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  3. # [00:16] <mfbot> GeorgeBrock edited debugging-tools "/* Rails assert microformats */ Name correction and link to user page" (+28) http://is.gd/LOzr
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  66. # [06:08] <mfbot> Elli edited hatom-examples "Fixed "changes" section as it did not reflect the actual HTML in the example" (+34) http://is.gd/LY07
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  74. # [06:59] <josephholsten> that's wierd. singpolyma always disappears when I'm around
  75. # [07:00] <josephholsten> has anyone worked with citation microformats?
  76. # [07:01] <josephholsten> I feel like wikipedia could really benefit from citation getting nailed down and used in its templates
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  134. # [17:31] <csarven> Voted up. WolframAlpha might want to start by outputting its results in something other than regular images where suitable (i.e., marked up text, MathML, SVG)
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  139. # [17:36] * SignpostMarv noted that WolframAlpha didn't know who Tantek was. given how many hCards there are peppered about the net with Tantek's name on....
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  151. # [18:20] <Politoed> voted up
  152. # [18:26] <SignpostMarv> ty
  153. # [18:26] <ntoll> FYI, I just updated my django-microformats plugin-application: http://github.com/ntoll/microformats/tree/master (added hAtom support)
  154. # [18:28] <SignpostMarv> ah yes, that reminds me
  155. # [18:29] * SignpostMarv wrote a WordPress plugin that generates profile widgets using hResume: http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/metaverse-id/
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  161. # [18:56] <@tantek> greetings - just catching up on archives.
  162. # [18:57] <@tantek> SignpostMarv, is your WordPress plugin listed on the hResume implementations section/page? http://microformats.org/wiki/hresume#Implementations
  163. # [18:57] <@tantek> ntoll - very cool with the hAtom support
  164. # [18:58] <SignpostMarv> tantek: could you check the output to see if I've marked it up right before I do? http://blog.signpostmarv.name/
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  166. # [18:58] <@tantek> go ahead and add it anyway - no need to wait.
  167. # [18:59] * SignpostMarv recalls your previous opinion that "virtual worlds weren't deserving of microformats"- does that apply to what this plugin is doing ?
  168. # [19:00] <@tantek> it's certainly more interesting to discuss an actual example like you have on your blog
  169. # [19:00] <@tantek> in general the markup looks very good
  170. # [19:01] <@tantek> looks like there are two "summary" elements - is that intentional?
  171. # [19:01] <SignpostMarv> oh ?
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  173. # [19:01] <@tantek> <a class="url fn summary" rel="me" href="http://world.secondlife.com/resident/83b3987f-9520-4275-8efe-3ac13dd3f635">SignpostMarv Martin</a>
  174. # [19:01] <SignpostMarv> ah, typo
  175. # [19:01] <@tantek> <p class="summary">SignpostMarv Martin - If...
  176. # [19:01] <SignpostMarv> i was using hListing before I switched to hResume
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  178. # [19:01] <@tantek> also, perhaps this
  179. # [19:02] <@tantek> <br />
  180. # [19:02] <@tantek> http://onxiam.com/people/SignpostMarv</p>
  181. # [19:02] <@tantek> could be marked up
  182. # [19:02] <SignpostMarv> its pulled from http://world.secondlife.com/resident/83b3987f-9520-4275-8efe-3ac13dd3f635
  183. # [19:02] <@tantek> <a rel="me" href="http://onxiam.com/people/SignpostMarv">my OnXiam page</a>
  184. # [19:03] <SignpostMarv> the scraper code removes the extra HTML, since there are a few bugs with regards to Linden Lab's link parsing
  185. # [19:03] <@tantek> ah ok
  186. # [19:03] <SignpostMarv> international characters have a tendency to break their output
  187. # [19:03] <SignpostMarv> (its also entered as plain text when you edit your profile)
  188. # [19:03] <SignpostMarv> but yes, its a good point.
