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  26. # [00:20] <Tagor> I have a submenu with two parts. On the left there's a feed with the 3 most recent news items, on the right there's a list of urls. What would be the best markup for this in HTML5? Would this be ok? http://pastebin.com/AcwB4z7C
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  69. # [01:12] <doug_> hi
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  380. # [09:26] <photon> DJDan_: which error? Websockets use a protocol on top of TCP/IP.
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  384. # [09:28] <DJDan_> ill pm u
  385. # [09:31] <DJDan_> photon: u there?
  386. # [09:33] <photon> please don't PM without asking, it's considered bad etiquette on IRC. You should also keep this in the official channel because other people here might help you too. Does the server on 192.168.0.1:7765 understand the web sockets protocol?
  387. # [09:33] <photon> Please note that WebSockets is not pure TCP/IP, it's an actual protocol based on top of TCP, similar to HTTP.
  388. # [09:34] <photon> DJDan_: Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebSocket#WebSocket_protocol_handshake
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  390. # [09:34] <DJDan_> photon: oh does that mean i cant use websockets to transmit standard tcpip packets?
  391. # [09:35] <doug64k> DJDan_: your question doesn't entirely make sense... when you connect the socket you can send. it is a stream. there is no such thing as sending TCP/IP packets
  392. # [09:35] <photon> DJDan_: well, they are "standard" TCP packets, just like HTTP or FTP are "standard" TCP packets, but they must follow the protocol. You can't just send *arbitrary* TCP packets with this, AFAIK.
  393. # [09:35] <photon> doug64k: I think he's wanting to send arbitrary TCP packets.
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  396. # [09:36] <doug64k> like raw sockets?
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  398. # [09:36] <DJDan_> photon: i have a hardware device.. that accepts data like eg; { x: 1, y, 1, r: 1, g:1, b: 1 } ... and i want to send that tcpip packet to port 7765 via the browser...
  399. # [09:36] <DJDan_> port 7765 tcpip packets...
  400. # [09:37] <doug64k> DJDan_: easy, make the webserver do it and make your js frontend send a request to the server
  401. # [09:37] <doug64k> anyway, way off topic here
  402. # [09:37] <photon> good idea, doug64k.
  403. # [09:37] <DJDan_> doug64k: i didnt want to use a server.. does websockets not do this?
  404. # [09:37] <photon> DJDan_: have you read the link I gave you?
  405. # [09:38] <photon> it illustrates the websockets handshake
  406. # [09:38] <photon> if your hardware device doesn't understand that, you're out of luck
  407. # [09:38] <doug64k> websocket is a layer on top of HTTP, where it requests to switch to "websocket mode". your printer knows none of that
  408. # [09:38] <photon> and it probably will not understand that.
  409. # [09:39] <doug64k> DJDan_: if you use nodejs you can do it very easily
  410. # [09:39] <DJDan_> doug64k: yep, i was hoping to natively do send/recieve of tcpip (& UDP packets) too via the browser
  411. # [09:40] <doug64k> DJDan_: that's way too much control to give a web page, don't you think?
  412. # [09:40] <doug64k> let webpages just attack my network. not a good design
  413. # [09:40] <DJDan_> no, because its on a local network
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  415. # [09:40] <DJDan_> the application is run solely via private network
  416. # [09:41] <doug64k> DJDan_: I am giving reasoning about why what you ask is not allowed
  417. # [09:41] <doug64k> obviously you can't do that
  418. # [09:41] <DJDan_> but ajax will do the tcpip packet thing wont it?
  419. # [09:41] <doug64k> if that is allowed then just give webpages write access to the hard drive and be done
  420. # [09:42] <doug64k> DJDan_: no, it does HTTP, which is a protocol on top of TCP/IP
  421. # [09:42] <DJDan_> write access to the harddrive? what...
  422. # [09:43] <DJDan_> i just wanna send a standard tcpip packet... plain text to a device on a port
  423. # [09:43] <photon> again, not doable with websockets.
  424. # [09:43] <doug64k> DJDan_: but a nodejs server that does that would probably fit in one screen of code
  425. # [09:43] <DJDan_> then how via a webbrowser (Without using a webserver) is this achieved
  426. # [09:44] <doug64k> DJDan_: it's not achieved. write a powershell script
  427. # [09:44] <doug64k> DJDan_: what OS?
