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  1. # Session Start: Wed Aug 19 00:00:00 2015
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  11. # [00:12] <Nairwolf> Hi, I would like to use a form on my html page, but, I would like to deal these data only with Javascript, is it possible ?
  12. # [00:13] <Nairwolf> I have several checkbox inputs, and I would like to know if it's possible to get all checkbox checked in a Javascript object ?
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  32. # [00:48] <doctorly> How hard should I enforce the 80 character rule on my html? I am struggling to see if it actually improves readability, and might even make things harder to grasp sometimes.
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  59. # [01:55] <doctrv> meh, i don't enforce that for html
  60. # [01:56] <doctrv> its hard with long tags and paragraphs
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  74. # [02:21] <wowaname> also since html preserves whitespace to an extent
  75. # [02:22] <wowaname> i never had strict html indentation rules
  76. # [02:22] <wowaname> because all of them suck
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  495. # [20:11] <snowkidind> hello. i have a long list thatdiscloses additional information when clicking on a link by making a <tr> visible. I want to click on an anchor and not scroll the page at all. Trying <a href="#check" name=check onclick=showDetails(103); >Details</a> but it puts the selection at the top of the page. I don’t want the page to move at all
  496. # [20:12] <Sharaal> dont use inline event handlers and have a look at preventDefault()
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  498. # [20:14] <snowkidind> can i do that in an anchor tag?
  499. # [20:14] <snowkidind> or do i have to not use an anchor?
  500. # [20:14] <Sharaal> you can use anchor tag
  501. # [20:15] <snowkidind> so basically add an event listener for the anchor tag and act on that with preventDefault
  502. # [20:16] <snowkidind> but there are 200 items that i need this to apply to
  503. # [20:16] <snowkidind> 200 event listeners?
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  506. # [20:17] <snowkidind> i guess one if i make them all the same name
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  512. # [20:30] <srsgores> hey guys, can anyone tell me why appcache isn't working for my site? http://next-smart-app.myaxiom.ca/
  513. # [20:30] <srsgores> it seems like the browser still re-downloads the files even when the URL is the same...
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  519. # [20:35] <newke> hello. how this site background is made? http://www.etnokosmomuziejus.lt/lt/
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  521. # [20:37] <Sharaal> snowkidind: or one event listener on the whole area/parent detects which element is clicked
  522. # [20:38] <snowkidind> there are other links within that go to other place
  523. # [20:38] <snowkidind> s
  524. # [20:38] <Sharaal> then add the 200, shouldn't be a problem
  525. # [20:39] <Sharaal> I see more a problem in show the user 200 items, thats to much, but thats another story ^^
  526. # [20:40] <snowkidind> yes i agree but i dont care that much
  527. # [20:43] <snowkidind> thanks for the tip though. i just need to figure out what to do to get it to work thats a step closer
  528. # [20:44] <Sharaal> be welcome
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  533. # [20:52] <snowkidind> ok good i got it.
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  535. # [20:52] <snowkidind> i just iterated over everything and added a listener
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  550. # [21:15] <Lacoste> hello!
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  552. # [21:15] <Lacoste> is there anybody who can help me to choose a new laptop?
  553. # [21:15] <srsgores_> Lacoste: wrong channel
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  555. # [21:16] <Lacoste> Yes yes, I know it´s a big offtopic
  556. # [21:16] <Lacoste> but i´m also a frontend
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  558. # [21:17] <Lacoste> Can you reccomend me any channel?
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  561. # [21:20] <srsgores_> Lacoste: #programming might be more suitable
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  564. # [21:22] <Lacoste> thanks!!
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  570. # [21:32] <sisccl> hey guys
  571. # [21:32] <sisccl> I have a simple question. You know that nav bar you make with HTML that sticks to the top of the page in every page? How do people get that to appear in every html page? Is it a simple copy and paste of the code into the beggining of every page so they all consistently have the same setup and nav bar and you use the same CSS across all pages, or is it done with PHP or Javascript?
  572. # [21:33] <srsgores_> sisccl: you can use position: sticky in your CSS; for the second question, that's called critical path CSS, and it's recommended to speed up page loads, specifically for persistent items across all pages
  573. # [21:33] <sisccl> srsgores_: I don’t believe you can href in css though?
  574. # [21:34] <srsgores_> sisccl: Why do you need href?
