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  375. # [14:16] <cheeti> hi i am linking image to pdf and i want to link this pdf to href mailto how this is possible
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  379. # [14:28] <cheeti> hi i am linking image to pdf and i want to link this pdf to href mailto how this is possible
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  490. # [17:54] <devpoint> Curious about meta tags. Some sources list vastly different meta names than, say (MDN and MetaExtensions. Who's right?
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  492. # [17:57] <devpoint> crickets . . . ?
  493. # [17:57] <Ms2ger> They're pretty much all useless
  494. # [17:58] <devpoint> Says who? There are some very substantial sites that use them.
  495. # [17:58] <Ms2ger> A lot of people have thought "if I just add some metadata in the meta elements, people will do something useful with that information"
  496. # [17:58] <Ms2ger> Mostly, that hasn't happened
  497. # [17:58] <devpoint> Agreed, but does that make them entirely useless?
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  499. # [18:00] <Ms2ger> Most of them, I'd say yes
  500. # [18:01] <devpoint> You might, but how do you account for many substantial sites that use them?
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  502. # [18:01] <Ms2ger> "People do weird things"? :)
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  504. # [18:02] <Ms2ger> Or maybe more "People do things they think are useful, even if that's not necessarily the case"
  505. # [18:02] <cquilty> Why is the completely redundant <!DOCTYPE html> line required even in the HTML 5 spec? Why didn't they take the opportunity to finally get rid of that nonsense and bake it into the <html> element which always follows it anyway? For example, <html5>, or <html version="5">?
  506. # [18:03] <cquilty> Upon asking this in the troll-infested shithole that is #web, I got banned. They cannot take anyone who questions anything for any reason.
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  517. # [18:19] <cquilty> https://validator.w3.org/ <-- Why does it say " This instance of the validator is either a development version used for testing purposes, or a local copy of the W3C Markup Validator software used for development and testing purposes.
  518. # [18:19] <cquilty> The official validation service supported by the W3C is at validator.w3.org."?!
  519. # [18:19] <cquilty> 248 people and nobody talking...
  520. # [18:20] <dahlfors_> cquilty: https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/syntax.html#the-doctype
  521. # [18:20] <dahlfors_> "DOCTYPEs are required for legacy reasons. When omitted, browsers tend to use a different rendering mode that is incompatible with some specifications. Including the DOCTYPE in a document ensures that the browser makes a best-effort attempt at following the relevant specifications." - I think that is the answer for why it is needed
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  523. # [18:21] <dahlfors_> I don't know any other answer to "why" at least
  524. # [18:21] <cquilty> dahlfors_: If it doesn't know about HTML 5 in the first place... why does that matter?
  525. # [18:22] <cquilty> It = the browser.
  526. # [18:22] <dahlfors_> it tells browsers to render the page with quirks mode or standards mode
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  528. # [18:23] <dahlfors_> I bet there are corner cases that made them decide that doctype was better. you'll have to ask the people who created the spec. whatwg & w3
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  530. # [18:23] <cquilty> dahlfors_: If it doesn't know about HTML 5 (or just doesn't support it), what does it matter what it does with the page?
  531. # [18:23] <cquilty> I just find it very, very strange that they used it to begin with, but especially that they kept it (even if it's less verbose) in HTML 5.
  532. # [18:24] <dahlfors_> I'm not sure. I just know what the spec says about it
  533. # [18:24] <cquilty> Also, what about the validator.w3.org that apparently is some sort of beta?
  534. # [18:24] <cquilty> I can't find any "stable" version of it. Did they change this recently?
  535. # [18:25] <dahlfors_> I think the w3 html5 validator has been beta for a long time
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  537. # [18:25] <cquilty> The output is odd. It doesn't give a clear answer as to whether a given page is "OK" or not.
  538. # [18:25] <cquilty> Maybe that's part of the new philosophy with HTML 5 or something.
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  541. # [18:27] <dahlfors_> hmmm. haven't seen that alert before on validator. might be some testing going on there
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  641. # [21:02] <graphettion> Is there any point in using anything below HTML5?
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  643. # [21:05] <graphettion> They are rendered useless and deprecated to me.
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  649. # [21:09] <jrtappers> If I have a seperate html file in an invisible iframe and use an appcache there will the items in the main page also use the cached copies?
  650. # [21:17] <jrtappers> Is that a valid way to not cache the actual html file?
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  678. # [21:56] <__izy__> \help
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  681. # [21:57] <dahlfors_> graphettion: if you really need to support some ancient stuff, yes. otherwise, no - go with html5
  682. # [21:57] <graphettion> Pretty much pointless then, gotcha.
  683. # [21:58] <graphettion> Even with polyfills and shims.
  684. # [21:58] <graphettion> ty dahlfors_
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  691. # [22:06] <graphettion> Also, I heard: <!doctype html> is actually the best supported in old browsers. so you should always be using the html5 doctype, regardless.
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  715. # [22:41] <starmaze> and it's not a mozilla hack but pure html? <textarea> (html). textaria is what I want right? not a multiline input box or something?
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  746. # [23:50] <disappeared> how do i get safari to disable autofilling fields…autocomplete=“off” doesn’t seem to work
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