg and http://hipwood.s3.amazonaws.com/IMGP1253.JPG
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  1316. # [23:57] <hooligan132> they look ok to me joeyjones?
  1317. # [23:57] <hooligan132> i loaded your two and one of mine
  1318. # [23:58] <joeyjones> the second one is loading wrong for me, it's coming up as a segment of the image tiled
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