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  576. # [21:35] <sisccl> srsgores_: so that the links in the navbar actually take you to the different pages? Unless I’m doing this totally wrong. I’m still kinda new to this
  577. # [21:35] <sisccl> essentially, in the <body></body> Is where I’m creating the nav bar
  578. # [21:35] <sisccl> then I position it with css and give it the div id #sidebar
  579. # [21:35] <srsgores_> sisccl: yeah, read up more. You're doing it wrong. href is in your HTML
  580. # [21:35] <sisccl> but I don’t want to have to throw in that body code in every page if I can help it
  581. # [21:36] <sisccl> srsgores_: Yes I know HREF is in html, I’ve been creating my sidebar in HTML, I don’t believe there’s a way to create links in CSS
  582. # [21:36] <srsgores_> sisccl: don't use IDs
  583. # [21:36] <sisccl> srsgores_: Really? Do you mean I should use classes instead?
  584. # [21:36] <srsgores_> sisccl: I don't understand your question
  585. # [21:36] <srsgores_> sisccl: NEVER use IDs unless ABSOLUTELY necessary
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  587. # [21:37] <Yoduza> Where is manul for HTML-HTML5 differents ?
  588. # [21:38] <Yoduza> *manual
  589. # [21:38] <srsgores_> Yoduza: when you joined this channel: https://developers.whatwg.org/
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  593. # [21:39] <Sharaal> sisccl: use server side (php, node.js, …) or client side (angular.js, react) rendering so have on every page the same navigation without copying the HTML into every .html file. make it sticky with CSS to have it always on the top even you scroll down
  594. # [21:40] <sisccl> Sharaal: Thank you, this was the answer I needed :D
  595. # [21:40] <Yoduza> thank you srsgores_
  596. # [21:40] <Sharaal> sisccl: be welcome
  597. # [21:40] <srsgores_> sisccl: ignore Sharaal; you should use HTML includes instead
  598. # [21:40] <sisccl> UGGGHHHH lol, so many mixed opinions, I have no idea what’s going on lol
  599. # [21:41] <srsgores_> sisccl: sorry, acutally that's pretty much what he said
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  601. # [21:41] <sisccl> lol
  602. # [21:41] <sisccl> so it is done with php
  603. # [21:41] <srsgores_> sisccl: something like what aurelia does, but i recommend polyfilling the feature: http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/webcomponents/imports/
  604. # [21:41] <Sharaal> srsgores_: you mean the proprietary webserver html includes no one want to use and maintain it?
  605. # [21:43] <srsgores_> sisccl: you don't (and shouldn't) need any server-side languages. You should only use pure HTML if you are starting out
  606. # [21:43] <sisccl> srsgores_: That’s what I’m trying to do
  607. # [21:43] <Sharaal> no he will need html with client side polyfill libraries ^^
  608. # [21:44] <Sharaal> but yes, webcomponents are a future oriented option
  609. # [21:44] <sisccl> srsgores_: So it looks like what the documentation you lead me to says is the css imports the sidebar I created in HTML and then distributes it to all .html pages that the css is imported into?
  610. # [21:44] <sisccl> also, why are ID’s bad?
  611. # [21:44] <sisccl> Without ID’s how do I edit specific Divs in my css?
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  613. # [21:45] <sisccl> I know classes are styling options I create in CSS that I can add to various elements to give them that same style, such as border: 10px solid black; etc. I thought ID’s though were specific names to edit specific elements in CSS?
  614. # [21:45] <Sharaal> you should use classes to group same elements with having the same formatting and avoid to use specialized css for specific elements
  615. # [21:45] <srsgores_> sisccl: focus on one thing at a time. For your HTML imports, it's like Sharaal said -- you will need to polyfill the implementation to get it to work on all browsers. See http://www.onextrapixel.com/2014/09/01/html5-imports-embedding-an-html-file-inside-another-html-file/
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  617. # [21:45] <sisccl> Sharaal: Yes that’s what I mean, you put it much more elegantly than me heh
  618. # [21:46] <Sharaal> with IDs it ends in every piece of your page looks different, thats not the way you should go
  619. # [21:46] <sisccl> All this fancy jargon is wearing me out. I’ve made full websites before, i’m just trying to learn how to do it PROPERLY now, without thousands of lines of excess code heh
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  621. # [21:47] <Sharaal> well, the polyfills will have the thousands of lines, but it doesn't matter, just use them and be happy
  622. # [21:48] <Sharaal> (polyfills are only workarounds to have features of upcoming html standards nowdays in the browsers which doesn't already support the new features)
  623. # [21:48] <sisccl> What’s the difference between editing a div and editing a div with an ID though? I haven’t come acress this problem you speak of?
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  625. # [21:48] <srsgores_> Sharaal: exactly; and in most cases, they will never be loaded if you do things right and use async
  626. # [21:48] <Sharaal> ofc they will be loaded
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  629. # [21:49] <Sharaal> sisccl: better have a <div class="navigation"></div> as a <div id="navigation"></div> it allows you to have multiple navigations on the same page. just more flexible
  630. # [21:49] <srsgores_> Sharaal: minor point -- it depends on the polyfill
  631. # [21:50] <sisccl> Why would I want multiple navigations? If i edit that class in CSS it’d be to put it at the top of the page as a position absolute or possibly even a position relative. All my navigations with the same class would be in the same area overlapping? I don’t see the benefit?
