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  1. # Session Start: Wed Oct 08 00:00:00 2008
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  7. # [00:21] <Danny_B> i have this structure http://pastebin.ca/1222180 and i am unable to create functional hcard of it (actually - i don't even know if it could be one hcard only or there must be three of them) i'd like to avoid repetition of the data as much as possible
  8. # [00:28] <csarven> Danny_B See http://microformats.org/wiki/include-pattern
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  10. # [00:31] <Danny_B> so it should be 3 hcards with same fn, right?
  11. # [00:31] <Danny_B> included via object
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  13. # [00:42] <csarven> Right. I recommend using <a>.
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  28. # [04:15] <tim_hwang> hey -- is there a microformats meeting in SF next week?
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  132. # [20:17] <ehird> hi!
  133. # [20:17] <ehird> my homepage is going to include hcard info about myself -- can I put the class="vcard" on html, then in head:
  134. # [20:18] <ehird> <link rel="url" href="http://this-page/">?
  135. # [20:18] <ehird> or what?
  136. # [20:26] <csarven> hCard uses class="url" to indicate contact's URL.
  137. # [20:26] <csarven> Although I'm not 100% sure, placing class="vcard" on <html> probably wouldn't work.
  138. # [20:27] <csarven> I don't think it is a good idea either, since that is basically declaring the whole document to have only a single vcard (excluding sub-vcards for AGENTs)
  139. # [20:28] <csarven> What you probably want to do is implement http://microformats.org/wiki/representative-hcard
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  142. # [20:33] <ehird> csarven: Well, it _does_ only have one hcard.
  143. # [20:33] <ehird> Hmm.
  144. # [20:33] <ehird> I wonder if <link class="url" href="..."> is valid
  145. # [20:34] <csarven> First of all, you should try to mark 'visible' data.
  146. # [20:35] <ehird> csarven: True.
  147. # [20:35] <ehird> But linking to a webpage on itself is Very Silly.
  148. # [20:40] <csarven> How so? I'm sure you've used something like <a href="/">Home</a> :)
  149. # [20:41] <csarven> Or even user comments e.g., href="#comment_1"
  150. # [20:44] <ehird> csarven: <a href="/">Home</a> should be 'Home' on the actual homepage, though :-P
  151. # [20:44] <ehird> Meh, I just linked it.
  152. # [20:45] <csarven> <a href="/" rel="bookmark home">Home</a>
  153. # [20:45] <ehird> True.
  154. # [20:46] * ehird searches for a non-linkrotted hCard extractor to see how well he's marked this up
  155. # [20:46] <csarven> You might want to look at http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values also
  156. # [20:46] <ehird> I will
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  158. # [20:47] <csarven> Hey there Toby, how goes it?
  159. # [20:47] <tobyink> ehird: class is invalid on <html>.
  160. # [20:47] <tobyink> valid on <body> though.
  161. # [20:47] <ehird> Oh, thanks.
  162. # [20:47] <ehird> I didn't know.
  163. # [20:47] <tobyink> Hello. I've had a bit of a cold recently, but am on the mend.
  164. # [20:48] <tobyink> <html> only has two valid attributes (in HTML 4.01 anyway) - lang and dir.
  165. # [20:49] <csarven> Ya, I think you can use @id at least on XHTML.
  166. # [20:49] * csarven goes to check
  167. # [20:49] <tobyink> There is a "version" attribute, but it is deprecated and IIRC in the spec, but not the DTD
  168. # [20:50] <csarven> Yap, you can use @id in XHTML 1.0 Strict http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/dtds.html#dtdentry_xhtml1-strict.dtd_html
  169. # [20:50] <csarven> Either way, @class is no good.
  170. # [20:51] <csarven> tobyink Tell me about it, I think I'm just going into a 'cold' phase
  171. # [20:54] <tobyink> Interestingly the XHTML+RDFa 1.0 DTD allows <html class>, even though class isn't used by RDFa.
  172. # [20:56] <tobyink> It is because they took a shortcut in defining the DTD and added the RDFa attributes to the "common collection" of attributes (which is normally just class, style and id). But then they needed to make sure that the common collection were valid on every element.
  173. # [20:56] <csarven> @id/@class on <html> is useful mainly when documents are part of a larger collection
  174. # [20:57] <tobyink> <body class> is valid everywhere, and usually a reasonable substitute.
  175. # [20:57] <csarven> Otherwise, they are pretty much useless since there is a single <html> any way
  176. # [20:59] <tobyink> anyway, got to go - making pizza and my dough has finished rising.
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  186. # [22:24] <mfbot> [[datetime-design-pattern]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=datetime-design-pattern&diff=0&oldid=29751 * RaspberryLemon * (+97)
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  197. # [23:42] <mcc> is there a list anywhere of sites that support hCard?
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