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  1. # Session Start: Sun Nov 09 00:00:00 2008
  2. # Session Ident: #microformats
  3. # [00:05] <bobbytek2> dudes?
  4. # [00:05] <bobbytek2> You there?
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  57. # [13:31] <mfbot> [[media-info-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=30052 * WebOrganics * (+1113) Media Comments -
  58. # [13:38] <mfbot> [[media-info-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=30053 * WebOrganics * (+4) Media Comments -
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  63. # [14:40] <mfbot> [[media-info-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=30054 * WebOrganics * (+34) Media Comments - examples
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  75. # [17:20] <mfbot> [[media-info]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info&diff=0&oldid=30055 * WebOrganics * (+26)
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  80. # [18:40] <bobbytek2> Anyone here?
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  82. # [20:55] <mfbot> [[media-info-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=30056 * WebOrganics * (+0) Media Comment examples - typo
  83. # [20:57] <mfbot> [[xfolk-ja]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfolk-ja&diff=0&oldid=30057 * KitaitiMakoto * (+3) XMDP プロファイル - altered a link to xFolk profile Japanese page
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  86. # [21:39] <mfbot> [[media-info-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=30058 * WebOrganics * (+1) hMedia Schema -
  87. # [21:40] <mfbot> [[media-info-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=30059 * WebOrganics * (+3) Media Comments - changed comment to feedback
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  89. # [22:16] <bobbytek2> This is a channel controlled by bots
  90. # [22:16] <bobbytek2> matrix style
  91. # [22:16] <bobbytek2> poo on a shoe
  92. # [22:18] <mefisto> you still havnt asked a question
  93. # [22:18] <mefisto> .. ant least not a one which wouldnt make you kickbanned in some other channels
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  95. # [22:24] <bobbytek2> Well, I'm wondering about microformats
  96. # [22:25] <bobbytek2> Are they actually being used in a widespread fashion?
  97. # [22:25] <bobbytek2> Is it basically an extension of semantic html?
  98. # [22:26] <mefisto> basicly its built on top of html/xhtml
  99. # [22:26] <mefisto> it add additional meaning to existing content in page
  100. # [22:27] <bobbytek2> like vcard, etc.
  101. # [22:27] <bobbytek2> but who uses this ?
  102. # [22:27] <mefisto> yes
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  104. # [22:29] <mefisto> why would you need such answer ?
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  106. # [22:29] <bobbytek2> what
  107. # [22:29] <mefisto> to tell someone "i use same stuff as twitter" ?
  108. # [22:29] <mefisto> would anyone care ?
  109. # [22:30] <bobbytek2> what is the point of having rich semantics if no-one uses it
  110. # [22:30] <bobbytek2> that's the crux of my question
  111. # [22:30] <bobbytek2> it's all well in good if you mark things up with meaning, but if no one is using it, what's the point?
  112. # [22:37] <mfbot> [[media-info-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=30060 * WebOrganics * (-7) Media Comments -
  113. # [22:38] <mefisto> ... sorry .. i could find a good enough reason to write a A4 page , explaining how internet works
  114. # [22:38] <mefisto> maybe someone else will have time to waste
  115. # [22:45] <bobbytek2> no, you can just continue to push vcard and other retarded specs that no one uses, ... that's a better use of your time I'm sure
  116. # [22:45] <csarven> <bobbytek2> Are they actually being used in a widespread fashion? -- Yes. The difference between then and now is that we (majority) now agree on say 'entry-title' to mean the same thing when it comes to say a blog post title (instead of site A calling it ABC, site B calling XYZ and so on). Furthermore hopefully preventing the Tower of Babel problem for most common data types on Web pages out there.
  117. # [22:46] <bobbytek2> hcard rather
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  119. # [22:48] <bobbytek2> csarven: Thanks for actually answering my question :)
  120. # [22:48] <csarven> You might also want to give http://microformats.org/wiki/misconceptions (and perhaps http://csarven.ca/microformats-misconceptions ) a read. If you can formulate your issues that hasn't be already addressed, we can include it here: http://microformats.org/wiki/criticism
  121. # [22:49] <bobbytek2> mefisto is a tool and obviously doesn't want to waste his precious time spreading the word
  122. # [22:51] <mefisto> i kinda have a bad impression about people who enter channel with "anyone here?"
  123. # [22:51] <mefisto> excuse me
  124. # [22:53] <bobbytek2> well, when you sit in a channel for a spell of time, and no one is typing anything, and bots are spewing info at you, you have to wonder "is anyone there?"
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  131. # [23:36] <bobbytek2> what is the future of microformats given the existence of specs such as RDF?
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  133. # [23:38] <thomasloertsch> IMHO it's future is the comunity process of establishing vocabularies, not the syntax. RDFa is clearly superiour in that respect.
  134. # [23:39] <bobbytek2> so basically, microformats are a vehicle to define formal semantics, similar to dsls?
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  136. # [23:42] <thomasloertsch> microformats are a syntax too (maybe were basiaclly a syntax in teh beginning) that dsl-thing i would have t think about a bit longer
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  139. # Session Close: Mon Nov 10 00:00:00 2008

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