  632. # [21:51] <Sharaal> srsgores_: no its not a minor point, its the large disadvantage of polyfills, its javascript which must be loaded to work, will slow down the page and so on. but most time it doesn't matter
  633. # [21:51] <sisccl> I started a whole debate haha
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  636. # [21:54] <sisccl> ?
  637. # [21:54] <Sharaal> but in case of html import feature I think it matters, because I'm pretty sure using it nowdays with polyfill is not SEO friendly
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  639. # [21:56] <Sharaal> sisccl: hard to explain I think why classes > ids ^^ just think about that for most elements it makes sense to use classes to be able to use them multiple times and in the cases you have them only one time it doesn't matter if they have an id or a class. so just use everywhere classes is not the worst thing
  640. # [21:57] <sisccl> Sharaal: Hmm. So if I wanted a different nav bar for a diff html page I could use the class to position it in the same area. makes sense. I’ll just use class for everything then, thanks :D
  641. # [21:57] <Sharaal> sisccl: if SEO is a topic for you, you wil need server side rendering. the alternatives are not that easy or just crap
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  645. # [21:57] <srsgores_> Sharaal: no, not really. A well-designed and implemented polyfill will only be needed at the time when the browser fails to pass the test. For example, we load a test out of modernizr, then if it passes, append a script element to the DOM. This was the whole point of yepnope before it got depreciated. And of course, the classic example of conditional IE statements, in which case the polyfills NEVER load outside of IE...
  646. # [21:58] <sisccl> Sharaal: I’m a teensy bit familiar with JQuery. I used it to create an auto scroll down to the screen div with a timeout, and then if you scroll within 6 seconds the timeout is deleted and it doesn’t scroll you. That was fun figuring out for me, took me 2 days. Im coding illiterate heh
  647. # [21:58] <sisccl> Sharaal: I also get php because I’ve messed with it for owncloud, I kinda hate it though. It feels 600x more tedious to set up than basic HTML and CSS, but after set up its also 600x easier to create and edit the webpage it seems
  648. # [21:59] <srsgores_> Sharaal: crappy? Would you call polymer crappy? web components? I think those are great, HTMl5-compliant opportunities which should be seized by any starting developer
  649. # [21:59] <Sharaal> srsgores_: never used them, which browsers already support webcomponents?
  650. # [21:59] <Sharaal> srsgores_: does the google crawler supports it?
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  652. # [22:00] <srsgores_> Sharaal: http://caniuse.com/#search=components
  653. # [22:01] <Sharaal> so, chrome mostly, no IE no FF
  654. # [22:01] <Sharaal> and I would be surprised google crawler already support it
  655. # [22:01] <srsgores_> Sharaal: there's a polyfill, though. And polymer if you feel adventurous
  656. # [22:01] <srsgores_> Sharaal: for SEO, you just use something like prerender: https://prerender.io/
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  658. # [22:04] <Sharaal> yeah, much complexity
  659. # [22:05] <Sharaal> but a nice solution
  660. # [22:07] <Sharaal> nowdays I would prefer a node.js/swig thingy, at least for small websites like landingpages and so on
  661. # [22:07] <Sharaal> but now I'm off, good night ^^
  662. # [22:08] <srsgores_> Sharaal: but for noobs, they don't want to touch server-side at all
  663. # [22:08] <Sharaal> idc about noobs
  664. # [22:10] <sisccl> Oh hey, have you guys ever gotten this “Your website may be hacked” Google error? I scanned with 4 different programs, did a malware check on the server, and the google webmaster console shows me what they think is me being “hacked” but it’s a legitimate change. I had to file for a review but no one will visit my site until they remove that link….This is a real concern.
  665. # [22:11] <srsgores_> sisccl: PM me the URL; DO NOT POST THE URL
  666. # [22:12] <sisccl> srsgores_: Why shouldn’t I post it? Are there assholes in here willing to hack me lol?
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  669. # [22:16] <srsgores_> sisccl: it's because even though browsers are sandboxed, some exploits can still be malicious to some older browsers (ahem, IE). I doubt any of the people here are using such browsers, but it's best to keep their security in mind
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  678. # [22:34] <sisccl> God damn, someone injected some javascript into my website. Motherfkers
  679. # [22:35] <Yoduza> Lol
  680. # [22:35] <sisccl> Now I gotta find this shit and fix it. Motherfkers
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  693. # [22:55] <sisccl> So guys, so I get this error http://pastebin.com/4HW5eyrJ but I can’t quite find out where this JS has been injected. Can anyone lead me in the right track?
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