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  39. # [02:48] <mfbot> Tantek edited value-class-pattern "updating with incremental fixes/tweaks rather than all at once. value class pattern only applies to simple strings, tel, and datetimes currently. " (+366) http://is.gd/uZSw
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  46. # [03:28] <mfbot> Tantek edited value-class-pattern "lack of timezone indicates a floating datetime" (+124) http://is.gd/v0en
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  63. # [04:27] <mfbot> Alextiming edited hcard-faq "" (+434) http://is.gd/v0M7
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  77. # [05:46] <mfbot> Tantek edited hcard-faq "reword a few new questions to be a bit more specific and more neutral/positive POV" (-75) http://is.gd/v1qe
  78. # [05:49] <mfbot> Tantek edited hcard-faq "answer the question What is the point of hCard" (+948) http://is.gd/v1rK
  79. # [05:58] <mfbot> Tantek edited hcard-faq "answer more than just links and help users" (+582) http://is.gd/v1vU
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  81. # [06:00] * DanC hopes to catch up with Tantek about the portable contacts stuff I saw at IETF 74 http://brightkite.com/objects/e3150e00198711deb4fe003048c0801e
  82. # [06:00] <DanC> but I should prolly call it a night soon
  83. # [06:01] <@tantek> Hi DanC - would certainly like to hear your opinion of portable contacts
  84. # [06:02] <DanC> on the plus side, it seems grounded in experience with real user data
  85. # [06:02] <DanC> on the minus side, it's XML that's not XHTML
  86. # [06:03] <DanC> I'm in the middle of migrating my contacts to a G1 phone, and google's atom-based gdata api is pretty good as XML apis go, but it still sucks
  87. # [06:03] <DanC> if it were using hCard, I could at least *print* the dang things.
  88. # [06:04] <@tantek> DanC, lots of web programmers don't get all the "free" stuff you get with XHTML over XML (POX or not)
  89. # [06:05] <DanC> I spread the good news whenever I can, e.g. wdn09: http://www.w3.org/2009/Talks/02wdn/slides#(31)
  90. # [06:05] <@tantek> also, the gdata APIs are known for unnecessarily reinventing many things
  91. # [06:06] <DanC> what makes you curious about portable contacts? where do you run into them?
  92. # [06:07] <mfbot> Tantek edited hcard-faq "add another FAQ on how to style hCards with CSS related to articles found while researching to answer earlier added FAQs" (+390) http://is.gd/v1AO
  93. # [06:07] <DanC> speaking of wdn09, when I went looking for CSS styles for hCard, I ran into John A.'s work
  94. # [06:08] <@tantek> DanC I'm curious about *your opinion* in particular about them
  95. # [06:08] <DanC> well, I haven't studied the whole package. I just caught a few slides at IETF 74
  96. # [06:09] <@tantek> I've spoken with Joseph Smarr et al about them. He works for Plaxo and Plaxo also has very good hCard support etc.
  97. # [06:10] <DanC> there's a whole constellation of stuff that I see from tweets from folks like Kevin Marks... I wish I could manage to make time to study it more closely.
  98. # [06:12] <DanC> re "Is there a way to convert a vCard to an hCard?" I wrote some code to do that... I wonder how well it works...
  99. # [06:13] <DanC> http://www.w3.org/2002/12/cal/vcardin.py
  100. # [06:15] <DanC> looks fairly thorough
  101. # [06:15] <@tantek> DanC, that's great! Could you add it to http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-implementations ?
  102. # [06:16] <DanC> ok... running 1 or 2 tests 1st...
  103. # [06:20] <DanC> can't get it to work hardly at all. darn.
  104. # [06:30] <DanC> ok... got it working a little...
  105. # [06:31] * DanC struggles to remember his username...
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  107. # [06:32] <DanC> aha... found it... http://microformats.org/wiki/User:DanC
  108. # [06:35] <mfbot> DanC edited hcard-implementations "vcardin.py converts .vcf to .html" (+173) http://is.gd/v1MU
  109. # [06:52] <@tantek> thanks DanC
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  249. # [17:26] <mfbot> Tantek created existing rel value "redir with spaces" http://is.gd/v86S
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  252. # [17:26] <mfbot> Tantek edited posh-patterns "added Jeremy Keith's blogpost on posh patterns and navigation pattern from today's IRC discussion" (+1104) http://is.gd/v87q
  253. # [17:28] <@tantek> to_, I documented the semantic HTML example you gave here: http://microformats.org/wiki/posh-patterns#navigation - it doesn't appear that a microformat is needed
  254. # [17:31] <to_> and with a <p> for description within li ?
