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  62. # [06:59] <mfbot> Pseudowish edited events/2009-06-microformats-4th-bday "/* location */ " (+836) http://is.gd/ZswZ
  63. # [07:05] <pseudowish> I know I'm probably the only one actually on the chat room right now with it in focus, but does anyone know what font the microformats text on the logo is? If so please let me know. It is similar to Trebuchet but possibly something similar? I don't have a sample with text intact & not at 72dpi rasterized bitmap. Thnx
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  65. # [07:19] <csarven> pseudowish I think it is close to ITC Officina® Sans Book (ITC Collection)
  66. # [07:19] <csarven> There may be some added effects
  67. # [07:20] <csarven> I used http://www.linotype.com/fontidentifier?start=1
  68. # [07:20] <pseudowish> Thanks yeah it's a tough call. Whatthefont.com thought it was Soluna or something...it looks a lot like Trebuchet as well...I'll look at ITC Officina now though -thanks so much :)
  69. # [07:20] <csarven> Better send an email on the mailing list or just update the Wiki with your question
  70. # [07:21] <csarven> I don't know who designed it.
  71. # [07:22] <csarven> Time for bed.
  72. # [07:22] <csarven> Good luck
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  74. # [07:24] <pseudowish> thanks
  75. # [07:27] <mfbot> Pseudowish edited events/2009-06-microformats-4th-bday "" (+154) http://is.gd/ZtQa
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  81. # [08:07] <@tantek> anyone know where to find the documentation on IE (or any other browser or plugin') autofill functionality?
  82. # [08:15] <@tantek> ah found something: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms533032(VS.85).aspx
  83. # [08:16] <@tantek> e.g.
  84. # [08:16] <@tantek> <INPUT TYPE = text
  85. # [08:16] <@tantek> NAME = oEmail
  86. # [08:16] <@tantek> VCARD_NAME = "vCard.Email"
  87. # [08:16] <@tantek> >
  88. # [08:16] <@tantek> I'm going to capture this in hcard-input-formats
  89. # [08:16] <@tantek> as prior work
  90. # [08:17] <@tantek> and the full schema used: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms535130(VS.85).aspx
  91. # [08:18] <@tantek> and another example of unnecessary renaming: "vCard.Company" instead of "org"
  92. # [08:29] <mfbot> Tantek edited minimal-vocabulary "/* renaming example org */ added Microsoft VCARD_NAME schema as yet another unnecessary renamer from vCard" (+229) http://is.gd/ZwmX
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  103. # [08:48] <pseudowish> hey Tantek, did you see the initial 4th b-day logo I uploaded? Thoughts?
  104. # [08:48] <@tantek> URL?
  105. # [08:49] <pseudowish> http://tinyurl.com/kkzbk9
  106. # [08:50] <pseudowish> it's simple but I was going for"recognizable as microformats but specific to 4 yr. b-day...
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  110. # [08:53] <@tantek> yikes - I'm not sure it's good to mutate the logo that much!
  111. # [08:53] <pseudowish> yeah I wasn't sure....
  112. # [08:53] <@tantek> did you have a chance to run it by Dan Cederholm to get his opinion?
  113. # [08:53] <pseudowish> I should email him the linl\
  114. # [08:53] <pseudowish> link
  115. # [08:54] <pseudowish> I just emailed him earlier tonight asking what the mf font was for the name "microformats"
  116. # [08:54] <pseudowish> haven't heard back yet
  117. # [08:54] <pseudowish> do you know what font he used? it's not on the site
  118. # [08:55] <pseudowish> Jeremy and I both thought it was very much still recognizable as mf but specific to the b-day celebration
  119. # [08:56] <pseudowish> but it's your call for sure :)
  120. # [08:59] <@tantek> My experience with corporate and non-profit brands is that typically you want to preserve at least the shape of a logo for any variant
  121. # [08:59] <@tantek> and high contrast elements
  122. # [08:59] <@tantek> thus for example, Cederholm created an orange variant of the microformats logo as well (you can find it on http://microformats.org/ if you find it)
  123. # [09:00] <mfbot> Tantek edited hcard-input-examples "links to broader hcard-input effort, hcard-input-formats documentation, hcard-brainstorming" (+136) http://is.gd/ZxEG
  124. # [09:01] <pseudowish> Oh yeah totally. But I think the 3 parts cascading with the rounded edges and the white border keeps enough of the visual ties to the original logo even if it's in another color. It's a tough call but I honestly think so far that most people I've showed it to are like "oh yeah, that's the mf logo as a #4"
  125. # [09:03] <pseudowish> I'm kind of hoping to get a bunch of peoples' input to see if it's syntactically relevant and then if most people (even the ones I know who have no clue what mf is) get the logo variation, then it works. If not, I've got a bunch of tricks up my sleeve :)
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  127. # [09:06] <pseudowish> We also really need to pick a venue w/in the next 2 days so we can start promoting (the sooner the better b/c we want to use this to raise $$$ for the devCamp). I was thinking that whatever logo/designs we go with should also have some code people can embed that allows users to download the vCalendar when clicked (microformatted hCalendar)
  128. # [09:07] <@tantek> yeah - the morphed logo really felt odd
  129. # [09:08] <@tantek> we could perhaps do something with small multiples rather than the number 4
  130. # [09:10] <pseudowish> yeah, I emailed Dan to see what he thinks too, but I've got a few other ideas for the embeddable banners/images
  131. # [09:10] <pseudowish> do you know what the logo font is?