  189. # [19:03] <SignpostMarv> I'll put it on the to-do list
  190. # [19:04] <@tantek> I think the only key question remaining is do you want to conflate your physical and SL identities
  191. # [19:04] <SignpostMarv> pseudonyms
  192. # [19:05] <@tantek> conflicts are only likely to arise when you markup your virtual identity with physical properties
  193. # [19:05] <@tantek> e.g. bday
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  195. # [19:06] <SignpostMarv> ah
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  197. # [19:06] <@tantek> which I didn't really realize until seeing your actual example
  198. # [19:06] <@tantek> (this has been a good exercise)
  199. # [19:07] <SignpostMarv> bday = date account was created, known colloquially as "rezday"
  200. # [19:07] <SignpostMarv> ^in this case
  201. # [19:07] <@tantek> indeed. consider that people don't list their AIM or other online accounts as having a "bday" of the date the account was created
  202. # [19:08] <@tantek> my understanding of bday is that it is meant to represent the physical birth date of the entity represented by the vCard/hCard
  203. # [19:08] <SignpostMarv> in practice, Second Life users tend to celebrate their rezday as they would their birthday
  204. # [19:09] <@tantek> there are other analogies for this too - such as the "member since 1998" printing on credit cards
  205. # [19:09] <@tantek> the date of when that specific facet/identity was created
  206. # [19:09] <@tantek> rather than the entity that the facet/identity is a part of
  207. # [19:10] <@tantek> I think they can be considered different concepts
  208. # [19:10] <SignpostMarv> hEvent then ?
  209. # [19:11] <@tantek> given that rezday is recognized and regarded as special in Second Life, it seems like a reasonable thing to add to http://microformats.org/wiki/vcard-suggestions#Suggestions_for_New_Properties
  210. # [19:11] <@tantek> hmm - yes, you could mark it up as an hCalendar event as well
  211. # [19:13] <SignpostMarv> <div class="rezday vevent"><span class="summary">Rezday: </span> <abbr class="dtstart" title="2005-10-08">Rezday: 8th Oct, 2005</abbr>
  212. # [19:13] <SignpostMarv> </div> ?
  213. # [19:14] <@tantek> that seems reasonable - perhaps with the ":" omitted from the summary (can be put outside the span), and removing the duplicate "Rezday:" inside the dtstart.
  214. # [19:14] * SignpostMarv copied & pasted from the blog code for laziness :P
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  216. # [19:16] <SignpostMarv> any other thoughts ?
  217. # [19:17] <SignpostMarv> such as the use of the skills aspect of the hResume spec to markup the WoW & Metaplace character skills
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  220. # [19:37] <@tantek> it seems to me that virtual skills are still skills because you still have the real ability to perform the virtual act right?
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  222. # [19:40] <SignpostMarv> that and it also applies to fictional persons' fictional skills i think
  223. # [19:42] * SignpostMarv wonders if superhero powers equates to skills
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  228. # [19:47] <@tantek> SignpostMarv, perhaps - e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman
  229. # [19:49] * SignpostMarv guesses that "Team affiliations" would be marked up as I've marked guilds in the WoW & LoTRO widgets
  230. # [19:49] <@tantek> or more specifically, you could look into adding hResume to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_comics_character
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  233. # [19:50] <SignpostMarv> hehe
  234. # [19:51] <SignpostMarv> doesn't wikipedia suffer from the usual issues of not being able to add class="url" to anchors ?
  235. # [19:55] <SignpostMarv> e.g. <a class="url fn org" href="...">Justice League</a>
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  239. # [20:21] <@tantek> I think that issue is only in directly editing pages - I think templates may have more capabilities but I'm not an expert on MediaWiki templates (just started creating a few myself for microformats.org/wiki )
  240. # [20:22] <SignpostMarv> hrm. speaking of templates,
  241. # [20:22] <SignpostMarv> https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Template:Office_Hours/Documentation
  242. # [20:23] * SignpostMarv wrote template code to embed Linden Lab employee office hours as hCalendar so that the technorati hCalendar > iCal service could be used, removing the need to maintain a seperate google calendar
  243. # [20:23] <@tantek> wow that's cool!
  244. # [20:24] <@tantek> do you work for Linden Lab?
  245. # [20:24] <SignpostMarv> nope
  246. # [20:24] * SignpostMarv just has a habit of fixing "what they're doing wrong" :-P
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  248. # [20:25] <SignpostMarv> I had a project going for a while that I recently had to retire due to database issues (shared hosting FTL), that was basically a rewrite of all the content on the world.secondlife.com, with microformatted cross-referencing up the wazoo
  249. # [20:25] <SignpostMarv> it kinda sucks that Google announced rich snippets just after I retired the project :-s
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  251. # [20:33] * SignpostMarv also gave their xstreetsl.com guy a strong suggestion to switch the markup to hListing etc.
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