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  29. # [01:06] <singpolyma> SF meetup today: 1830 or 1900 ?
  30. # [01:07] <mfbot> Tantek edited hcard-parsing-brainstorming "/* auto-fill examples */ note input examples, goal to enable multiple use cases, hCard forms auto-fill and hCard copy+paste" (+148) http://is.gd/W3NK
  31. # [01:11] <@tantek> singpolyma - 1830
  32. # [01:13] <singpolyma> tantek: thx
  33. # [01:17] <@tantek> http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/2852506/
  34. # [01:17] <@tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2009-06-09-weekly-dinner-sf
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  92. # [12:19] <ebel> The microformat for geo is just for points. Is there anyway to refer to an 'area' or 'box'?
  93. # [12:21] <ebel> I'm writing something about a county in Ireland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Waterford), area of about 1,800 km2. It seems silly to just refer to the centroid the area...
  94. # [12:23] <tobyink> There's <p class="adr"><span class="region">County Waterford</span>, <span class="country-name">Ireland</span></p> which refers to the county as a whole, but that doesn't give you any geographic co-ordinates.
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  97. # [12:26] <ebel> yeah I'd like something for the geographic co-ordinates..
  98. # [12:27] <tobyink> ebel: this is an area where RDFa can help. e.g. to mark a page as being about County Waterford, you could write <p about="" xmlns:foaf="http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/" rel="foaf:primaryTopic" resource="http://sws.geonames.org/2960991/">This page is about <span class="foaf:name">County Waterford</span></p>.
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  100. # [12:28] <ebel> I went on a motorbiking holiday, and I'd like to be able to mark up "this long stretch of a road is nice" or "we went down the penninsula"
  101. # [12:28] <ebel> so for that sorta stuff, i think some sort of area thing would be nice...
  102. # [12:30] <tobyink> You can always try to be implicit - by using fewer decimal places, you suggest that you're referring to a general area rather than a specific point, though I don't know any tools that would take that hint.
  103. # [12:31] <tobyink> Andy Mabbet was (IIRC) interested in doing work on extending geo to mark up routes, areas and boundaries.
  104. # [12:31] <ebel> oh? interesting...
  105. # [12:32] <tobyink> But he was banned from the microformats.org wiki and mailing lists. (Google for it.)
  106. # [12:32] <ebel> :/
  107. # [12:36] * ebel shall have to poke around the wiki and think
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  109. # [12:56] <ebel> I want to mark up some text as a vevent, but can't think of a nice way to include the dtstart, but can include the interval
  110. # [12:57] <ebel> example: http://pastebin.com/m286f116e
  111. # [12:57] <ebel> any reason why the specs say dtstart is required, as opposed to 'dtstart or interval' is required?
  112. # [12:57] <ebel> (And yes, "You're doing it wrong" is an acceptable answer :) )
  113. # [12:59] <ebel> cause ISO 8601 include stuff for time intervals.
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  116. # [13:39] <tobyink> http://pastebin.com/m6145a1d2 or http://pastebin.com/m75d87581
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  118. # [14:04] <ebel> tobyink: oh you can do that?
  119. # [14:04] <ebel> oh interesting....
  120. # [14:04] <tobyink> yes, why wouldn't you be able to?
  121. # [14:05] <ebel> I dunno... just didn't occur to me
  122. # [14:05] <ebel> I thought "the right way" was to wrap all the stuff around text
  123. # [14:08] <ebel> damn, that makes lot of stuff possible :D
  124. # [14:09] <tobyink> In an ideal world.
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  168. # [18:20] <@tantek> hello Phae - good to see another London vEvent being planned
  169. # [18:20] <@tantek> do you know any of the LondonWebStandards folks?
  170. # [18:20] <@Phae> ah, well, john allsopp is visiting.
  171. # [18:20] <@Phae> some
  172. # [18:20] <@Phae> there's a HTML5 event that weekend too
  173. # [18:20] <@tantek> BTW - here in SF we're putting together a party for the celebration of microformats.org's 4th birthday: http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2009-06-microformats-4th-bday
  174. # [18:20] <@Phae> i saw!
