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  1. # Session Start: Tue Sep 22 00:00:00 2015
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  15. # [00:40] <modeswitch> moo-_-: no, i'm doing this in a chrome extension content script, so i don't really control any of the frames
  16. # [00:41] <modeswitch> moo-_-: i'm attemting to track the positions of certain elements in the page, some of which may be in embedded iframes
  17. # [00:41] <modeswitch> moo-_-: i guess i can't compute the screen position of an element inside an iframe?
  18. # [00:42] <modeswitch> moo-_-: (fwiw, this is related to some eye tracking work i'm doing)
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  39. # [01:15] <moo-_-> modeswitch: if you need greater freedoms you might want to try FF
  40. # [01:15] <moo-_-> it is more permissive towards addon developers (still)
  41. # [01:31] <modeswitch> moo-_-: my solution for now is to disable web security on chrome
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  43. # [01:33] <moo-_-> well going barebone works too :)
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  333. # [13:58] <Sendoushi> hey guys https://jsfiddle.net/nb4cenno/ can anyone tell me why this works in chrome and not in firefox? Firefox needs the attributes, it doesn't use the css styling. ideas on how to override this?
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  360. # [15:13] <moo-_-> Sendoushi: I think there was some difference where stylesheets for SVG had to be
  361. # [15:13] <moo-_-> Sendoushi: inside SVG or parent document head
  362. # [15:13] <moo-_-> I have only fuzzy memories in my head, not looked into this for many yaers
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  364. # [15:17] <Ms2ger> Seems to work in Fx
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  369. # [15:30] <Sendoushi> moo-_-: yep the problem is about attributes vs styling
  370. # [15:30] <Sendoushi> i didn't know there were a difference between chrome and firefox though
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  376. # [15:52] <Sendoushi> is it possible to animate with keyframes from the last animation state?
  377. # [15:52] <Sendoushi> i want different animation states
  378. # [15:52] <Sendoushi> not being easy to change the animation
  379. # [15:52] <Sendoushi> it jumps for some reason
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  383. # [15:57] <Sendoushi> oh there is a fill-mode
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  387. # [16:01] <Sendoushi> not enough though
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  405. # [16:31] <monikers> is there anything called HTML5 programming
  406. # [16:31] <monikers> ?
  407. # [16:31] <monikers> I would like to learn HTML version 5 and code in it?
  408. # [16:32] <monikers> Or is HTML5 = HTML with JS and CSS?
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  412. # [16:35] <LiENUS> uh
  413. # [16:35] <LiENUS> monikers, html is a markup language, not a programming language for one
  414. # [16:36] <LiENUS> html5 is a standard for browser makers and website... anythingers (programmers, designers, all of the above) to target
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  416. # [16:38] <Sharaal> and html5/html is only html5/html, but a webpage contains of html, css and most times javascript
  417. # [16:38] <Sharaal> and most times some backend
  418. # [16:40] <LiENUS> it gets confusing though because people talk about features like animations in html5 that really require more than just html
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  420. # [16:40] <monikers> so if I want to learn HTML5
  421. # [16:40] <monikers> JS is a must?
  422. # [16:40] <LiENUS> html5 was designed to facilitate those things but it doesnt provide them directly
  423. # [16:40] <monikers> otherwise it won't work at all?
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  425. # [16:40] <LiENUS> if you just want to markup a document in html then you can just learn html5
  426. # [16:40] <monikers> So I cannot actually make anything with plain HTML5?
  427. # [16:41] <monikers> I thought HTML5 had its own sorta implementation of JS
  428. # [16:41] <monikers> but it is not true then
  429. # [16:41] <Sharaal> monikers: start with html/css, js is not a must and can learned afterwards
  430. # [16:41] <monikers> Sharaal, Which book do you suggest? Missing Manual?
  431. # [16:41] <monikers> for HTML I mean?
  432. # [16:41] <LiENUS> html5 doesnt implement anything
  433. # [16:41] <Sharaal> I like the head of books, there is a "head of html/css"
  434. # [16:41] <LiENUS> its just a standard
  435. # [16:42] <Sharaal> the browser implements the html standards
  436. # [16:42] <Sharaal> more or less ^^
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  438. # [16:43] <LiENUS> i know of no browser reasonably implementing html5 that doesn't include at least ecmascript 5
  439. # [16:43] <LiENUS> (javascript)
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  444. # [16:44] <monikers> So when I hear make a little app in HTML5 or a game
  445. # [16:44] <monikers> it is all about JS?
  446. # [16:44] <monikers> what is HTML5 Canvas then?
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  448. # [16:44] <LiENUS> html5 canvas is a canvas for javascript to paint to
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  450. # [16:45] <LiENUS> when you buy a blank canvas at hobby lobby it doesnt come with a monet on it
  451. # [16:45] <Sharaal> html5 canvas is an element which can controlled by javascript to provide graphics
  452. # [16:45] <Sharaal> *to paint graphics
  453. # [16:46] <LiENUS> monikers, html5 is just a markup language, it provides the language to describe your creation with
  454. # [16:47] <LiENUS> css then styles your creation
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  456. # [16:47] <LiENUS> and javascript animates your creation
  457. # [16:47] <Sharaal> and making games can be all: a small cardgame with html5/css + javascript, a middle scale game with canvas or a "triple A" title with unity5
  458. # [16:47] <Sharaal> javascript animates is difficult, css provide much animations
  459. # [16:48] <LiENUS> Sharaal, well i mean more animate in that it gives it motion of some form
  460. # [16:48] <Sharaal> html describes the structure, css describes the look, javascript is programming language for the behavior/logic
  461. # [16:48] <LiENUS> behavior/logic there you go
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  463. # [16:52] <Sharaal> the important thing is, html and css are markup languages. they are only standards to describe something and the browsers do something "magic" with them. javascript is a programming language you code the behavior/logic results at the end in changing css classes or exchange parts of the html to display results and sending data to the backend
  464. # [16:53] <Sharaal> most people I know have a basic knowledge over both areas, but only one of that area a deeper knowledge
  465. # [16:54] <Sharaal> so start with html/css, include fast javascript too, but decide in first step in what direction you want to dive deep in
  466. # [16:55] <Sharaal> (I think its to late for me to right good english, hope the informations are visible ^^)
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  538. # [20:01] <modeswitch> i'm trying to test actual visility of certain elements; all i found so far is elementFromPoint
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  613. # [22:03] <moo-_-> chicagob2: <img> inside <a>
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  642. # [23:09] <Amanej> chicagob2: <a href="#"><img></a>
  643. # [23:09] <Amanej> Is there a bootstrap channel ?
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