  255. # [17:33] <to_> tantek: <ul><li><a rel="section" href=""><img alt="" /><h2>Title</h2></a><p>desc</p></li>...</ul>
  256. # [17:33] <tobyink> to_: <h2> is block so can't live inside <a>.
  257. # [17:33] <to_> can't live inside which tag?
  258. # [17:34] <to_> ohw, <a>
  259. # [17:34] <to_> why can't it ?
  260. # [17:38] <tobyink> Because <a> is inline. I think HTML5 might allow block elements to nest inside <a>, but in all current versions it's not allowed.
  261. # [17:39] <tobyink> Pretty easy solution though: <ul><li><h2><a rel="section" href=""><img alt="" />Title</a></h2><p>desc</p></li>...</ul>
  262. # [17:39] <singpolyma> It is occasionally a pain, but in general it's not what you want anyway, so it makes sense
  263. # [17:40] <@tantek> at some point you probably have enough structure to mark it up with hAtom
  264. # [17:43] <singpolyma> Does it generally make sense to put rel=section on navigational links?
  265. # [17:45] <@tantek> if those links go to sections of the document or site
  266. # [17:45] <@tantek> there's also rel="chapter" if that semantic is more appropriate
  267. # [17:45] <@tantek> lots of good existing HTML4 rel-values
  268. # [17:45] <@tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values
  269. # [17:45] <@tantek> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/types.html#h-6.12
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  277. # [18:15] <to_> is there exist a uf to mark key/value pairs, for example a house with attributes like: Sq Feet -> 100m2 / Beds -> 2 / ... ?
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  279. # [18:16] <tobyink> Square feet measured in square metres?
  280. # [18:16] <singpolyma> to_: use <dl> if you have a list of such things, use XOXO
  281. # [18:17] <tobyink> I'd say a two col table with <th>, <td> pairs is more semantically correct, but a <dl> is often how these things get done.
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  283. # [18:19] <singpolyma> tobyink: why is a table more semantic than <dl>?
  284. # [18:19] <to_> thank you
  285. # [18:19] <tobyink> You are not defining "Sq Feet".
  286. # [18:20] <to_> it appears i'm already using xoxo :D, didn't know was using it :p
  287. # [18:20] <singpolyma> tobyink: you're defining this instance of "Sq Feet" or "Sq Feet" in the context of the thing you're describing
  288. # [18:20] <singpolyma> but I guess a table is equally accurate
  289. # [18:20] <to_> is marking class="xoxo" mandatory?
  290. # [18:20] <to_> or recommanded
  291. # [18:21] <singpolyma> to_: reccomended
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  293. # [18:34] <to_> is xoxo suitable for displaying <label> + :input ?
  294. # [18:35] <singpolyma> to_: why not just use <label> and <input>?
  295. # [18:35] <to_> in order to style them
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  297. # [18:39] <singpolyma> to_: I wouldn't use XOXO or <dl> for forms in general... that doesn't make a lot of sense to me
  298. # [18:40] <to_> style them like this : http://idisk.me.com/abernier/Public/Pictures/Screenshots/Edit_Property_with_photos-20090428-183523.jpg
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  331. # [23:13] <DanC> anybody got suggestions for getting contact info *out* of gdata?
  332. # [23:14] * DanC reviews his code...
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  334. # [23:21] <tobyink> DanC - by "out of" do you mean "read it from" or "delete it from"?
  335. # [23:22] <tobyink> (I don't have any suggestions either way - just curious.)
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  337. # [23:23] <@tantek> DanC, perhaps you could document the gData contact format you are trying to convert from on a new page, like http://microformats.org/wiki/contact-formats and we can start from there.
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  340. # [23:52] <DanC> "read it from"
  341. # [23:52] <DanC> and ok, I'll try using the uf wiki to document stuff
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