  175. # [18:21] <pseudowish> speaking of which - it's time to get rolling on that. what
  176. # [18:21] * @Phae would like to be in SF for uf's birthday
  177. # [18:21] <pseudowish> s kevin's contact info - he was going to forward me stuff about the potential venue Varnish
  178. # [18:22] <@tantek> Kevin is kevinmarks in the channel and @kevinmarks on Twitter.
  179. # [18:22] <pseudowish> cool, I'll nab him one way or another - if he's not on here now I can dm him
  180. # [18:27] <@tantek> tobyink regarding geo for routes and directions, there have been lots of people working on that: http://microformats.org/wiki/directions
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  183. # [18:30] <@Phae> tantek: what's this about microforamtscamp?
  184. # [18:30] <@tantek> Rohit Khare suggested a couple of weeks ago to me that it's about time we did a MicroformatsCamp, for authors, designers, developers and even vocabulary geeks
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  186. # [18:31] <@tantek> especially with all the new support coming out almost weekly from companies like Google, Yahoo, MySpace
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  190. # [18:31] <@tantek> ebel take a look at http://microformats.org/wiki/geo-brainstorming
  191. # [18:31] <@tantek> there are a bunch of ideas/suggestions for extending geo there
  192. # [18:32] <@tantek> and I'm going through those as well as http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-brainstorming and drafting up proposals for hCard 1.0.1 (fixes and minor revisions) and hCard 1.1 (new properties, vCard 4 support etc.)
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  197. # [18:33] <@tantek> if you want to start something regarding referring to an 'area' or a 'box', take a look at the current radius suggestion in geo-brainstorming and add more thoughts there.
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  203. # [18:57] * hober could probably get up to SF for a MicroformatsCamp, so long as there's enough warning
  204. # [19:12] <@tantek> hober, there seems to be some amount of consensus for July
  205. # [19:12] <@tantek> for a MicroformatsCamp
  206. # [19:12] <@tantek> like mid to late July
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  209. # [19:21] <@tantek> hober, want to help organize?
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  215. # [19:39] <hober> sure!
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  218. # [19:43] <hober> I could head up for the weekend of 7/18 or the weekend of 7/25, I think
  219. # [19:43] <hober> hmm. 7/18 would be better
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  222. # [19:49] <@tantek> hober either one of those weekends works for me
  223. # [19:49] <@tantek> one question we should think about - should we make it a DevCamp similar to how the first iPhoneDevCamp was held?
  224. # [19:49] <@tantek> i.e. a MicroformatsDevCamp
  225. # [19:50] <@tantek> really focused on building more than abstract discussions
  226. # [19:55] <hober> I'm leaning more toward a dev camp
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  228. # [19:55] <hober> I'd like to encourage doing / kicking ass, and to discourage, err, structured data wankery.
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  236. # [20:26] <@tantek> hober, let's make it a MicroformatsDevCamp then
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  238. # [20:28] <Politoed> make it in europe :P
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  241. # [20:29] <@tantek> Politoed - sounds like you just volunteered to organize one in Europe ;)
  242. # [20:29] <@tantek> that's how BarCamps work - if you ask for one, you just volunteered to plan one.
  243. # [20:30] <@tantek> hober, I'm going to ping Chris Messina since he helped plan the first iPhoneDevCamp
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  245. # [20:32] <hober> cool
  246. # [20:34] <@tantek> hi rohit
  247. # [20:34] <@tantek> it was originally rohit's idea to do a microformatscamp
  248. # [20:35] <@tantek> and Politoed - if you're serious about organizing a MicroformatsDevCamp in Europe, there are definitely folks here in this channel who would be able to help with questions around how to organize a *Camp in general.
  249. # [20:37] <@tantek> pseudowish, go ahead and edit the wiki page for the party and list all the stuff you next to your name that you said last night you wanted to do for the party: http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2009-06-microformats-4th-bday
  250. # [20:38] <pseudowish> Okay for sure! Just gotta finish one thing up here then I'll do that! I'm still waiting on Dan to send me the logo .ai file - I emailed him early this AM. Hoping to get it today so I can do designs tomorrow.
  251. # [20:39] <@tantek> great!
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  253. # [20:42] <@tantek> appears that mfbot is gone again, I've pinged Ryan King about it.
