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  64. # [02:13] <Nairwolf> Hi, I wonder if it's a good habit to use text between the tag <div>...</div> Is it okay, or is it better to use a tag <p> or <h1> inside ?
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  68. # [02:21] <Nairwolf> other question, I use only <div> tag (with classes of course). I don't care about SEO (because it's not for web). Do I need to be more orgqnized by using for example <section>
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  70. # [02:23] <Nairwolf> Here ( https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/section ) they say that "Do not use the <section> element as a generic container; this is what <div> is for, especially when the sectioning is only for styling purposes. A rule of thumb is that a section should logically appear in the outline of a document." What do you think about that ?
  71. # [02:24] <Nairwolf> If I use <section> with different class, it's better to use <div> ?
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  88. # [03:03] <wowaname> hi
  89. # [03:03] <wowaname> Nairwolf it depends on your content
  90. # [03:03] <wowaname> divs are for styling usually, so are spans
  91. # [03:04] <wowaname> paragraph tags are for paragraphs as the name suggests
  92. # [03:04] <wowaname> section tags... they're for sections of an article
  93. # [03:05] <wowaname> so like you have a h1, your article, and in that article may have h2s with sections
  94. # [03:05] <wowaname> divs are in no way obsolete; theyre just for a certain use like everything else
  95. # [03:06] <Nairwolf> thank you wowaname
  96. # [03:06] <wowaname> yeah
  97. # [03:06] <wowaname> i come from the olden days of xhtml lol
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  99. # [03:07] <Nairwolf> but, in fact, it just semantic, right ? My objective is just to test some javascript3d transformations. But, I just wonder what is the best to use in html
  100. # [03:07] <wowaname> html5 is nice for accessibility though, just wish some sites would be better at designing
  101. # [03:07] <wowaname> well if its that, i would suggest div to keep it simple
  102. # [03:08] <Nairwolf> yes
  103. # [03:08] <wowaname> but in an actual webpage, do your html first as to have a good structure, THEN style it
  104. # [03:08] <wowaname> people miss this part
  105. # [03:08] <Nairwolf> but, with that you need to add class attributes each time. I'll add some <section> tag and <header> tag
  106. # [03:08] <Nairwolf> indeed
  107. # [03:08] <wowaname> classes never hurt anyone :p
  108. # [03:09] <Nairwolf> I understand better html now
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  110. # [03:09] <wowaname> i would actually make it a habit to class and id a lot of your stuff if they fit obvious categories
  111. # [03:09] <wowaname> makes life easier for stylish users
  112. # [03:09] <wowaname> custom user css, etc
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  114. # [03:10] <wowaname> but yeah if header and article/section tags describe your content well, go for it
  115. # [03:11] <Nairwolf> there is no text in fact, just some titles and button
  116. # [03:11] <wowaname> oh
  117. # [03:11] <wowaname> divs then lol
  118. # [03:11] <wowaname> thats what i would do
  119. # [03:11] <Nairwolf> ok
  120. # [03:11] <wowaname> fall back to html 4 if you can
  121. # [03:11] <wowaname> lol
  122. # [03:12] <Nairwolf> lol, I haven't learn html4
  123. # [03:12] <wowaname> my philosophy is if you dont need anything special html5 offers then dont specify html5
  124. # [03:12] <wowaname> html4 is easy
  125. # [03:12] <Nairwolf> I need opengl
  126. # [03:13] <wowaname> oh
  127. # [03:13] <wowaname> nvm then
  128. # [03:13] <Nairwolf> I don't know if it's something specific with html5
  129. # [03:13] <wowaname> idk either
  130. # [03:13] <wowaname> canvas tags are html5
  131. # [03:13] <wowaname> if thats what youre doing
  132. # [03:14] <Nairwolf> in fact, I have to use css3 animation
  133. # [03:14] <Nairwolf> I don'
  134. # [03:14] <Nairwolf> I also don't know if I really need html5 for that
  135. # [03:14] <Nairwolf> I use 3d cube, but, I suppose it's thanks to css
  136. # [03:14] <wowaname> css3 is independent i think
  137. # [03:15] <Nairwolf> ok
  138. # [03:15] <Nairwolf> but, it's okay, i prefer to change some div tags into header for example
  139. # [03:15] <Nairwolf> it's more easy so read
  140. # [03:15] <Nairwolf> easier
  141. # [03:16] <Nairwolf> but, for web browser, as soon as there is a style defined, the web browser don't care if it's a div, a header, or a section tag, right ?
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  143. # [03:18] <Nairwolf> and for text inside a block element, it's better to use an inline-tag as <hx> or <p> right ?
  144. # [03:19] <Nairwolf> If I do that : <header>this is my title</header. It's a bad habit, right ?
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  147. # [03:24] <Nairwolf> nested section is allowed ?
