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  638. # [11:25] <tord> hi
  639. # [11:26] <tord> does any one know how to force a video height, i get a blank screen when i set it in css
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  667. # [12:44] <Robertto> Hello guys
  668. # [12:44] <Robertto> Does anyone know php? (Sorry but I cannot join on php chatroom)
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  670. # [12:45] <Sharaal> Robertto: you must be registered at the irc server to join that room
  671. # [12:45] <Sharaal> but you can just ask your php question, perhaps I can help you
  672. # [12:46] <Robertto> Ahh I understand
  673. # [12:46] <Robertto> It´s something very easy, I´m sure
  674. # [12:46] <Sharaal> (at least if you mean ##php)
  675. # [12:46] <Robertto> Do you want I write you a pm?
  676. # [12:46] <Sharaal> I think you can write here, we are more or less alone here :D
  677. # [12:46] <Robertto> okay, no problem :)
  678. # [12:47] <Sharaal> the activity in this room here is not very high
  679. # [12:47] <Robertto> I was doing some exercises, I will explain you it:
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  681. # [12:49] <Robertto> It´s very sample, just a php document with 3 images. The exercise consist about create dynamical "ALT´s" for the three images (using date functions and array)
  682. # [12:49] <zagaza^> is it ok put <section> inside <form> ?
  683. # [12:49] <zagaza^> ok to put*
  684. # [12:50] <Robertto> Zagaza the form it´s with another elements?
  685. # [12:53] <Robertto> Sharaal?
  686. # [12:54] <Sharaal> Robertto: y? I wait for the question ^^
  687. # [12:55] <Sharaal> Robertto: general if I understand it right: <img src="…" alt="<?= 'some php things returning a string' ?>">
  688. # [12:56] <Robertto> I will paste here my php block (one second)
  689. # [12:57] <Robertto> <?php
  690. # [12:57] <Robertto> $nombreMes = date('M');
  691. # [12:57] <Robertto> $nombreMes = strtolower($nombreMes);
  692. # [12:57] <Robertto> $numeroMes = date('n');
  693. # [12:57] <Robertto> $alt_especiales = array(
  694. # [12:57] <Robertto> 'Junio Especial: Té de Nueces y Menta',
  695. # [12:57] <Robertto> 'Julio Especial: Té Refrescante de Cítricos',
  696. # [12:57] <Robertto> 'Agosto: Té Green Matcha en Polvo'
  697. # [12:57] <Robertto> );
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  699. # [12:57] <Sharaal> better never paste multiple lines into the chatroom, use always pasteservices like http://pastebin.com/ or gist :)
  700. # [12:57] <Robertto> Ohh sorry!
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  704. # [13:01] <Robertto> one second Sharall, now I will show you the div with the img and the alt
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  710. # [13:02] <Robertto> http://pastebin.com/GdCXW2rZ
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  712. # [13:03] <Robertto> and this is the error i´m having : http://prntscr.com/80ofvd
  713. # [13:03] <Sharaal> Robertto: so the exercise is to have one image, but three alt contents and rotate the alt content depends on the time?
  714. # [13:03] * tord is now known as tordmunk
  715. # [13:05] <Sharaal> Robertto: date('n') give you the number of the month from 1 till 12. but you only have 3 elements in your array of alt contents. thats the problem. currently its month 8, so 8 - 1 will use the index 7 of the array which doesn't exist
  716. # [13:06] <Sharaal> Robertto: if you want to rotate you should do something like alt="<?= $alt_especiales[$numeroMes % count($array)]; ?>"
  717. # [13:06] <Sharaal> so use the number of the month modulo the amount of elements in the array
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  720. # [13:14] <Robertto> ahhhh you are right! In fact on the video the teacher used 12 months
  721. # [13:15] <Sharaal> yes, with 12 alt texts it works without modulo
  722. # [13:17] <Robertto> on """....count($array)]; ?>" I must change $ãrray by $alt_especiales , right?
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  724. # [13:17] <Sharaal> yes, I forgot the name of the variable you used :)
  725. # [13:18] <Robertto> I´m going to try now! :)
  726. # [13:18] <Sharaal> and try to use always "<?= …" instead of "<?php echo …" its more readable
  727. # [13:19] <Sharaal> and switch as fast as you can to a real template engine, avoid mixing html with php
  728. # [13:19] <Sharaal> but for small tries its ok :)
  729. # [13:19] <Robertto> like "smarty"?
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  731. # [13:20] <Sharaal> Never heard something about smarty in the last years, I would say twig is the current standard because its the standard render engine in symfony
  732. # [13:21] <Robertto> Ahhh okay :)
  733. # [13:21] <Robertto> As you can see, I´m so noob xddd
  734. # [13:21] <Sharaal> all of us started as noobs in the past :)
  735. # [13:21] <Robertto> and it´s easy to work with twig?
