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# [22:00] * Topic is 'http://microformats.org/wiki/irc - if you are new here, add yourself to http://microformats.org/wiki/irc-people '
# [22:00] * Set by tantek on Mon Apr 09 17:30:07
# [22:00] #microformats url is http://microformats.org
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# [22:24] <KevinMarks> http://www.flickr.com/photos/zeldman/3554249843/ HMTL has won
# [22:29] <csarven> What did HTML/CSS/JavaScript beat? :) Gopher?
# [22:29] <KevinMarks> Java I assume
# [22:29] <KevinMarks> Flash
# [22:29] <KevinMarks> Sliverlight
# [22:38] <singpolyma> csarven: you can delvier HTML over Gopher. They don't actually compete ;)
# [22:45] <azazul> watta waste
# [22:57] <tantek_> csarven - I believe the reference is to other markup technologies that were pitched for the web browser
# [22:57] <tantek_> that supposedly were going to replace HTML, clean it all up etc.
# [22:57] <tantek_> like XML
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# [22:57] <csarven> I think it is moreso what KevinMarks suggested
# [22:58] <@tantek> and for CSS, perhaps the reference is to XSL-FO which was actually seriously advocated as a competing presentation technology for the Web at one point.
# [23:00] <csarven> I don't XML/XSL-FO were in direct competition with HTML/CSS because they are simply designed to solve different (perhaps similar) problems.
# [23:00] <csarven> ^think
# [23:01] <@tantek> csarven - if you read their goals statements etc. at the time, they were very much intended to be used on the Web, clientside, and eventually replace HTML
# [23:01] <@tantek> there are many that still believe this (that random XML will replace HTML on the Web)
# [23:02] <csarven> I didn't know that was the mission :)
# [23:02] <@tantek> of course it was because HTML was such a mess
# [23:02] <@tantek> so hard to parse etc. so first thing, let's make something much easier to parse because of course that's the most important thing right? (sound familiar?)
# [23:02] <csarven> :)
# [23:03] <csarven> Well, HTML is not going away anytime soon
# [23:03] <csarven> By any means of imagination
# [23:06] <csarven> It doesn't mean that HTML solves all problems either. So, good to have both IMO
# [23:08] <csarven> Gotta run.
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# [23:17] <@tantek> csarven - when something claims that it "solves all problems" - it rarely does a good job of solving any problems, more likely does a poor job of solving some problems.
# [23:17] <@tantek> "solves all problems" is a very poor design methodology in practice.
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