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  157. # [03:54] <Nairwolf> wowaname, can I show you my html page ?
  158. # [03:54] <wowaname> sure
  159. # [03:55] <Nairwolf> look here : http://jsfiddle.net/uw20hz1z/
  160. # [03:55] <wowaname> Nairwolf when you say the browser wont care, that isnt entirely truw
  161. # [03:55] <wowaname> true
  162. # [03:55] <Nairwolf> You don't really need to see the result because without css, it's not really beautiful
  163. # [03:55] <wowaname> css dodsnt have to be loaded
  164. # [03:57] <wowaname> i dont have a desktop browser rn so none of that works for me lol sorry
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  166. # [03:58] <Nairwolf> how can I past you the code, so ?
  167. # [03:59] <Nairwolf> why it's not entirely true ? If I use CSS in the both case, the result should be the same, no ?
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  171. # [04:14] <wowaname> i mean i could see the code but im lazy
  172. # [04:15] <wowaname> the tags you use can be interpreted differently in different browsers a d setups
  173. # [04:15] <wowaname> css is for styling not for structure, and html is for structure not for styling
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  175. # [04:20] <Nairwolf> yes, that's why I would like if you could look my structure.
  176. # [04:20] <Nairwolf> I'll do the styling after
  177. # [04:21] <Nairwolf> Just to know if I respect good practises.
  178. # [04:21] <Nairwolf> But, if you're too lazy, it doesn't matter ;)
  179. # [04:23] <wowaname> sorry lol
  180. # [04:23] <wowaname> my laptop needs fixing
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  182. # [04:25] <Nairwolf> ok
  183. # [04:29] <Nairwolf> Can you tell me by the way, if it's better to have text inside paragraph or not ?
  184. # [04:29] <wowaname> well yeah a paragraph is for texg
  185. # [04:29] <Nairwolf> What is the best practise ? <header>title</header> or <header><h1>tite</h1></header>
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  188. # [04:31] <wowaname> the first one isnt right at all
  189. # [04:31] <wowaname> the second is better
  190. # [04:31] <wowaname> depending on context you may jjst need h1
  191. # [04:32] <Nairwolf> and if you change header by section ? Same results ?
  192. # [04:32] <Nairwolf> in which kind of context the first solution would be better ?
  193. # [04:32] <Nairwolf> I mean, it can work, but I suppose that's bad
  194. # [04:32] <wowaname> if you had like a blog post with a title, date, author
  195. # [04:32] <Nairwolf> ok
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  200. # [04:44] <Nairwolf> oh, you right. Chrome use a user agent stylesheet with my title...
  201. # [04:45] <Nairwolf> I'm going to remove the h1 tag
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  266. # [08:27] <pbiendl> Hey guys, if this is the right channel for such questions: I have an image with a srcset which is working fine, but the problem is since it has no width or height anymore, it's always 100% wide (like the parent). Someone knows how to fix this?
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  295. # [09:57] <wowaname> pbiendl this is a good place to ask that but i dont know if i can help
  296. # [09:58] <wowaname> what do you mean no width or height? theres none explicitly set or there is 0 width/height?
  297. # [09:59] <pbiendl> Well, look at this pen: http://codepen.io/pbiendl/pen/yNZWVN Why is the image 100% wide? :)
  298. # [09:59] <pbiendl> The biggest image in the srcset is only 600px wide
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  526. # [17:23] <mr_pinc> Interesting - you can create an audio element in javascript and have it play without even adding the element to the DOM
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  562. # [19:16] <dogeywoof> this is for html5 coin?
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  572. # [19:39] <sisccl> Hey buddies, i need some help
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  574. # [19:40] <sisccl> why do chrome, IE, and Firefox interpret gifs in totally different ways, and is there a way to implement them to work consistently?
  575. # [19:40] <sisccl> A .GIF File I imported into my site html executes in chrome before fully loaded, actually does it properly in IE, and doesn't load in Firefox at all....
  576. # [19:40] <sisccl> i have no idea how to do this
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  579. # [19:43] <sisccl> anyone?
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  586. # [19:57] <sisccl> nothing eh?
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  610. # [20:41] <Nairwolf> Hi, I would like to know if someone can give me a little review of my html code ? It's a litle example with 50lines. Is it better to use jsfiddle or a classic pastebin service ?
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  651. # [22:21] <Laurent`> hello, anyone here using polarity web browser ?
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  655. # [22:35] <moo-_-> Nairwolf: there is stackexchange site for those
  656. # [22:36] <moo-_-> http://codereview.stackexchange.com/
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  666. # [22:49] <Nairwolf> thank you moo ;)
  667. # [22:49] <moo-_-> no worries
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  693. # [23:32] <Nairwolf> It's done ;)
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