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  1. # Session Start: Tue Aug 25 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
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  5. # [00:05] <multiipass> hey kittycats, so is html and css going to become the primary OS ui design tool in the next 4 years?
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  20. # [00:14] <dahlfors_> multiipass: in open source graphical environments - maybe. for windows / os x / android / ios - I doubt it.
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  22. # [00:14] <multiipass> huh
  23. # [00:14] <multiipass> but it seems so promising!
  24. # [00:14] <multiipass> publish everywhere, open source everything
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  26. # [00:15] <dahlfors_> the current trend for microsoft & apple is to lock people into their platforms. why would they want it?
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  28. # [00:16] <dahlfors_> and ms focuses on businesses and backwards compatibility with their system
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  236. # [11:52] <kiuma> hello, does <meta property="x" have the same meaning of <meta name="x" ?
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  291. # [15:03] <e_carter> Anyone here make HTML5 games for hire?
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  301. # [15:32] <adf> hi
  302. # [15:33] <adf> is there any easy way to copy automatically the text of a website or do i need to analyse the sourcecode?
  303. # [15:36] <adf> any idea?
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  326. # [16:31] <txtsd> what
  327. # [16:31] <txtsd> Did he just mean ctrl+A,ctrl+C?
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  335. # [16:51] <Mk2Brett> Hello
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  379. # [18:12] <e_carter> Why is it so hard to find an HTML5 developer for a game?
  380. # [18:13] <e_carter> Every forum is littered with requests but no offers
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  383. # [18:15] <Sharaal> e_carter: because most people who search for developers doesn't know anything about the topic
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  386. # [18:16] <Sharaal> there are so much requests which sounds like crap, why should I as developer say in this cases "yes, ofc I will do it for you"
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  388. # [18:16] <dahlfors_> pay well, and search for developers to hire and you'll find
  389. # [18:17] <Sharaal> thats one of the crap things, most won't pay something ^^
  390. # [18:17] <g105b> e_carter: you must be asking the wrong questions
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  392. # [18:17] <g105b> e_carter: or asking in the wrong places
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  394. # [18:17] <e_carter> I need a game developer who can give me similar functionality to a site like bitzino.com, but the game wouldn't be card based but something of my own invention.
  395. # [18:18] <e_carter> I would handle the backend and provide any relevant artwork
  396. # [18:18] <Sharaal> payed, not payed?
  397. # [18:18] <e_carter> paid of course
  398. # [18:18] <e_carter> I tried using sites like freelancer/odesk/etc but they all require so much red-tape like proving I'm a business, using my bank account, etc WTF
  399. # [18:19] <e_carter> I don't know what all of that is necessary when you're holding bitcoins and are on IRC
  400. # [18:19] <Sharaal> I would say hire them over linkedin and co. send them interesting requests
  401. # [18:19] <e_carter> Could all be done instantly
  402. # [18:19] <g105b> e_carter: that red tape protects us developers from the number of scammers out there, unfortunately there are lots.
  403. # [18:20] <g105b> it also protects the buyers from scam developers.
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  405. # [18:20] <e_carter> Off topic but, how can a client scam?
  406. # [18:20] <e_carter> It's usually the opposite isn't it?
  407. # [18:20] <dahlfors_> no
  408. # [18:20] <e_carter> (I've been scammed so many times by 'developers' on freelance sites)
  409. # [18:20] <e_carter> if you're buying by milestones in an irreversible currency, what is there to scam?
  410. # [18:20] <g105b> e_carter: either the client doesn't pay, or the developer doesn't work.
  411. # [18:21] <dahlfors_> it's common that that client requests samples, find it good enough and rips the html5 developer off
  412. # [18:21] <dahlfors_> and never wants to pay
  413. # [18:21] <e_carter> Eww. You should always pay for a draft
  414. # [18:21] <e_carter> That's the risk the client has to take.