  736. # [13:22] <Sharaal> yes, very easy
  737. # [13:23] <Robertto> thanks :)
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  811. # [15:19] <metres> Hi all, anyone here used the picture tag ? when I resize firefox, it does not changes image, I need to reload to see the good one... anyone knows what I miss? ( I tried picturefill.js without success )
  812. # [15:20] <Sharaal> metres: I think thats the definition, its only for initial loading, not for rezizing
  813. # [15:20] <Sharaal> metres: and no, I don't and wouldn't use it, picture tag is at moment useless because no mobile browser support
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  818. # [15:25] <metres> Thanks Sharaal, it's damage, the concept is good...
  819. # [15:26] <Sharaal> metres: yes, it would be a first good thing in that direction
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  822. # [15:27] <Sharaal> there are so much more possible image optimizations which ends in there detailed solutions you must use to support them
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  824. # [15:27] <Sharaal> like "load lower quality images if having only mobile connection, high quality on lan/wlan"
  825. # [15:28] <Sharaal> or "load browser specific image formats which are better as png"
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  827. # [15:29] <metres> or even svg... I used a fonticon on my last site and it is pretty nice...
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  830. # [15:31] <Sharaal> yes
  831. # [15:31] <Sharaal> but I think most websites doesn't need that things
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  845. # [16:09] <OlivierVm> Hi is there a way to have form required message in several language ?
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  847. # [16:12] <Sharaal> OlivierVm: you mean the browser validation feature with <input … require>? I never tried it, but I would assume the browser will display the messages depends on the language in the browser settings
  848. # [16:12] <OlivierVm> oki depend on browser settings ? what happened on site in multi-language ?
  849. # [16:16] <Sharaal> the user decide with his browser settings which language he prefer. multi language sites should respect that setting for its own language. but you are not able to change this with changing the site language
  850. # [16:16] <Sharaal> but you can disable the browser error message for formulars and define own
  851. # [16:18] <OlivierVm> thanks Sharaal
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  853. # [16:20] <Sharaal> np
  854. # [16:20] <Sharaal> and care about the language for google crawler and facebook open graph, respect them too :)
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  873. # [16:39] <surs> Hi, how do I source a common part of my webpage in all html files that make up the parts?
  874. # [16:39] <surs> specifically the nav bar?
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  884. # [16:46] <Sharaal> surs: use a server/client side render engine
  885. # [16:46] <Sharaal> surs: with only html there are no good solutions, some webserver thingies but nothing I would use
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  889. # [16:50] <surs> Sharaal: I'm new to this, what's the preferred approach to provide the common parts of a website / webapplication ?
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  891. # [16:51] <Sharaal> surs: depends on what server side language you use, what kind of website it is
  892. # [16:51] <Sharaal> surs: I use node.js as server side language and swig as template render engine: http://paularmstrong.github.io/swig/
  893. # [16:51] <surs> I have a node server, and basically I have n individual pages that allow the user to in put some information into a form. At the bottom he should be able to hit a button that takes the form's content and saves it into an xml on the server
  894. # [16:52] <surs> the navbar should allow him to switch between the forms and log in / out
  895. # [16:53] <Sharaal> (I wouldn't save the xml as files on the server if you do this, use a database for that)
  896. # [16:53] <surs> no, needs to be xml because another application only accepts xml
  897. # [16:53] <surs> it's not a permanent storage
  898. # [16:53] <Sharaal> xml doesn't mean it must be files
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  900. # [16:53] <surs> the xml file then will be deleted
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  902. # [16:54] <surs> the other application can only be fed data in the form of xml (or manual input, but it's not accessible to my users)
  903. # [16:55] <Sharaal> but for the part question: in swig you have two approaches, define the structure which will be used for every page with navigation and footer for example and a defined content area which switches with every page, more or less, its more like that, but for the first impression ^^
  904. # [16:55] <surs> ok
  905. # [16:55] <Sharaal> the other appraoch is to include navigation into every page you use it, but needs to change every page if you want to include a footer too and so on
  906. # [16:55] <surs> I'll look up swig
  907. # [16:55] <surs> right..
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  909. # [16:58] <Sharaal> if you want, have a look at http://webserver-skeleton.herokuapp.com/ and the code behind the page https://github.com/dragonnodejs/webserver-skeleton
  910. # [16:59] <Sharaal> the structure and the navigation is included in the layout: https://github.com/dragonnodejs/webserver-skeleton/blob/master/views/layout.html.twig and in this template there is a {% block content %}{% endblock %}
  911. # [16:59] <Sharaal> the homepage use this layout and just fill the content block: https://github.com/dragonnodejs/webserver-skeleton/blob/master/views/homepage.html.twig
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  913. # [17:00] <Sharaal> you can define as many blocks you want with individual names
  914. # [17:01] <surs> thank yu
  915. # [17:01] <surs> you*
  916. # [17:01] <Sharaal> be welcome :)
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  1082. # [22:44] <tyho> I am writing a webmail client, I need to safely display user submitted HTML (from multipart emails). I could write a input sanatizer but I would likely get it wrong. I thought of using an iframe with the sandbox attribute: http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/embedded-content-0.html#attr-iframe-sandbox. One concern I have which is not mentioned, is how browsers that do not support the sandbox attribute behave upon seeing such an iframe. The attribute seems quite useless if s
  1083. # [22:44] <tyho> omebody comes along in UA that just ignores the standard and starts running scripts on the sandbox.
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