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  429. # [09:45] <DJDan_> osx.. but i just want to use the native browser, not a server of any sort
  430. # [09:45] <doug64k> DJDan_: I already explained why you can't do that
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  432. # [09:46] <DJDan_> then perhaps i need to implement websockets into the device or something
  433. # [09:46] <doug64k> yes that would work
  434. # [09:47] <doug64k> if you have that control, make it accept an HTTP request. no need for sockets, just urlencoded values
  435. # [09:48] <DJDan_> doug64k: feel free to look at c code and tell me how.. lol.. :P its a laser light ethernet DAC... at the moment it only accepts tcpip packets to send data to laser on tcpip.. and UDP packets incoming/outgoing for OSC command to change a couple parameters
  436. # [09:48] <doug64k> where
  437. # [09:49] <DJDan_> doug64k: https://github.com/j4cbo/j4cDAC .. enjoy...
  438. # [09:50] <DJDan_> if websockets was intergrated, that would probably be better then raw tcpip packets
  439. # [09:50] <DJDan_> or a webserver with post/get support or something
  440. # [09:51] <doug64k> websocket is probably overkill. simply accepting and parsing an HTTP request would be sufficient
  441. # [09:51] <doug64k> then ajax would work
  442. # [09:51] <doug64k> you could build the js right into the device then
  443. # [09:52] <doug64k> when you put the device in the address bar, a tiny webserver sends you simple pages
  444. # [09:52] <DJDan_> ah yes, if it had a built in webserver that would be great..
  445. # [09:53] <DJDan_> and if it could read the webserver off the inbuilt sd card even better
  446. # [09:54] <doug64k> it's just a 16-bit DAC?
  447. # [09:54] <DJDan_> yep
  448. # [09:54] <DJDan_> with network support ... tcpip for sending animation to laser... and osc command support (udp packet) for incoming/outgoing...
  449. # [09:55] <DJDan_> oh and its got a built in dhcp server too
  450. # [09:55] <DJDan_> its on a ARM CPU or something
  451. # [09:55] <DJDan_> its programmable
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  453. # [09:56] <doug64k> you must mean dhcp client
  454. # [09:56] <doug64k> to auto-config the IP address
  455. # [09:56] <DJDan_> well both yes... everytime u turn it off.. it changes ip automatically
  456. # [09:58] <DJDan_> doug64k: any ideas with the C code, how to recompile it and have the ability to send http requests (& even store a webserver)
  457. # [09:58] <doug64k> DJDan_: looking
  458. # [09:58] <DJDan_> cool
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  465. # [10:11] <doug64k> DJDan_: I have to go soon
  466. # [10:11] <doug64k> I should be around tomorrow though
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  468. # [10:12] <doug64k> I'll familiarize myself with it a bit more and see if it can be added into the existing tcp code path easily enough
  469. # [10:12] <doug64k> oops wrong room, sorry
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  499. # [11:10] <jomesili> Hallo
  500. # [11:11] <jomesili> HI guys, need help starting out a simple appp in HTML5
  501. # [11:11] <jomesili> I am a new intern and have been assigned with building an Visualization app
  502. # [11:12] <jomesili> its basically a bubble chart that show your contacts and your relationship with them
  503. # [11:13] <jomesili> so a contact can be on the TOP RIGHT side which would suggest a good contact but far from my core business
  504. # [11:13] <jomesili> so I basically need to display data as buble charts in a quadrant
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  507. # [11:13] <jomesili> any leads on ow to go about this
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  636. # [14:44] <faucon> how to stop people to see a pdf file but can't download it, like in docs.google.com?
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  759. # [17:14] <ErayAydin> Hi , I need an idea for my web project.
  760. # [17:14] <dahlfors_> here's an idea: fill it with kittens
  761. # [17:14] <opsec> bang your head on something..
  762. # [17:15] <opsec> the resulting blow will cause you to have a "vision"
  763. # [17:15] <ErayAydin> I have a website http://acikteknoloji.com , (in english: opentechnology.com) . I can't find a main description(main category) for this project. For starting I select "Open Source Program Guide and Technology News"
  764. # [17:15] <opsec> you'll be like marty from back to the future
  765. # [17:15] <ErayAydin> but I think its not a good
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  767. # [17:16] <opsec> "hello, can anyone teach me to think?"
  768. # [17:16] <ErayAydin> opsec ? I'm not need a project, I need project's main category
  769. # [17:16] <ErayAydin> I'm not said "tell me a project"
  770. # [17:16] <opsec> "kittens"
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  772. # [17:17] <ErayAydin> What is your problem opsec ? I'm not said "make a project for me"
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  775. # [17:17] <opsec> ErayAydin: all the webs.
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  777. # [17:18] <ErayAydin> I said "what you want in a opentechnology.com domain"
  778. # [17:18] <ErayAydin> what you expect with this domain ?
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  780. # [17:19] <ErayAydin> Open Source Programs ? Technology News ? Programming Tutorials ?
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  801. # [17:35] <Confus> for anyone interested: https://github.com/emi420/Mootor
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