  415. # [18:21] <g105b> yeah I've been there - "please send us a rough prototype then we will pay $$$$$ for the real thing" *tumbleweed*
  416. # [18:21] <dahlfors_> also, it's very common for people to be looking for someone who will make them a site for the reputation
  417. # [18:22] <dahlfors_> in other words, not paying any money, just saying "it will look good in your portfolio"
  418. # [18:22] <g105b> "this will look GREAT on your portfolio!"
  419. # [18:22] <dahlfors_> so much, that if you don't tell that it's paid work, people will likely expect it to be one of those guys in most open forums
  420. # [18:22] <g105b> ^^
  421. # [18:22] <e_carter> I'm a developer (not HTML5), I hear you
  422. # [18:22] <dahlfors_> yup :)
  423. # [18:22] <e_carter> But what does that have to do with me finding a developer *here and now*?
  424. # [18:23] <e_carter> I'm here in #html5 and #gamedev and it seems like everyone is a vegetable or "too busy"
  425. # [18:23] <g105b> in IRC?
  426. # [18:23] <e_carter> Am I not here at the right time or something?
  427. # [18:23] <e_carter> It's paid work.
  428. # [18:23] <Sharaal> in #html5 I would say no, here are not that much active people
  429. # [18:23] <dahlfors_> my recommendation: have a brief of what you want done, roughly, and what kind of experience the person should have. and name a price
  430. # [18:23] <Sharaal> and in most other channels hireing is not allowed
  431. # [18:23] <dahlfors_> after that, it's about looking in the right forums
  432. # [18:24] <dahlfors_> in here, I think most of us have plenty of work
  433. # [18:24] <e_carter> dahlfors_: It's gotten to the point I'm prepared to learn HTML5 myself just out of frustration
  434. # [18:24] <Sharaal> sadly I'm a backend developer and not a frontend one, I'm very interested in going back into the games branch ^^
  435. # [18:24] <g105b> e_carter: the way IRC works isn't "here and now" - post your question (or in this case, job spec) and people will get back to you when they read it. 95% of IRC users are idle, not constantly staring at their chat.
  436. # [18:24] <e_carter> People actually read chatlogs?
  437. # [18:25] <g105b> I do.
  438. # [18:25] <e_carter> Are you an HTML5 game developer?
  439. # [18:25] <e_carter> :D
  440. # [18:25] <Sharaal> here I do too, in this channel its so less written, easy to read next day
  441. # [18:25] <g105b> My IRC client marks where I last read up to, so I skim through what I've missed.
  442. # [18:26] <g105b> e_carter: I'm an HTML5 developer, don't do webgl and stuff like that but have worked on simple 2d games. But I'm booked up right now :(
  443. # [18:26] <Sharaal> e_carter: html5 game developer is a very wide field. canvas developer? single page application? webgl? unity? :)
  444. # [18:27] <e_carter> If I knew the answer to that, I'd probably just learn to develop
  445. # [18:27] <g105b> I have made games using DOM and CSS animation with little JS to enhance things... don't really do any more than that.
  446. # [18:27] <Yoduza> e_carter, yes people actually read chatlogs ;)
  447. # [18:27] <e_carter> Yoduza:I never got your email!
  448. # [18:28] <e_carter> g105b: Same here
  449. # [18:28] <e_carter> I don't want a sketchy game I slapped togehter myself
  450. # [18:28] <Yoduza> ..some story about hackers.. like on scrypt.cc ..
  451. # [18:28] <dahlfors_> e_carter: ok. that is why you need a good brief
  452. # [18:28] <dahlfors_> e_carter: roughly what you want done, what platforms should be supported etc
  453. # [18:28] <dahlfors_> e_carter: and what kind of backend
  454. # [18:29] <dahlfors_> if you have a link with a brief like that, I think it's likely that people will check it out if they have the time for a project
  455. # [18:29] <dahlfors_> without something like that, it could be a project that is 2 days, 2 weeks, 2 months - you just have no idea
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  459. # [18:30] <dahlfors_> if there's a brief like that, a developer can easily find out if it's a realistic project for the price
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  462. # [18:34] <e_carter> What if you want the developer to be the one to tell you the price/timeline?
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  464. # [18:35] <dahlfors_> then you write the brief as well as you can and write that you'd like an estimate
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