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  1. # Session Start: Wed Jan 07 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
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  12. # [00:08] <Xtrivity> Hi Guys, If I have an object that I fetch remotely say something like var obj = { "img": "img1.jpg", "video":"videoname1.mp4", "text":"text"} and I want to cache that using HTML5 caching... if that object is dynamic.. (say I ask it to pull again...) will it re-pull all of the images or does html5 do some magical checksum ot see if the files are the same?
  13. # [00:11] <moo-_-> Xtrivity: you set caching headers on actual image and video files
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  15. # [00:11] <moo-_-> Xtrivity: and browsers won't reload them until the expire time passes
  16. # [00:12] <moo-_-> Xtrivity: if you need to expire the cache then you can do it by generating and extra query get parameter on url
  17. # [00:12] <Xtrivity> moo-_-, say I have a carousel scrolling through images and videos... If I hit the "update" on the backend, I want the page to pull only the new content and not have to re-download all of the old content.
  18. # [00:12] <Xtrivity> but if say img1.jpg changes to a new updated img1.jpg, I want to make sure that it pulls the new img1.jpg
  19. # [00:12] <moo-_-> Xtrivity: you will serve updated images and videos to different URL
  20. # [00:13] <moo-_-> Xtrivity: for example, by adding timestamp to image and video URL on save.
  21. # [00:13] <moo-_-> if the URL timestamp changes browser redownloads
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  23. # [00:13] <Xtrivity> moo-_-, yeah, I understand how using a get param can clear the cache, but I want to say ajax a new object and have it pull.
  24. # [00:14] <moo-_-> Xtrivity: ah
  25. # [00:14] <moo-_-> so you want to get notification when the backend updates and change the page in real time?
  26. # [00:14] <Xtrivity> I want to add new entries, but only ones that don't exist, and overwrite old ones.
  27. # [00:14] <Xtrivity> but if there are none ot replace, I want to keep the existing ones in place.
  28. # [00:14] <Xtrivity> essentailly almost version control like GIT, but that's overkill now that i've been looking at memcache's capabilities.
  29. # [00:15] <moo-_-> you diff the content of existing data and old data. then you act according to diff (add/update/remove)
  30. # [00:15] <moo-_-> how that happens is specific to your carousel data and I guess there is no general answer
  31. # [00:16] <Xtrivity> moo-_-, now I am wondering. is there a way to differentiate. To do this the long way I would add a checksum to each image and attach that image into
  32. # [00:16] <moo-_-> Xtrivity: yes
  33. # [00:16] <moo-_-> or timestamp when image was saved
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  35. # [00:17] <moo-_-> both serve equally well
  36. # [00:18] <Xtrivity> moo-_-, now I wont cache the .js, simply the media files. If i pull an object but i'm using html5 caching, I can still pull new media such as a video from that object and it will populate the "carousel"
  37. # [00:18] <Xtrivity> or will I need to do a page load due to caching the images.
  38. # [00:18] <moo-_-> Xtrivity: I am not sure what are you asking here
  39. # [00:18] <moo-_-> do you mean you cache the .js with media data?
  40. # [00:20] <Xtrivity> Okay say i have img1, img2, img3 scrolling through my app. then using the backend I am going to want to replace img2 and add img4. Assuming I don't cache the .js file and only the images, will img4 download locally and populate, and is there a way to refresh img2 using the html5 cache properties. I've been digging a bit, but haven't seem to found an concrete answer.
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  120. # [00:23] <moo-_-> Xtrivity: forget html5 cache
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  122. # [00:23] <moo-_-> what you are dealing with are HTTP response cache headers
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  124. # [00:23] <moo-_-> and most likely the answer to your question what you are thinking is "no"
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  126. # [00:23] <moo-_-> you don't have explicit control over browser cache
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  131. # [00:25] <Xtrivity> moo-_-, I am working on an app, so I am more interested in html5 cache as opposed to response cache headers.
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  134. # [00:26] <moo-_-> Xtrivity: there is no API to tell html5 manifest cache or appCache to expire certain object
  135. # [00:26] <moo-_-> in fact whole html5 appcache is quite a mess and my suggestion is steer away from it if possible
  136. # [00:27] <moo-_-> there is work to replace it with more functioning solution in the future
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  160. # [00:35] <Xtrivity> thx moo-_- I'll do a bit more research and see what I conclude with
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  488. # [11:36] <razieliyo> hi
  489. # [11:38] <razieliyo> is anyone familiar with schema.org for adding semantics to a site?
  490. # [11:41] <razieliyo> I just wanted to know if it's ok with splitting semantic info in the same page in several divs
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  498. # [11:56] <razieliyo> said nothing :D
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  502. # [12:08] <DOm__> hey guys
  503. # [12:08] <DOm__> i have a question
  504. # [12:09] <DOm__> how do i make grid like this with bootstrap
  505. # [12:09] <DOm__> http://prntscr.com/5phycb
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  507. # [12:15] <DomantasD> Hey guys
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  509. # [12:16] <DomantasD> http://prntscr.com/5phycb how to make grid like this
  510. # [12:17] <DomantasD> any advices
  511. # [12:17] <DomantasD> bootstrap
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  727. # [17:43] <peterp> Hello all. I have a select box with a list of options. Issue is when nothing is selected, it still POSTS to the server with the first value. Is there a way around this?
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  899. # [21:25] <Guest61063> Hi guys
  900. # [21:25] <Guest61063> Active channel?
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  936. # [22:00] <Guest61063> Hi
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