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  255. # [20:44] <rohit> hi there - sorry IRC's been in the background
  256. # [20:44] * Politoed hides :P
  257. # [20:45] <rohit> Hmm. I recall going hunting for a µf logo AI file and not finding one
  258. # [20:45] <rohit> If you do hear back from Dan, perhaps we should put it on the wiki for future use
  259. # [20:46] <pseudowish> yeah, I think that would be a good idea
  260. # [20:46] <pseudowish> I'll put it up if I get one from him (or when I get it from him) - worst case scenario I could recreate it as a vector graphic from the web image
  261. # [20:48] <hober> http://remiprevost.com/images/wallpapers/microformats/mf-vector.svg
  262. # [20:49] <pseudowish> awesome that rocks!
  263. # [20:49] <hober> ( linked to from http://microformats.org/wiki/spread-microformats )
  264. # [20:50] <pseudowish> hehe duh I should have looked :P
  265. # [20:53] <mfbot> Pseudowish edited events/2009-06-microformats-4th-bday "/* planners */ " (+413) http://is.gd/XI3p
  266. # [20:55] <mfbot> Tantek edited events/2009-06-microformats-4th-bday "typo" (+0) http://is.gd/XIre
  267. # [20:56] <mfbot> Tantek edited events/2009-06-microformats-4th-bday "MicroformatsDevCamp" (+3) http://is.gd/XIzt
  268. # [20:56] <mfbot> Pseudowish created User:pseudowish "New page: Lauren Scime is a web designer and developer. She is a co-founder of Object Adjective, a web design firm located in San Francisco, California. [http://objectadjective.com] Object Adjecti..." http://is.gd/XIAU
  269. # [21:01] <@tantek> pseudowish - I believe you meant to create User:Pseudowish
  270. # [21:01] <pseudowish> hehe yeah I'm just getting started using wikis *blushes
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  272. # [21:02] <@tantek> you'll pick them up in no time
  273. # [21:02] <@tantek> before long you'll wonder how you used any other collaborative editing environment
  274. # [21:02] <pseudowish> yeah it's the creating a page that's not working out for me :P
  275. # [21:03] <pseudowish> I've used other wikis before but for some reason it doesn't like me creating a user page
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  277. # [21:03] <mfbot> Tantek edited events "microformatsDevCamp" (+635) http://is.gd/XJAI
  278. # [21:04] <mfbot> Pseudowish created User:Pseudowish "New page: Lauren Scime is a web designer and developer in San Francisco, CA. She is a co-founder of [http://objectadjective.com/] Object Adjective." http://is.gd/XIAU
  279. # [21:04] <pseudowish> okay I think I got it
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  282. # [21:20] <rohit> hi Kevin
  283. # [21:20] <mfbot> Kevin Marks edited events/2009-06-microformats-4th-bday "/* location */ varnish costs" (+91) http://is.gd/XM4w
  284. # [21:20] <rohit> thanks for the tweet on operational transforms in Wave :)
  285. # [21:20] <mfbot> Tantek created events/2009-07-18-dev-camp "drafted " http://is.gd/XM6j
  286. # [21:21] <mfbot> Tantek edited events/2009-06-microformats-4th-bday "** for a nested list item" (+0) http://is.gd/XMhn
  287. # [21:22] <@tantek> hober, I put up a stub page for organizing microformatsDevCamp: http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2009-07-18-dev-camp
  288. # [21:22] <@tantek> feel free to braindump and expand
  289. # [21:23] <mfbot> GeorgeBrock edited events/2009-06-27-microformats-vevent-london "/* Attending */ Attending event and willing to help out" (+90) http://is.gd/XMv1
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  291. # [21:27] <@tantek> and Upcoming event for microformatsDevCamp created also: http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/2888376/
  292. # [21:29] <@tantek> fellow microformats 4th birthday planners - where would be a good location for next Tuesday's microformats dinner where I'm sure we'll wrap up any last minute party planning?
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  309. # [22:27] <hober> seems like the biggest todo is to find a venue
  310. # [22:27] <@tantek> let's capture that
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  313. # [22:28] <hober> re: venue, I defer to the SF-local
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