  132. # [09:10] <@tantek> I thought we had written it down on the wiki
  133. # [09:10] <@tantek> have you looked at the spread microformats page?
  134. # [09:11] <@tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/spread-microformats
  135. # [09:12] <pseudowish> yeah, I have. I was just trying to do something "new" - maybe too divergent though
  136. # [09:13] <pseudowish> I'll have other comps by morning - Jeremy and I are on a caffine kick and are planning an all-nighter....
  137. # [09:14] <mfbot> Tantek created hcard-input "drafted" http://is.gd/Zyfp
  138. # [09:15] <@tantek> I had a small cup of Ritual Coffee Roasters coffee myself so I'm cranking away on hCard copy+paste
  139. # [09:15] <@tantek> doing research, brainstorming, iterating
  140. # [09:15] <pseudowish> Oh so what if we did the 4's logo with the microformats embedded icon in the corner with text? sorry I'm not trying to push this too hard, I just really think it can work. I like this better than other ideas because it also brands the "event" which is important if you want ###'s to show up
  141. # [09:15] <pseudowish> I also emailed a few venues as well
  142. # [09:16] <pseudowish> since Varnish is $350/hr minimum
  143. # [09:16] <@tantek> yeah Varnish seems a bit steep
  144. # [09:16] <pseudowish> Although I also talked to Jeremy and Object Adjective could sponsor one of those hours (basically we could be good for about $350)
  145. # [09:17] <@tantek> that's very generous of you!
  146. # [09:17] <@tantek> let's make sure your donation would be maximally efficiently spent
  147. # [09:17] <pseudowish> Yeah totally
  148. # [09:17] <@tantek> I've requested reserving the upstairs at 21st Amendment as a possibility
  149. # [09:17] <@tantek> it would limit the size of the party - but it's a start
  150. # [09:18] <pseudowish> I don't want to just buy people drinks - I want to find the best venue where people can talk, eat and maybe have a few brief speakers (so not packed with other loud clientelle)
  151. # [09:18] <@tantek> yeah
  152. # [09:18] <@tantek> but right now, I want to lock down *something* that we know we can afford and then we can upgrade from there
  153. # [09:18] <pseudowish> Yeah I was worried about the 38 person for sit-down limit - if we do it early enough (before 7pm) many people will want food options
  154. # [09:19] <pseudowish> Although I know a party planner who is really awesome & might have some catering options if we did it somewhere that didn't have food
  155. # [09:19] <pseudowish> Another possibility would be doing it at Root Division
  156. # [09:20] <@tantek> simplest is just appetizers and cash bar - no sit down
  157. # [09:20] <@tantek> and start the party later like 8pm
  158. # [09:20] <pseudowish> I'm a studio resident there - we would have to get the bevs and food, but we could work off of donations & peoples' pot luck enthusiasm
  159. # [09:20] <pseudowish> yeah that totally makes sense
  160. # [09:20] <@tantek> go ahead an add additional venue suggestions to the wiki page with details off the top of your head
  161. # [09:21] <@tantek> helps to have them in one place to compare/contrast
  162. # [09:21] <pseudowish> There were a few other places I was considering listing but it depends what our party size is
  163. # [09:21] <pseudowish> How many peeps do you think will show up?
  164. # [09:21] <pseudowish> any clue?
  165. # [09:22] <pseudowish> b/c I have a sense of venues of all sizes I just need to know a rough min/max
  166. # [09:24] <pseudowish> it's tough b/c we're looking at either a friday or saturday night on short notice...
  167. # [09:26] <@tantek> right
  168. # [09:26] <@tantek> so pick a few you like and list rough capacities
  169. # [09:26] <@tantek> and cost info if you have them too
  170. # [09:26] <mfbot> Tantek created hcard-input-formats "drafted with only hCard input previous format example found so far, Microsoft VCARD_NAME schema" http://is.gd/ZyPq
  171. # [09:27] <pseudowish> The other thing is we could do it at Jeremy and my apt. (it's 1600 sq feet) and just buy alcohol/kegs and I could cater the food myself (used to be a chef at a northern Italian cuisine restaurant)
  172. # [09:27] <pseudowish> Since it's our office we could say it's at Object Adjective hq
  173. # [09:28] <pseudowish> if we wanted to save $
  174. # [09:29] <@tantek> that's also a very generous offer!
  175. # [09:29] <@tantek> let's see if we can do it at a venue so that we don't have to compromise your personal space
  176. # [09:29] <@tantek> but that's a good backup to keep in mind - feel free to list that as a last ditch option
  177. # [09:30] <pseudowish> I don't mind (it's good motivation to clean) - and I love hosting parties - as long as 1-2 peeps sign up for clean up duty to help me the next day :P
  178. # [09:30] <mfbot> Tantek created hcard-input-brainstorming "drafted with rough outline of proposal thoughts, noted a couple of issues off the top of my head based on experience with real world examples so far" http://is.gd/Zz3J
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  180. # [09:31] <pseudowish> Even if they don't I love throwing parties. It's a good fun time to get people together talking about geeky things and having fun
  181. # [09:31] <pseudowish> and i like to cook
  182. # [09:35] <pseudowish> Another place that isn't too obnoxious about charging parties is Nihon Whiskey Lounge on Folsom St. Jeremy had my b-day there 2 years ago and they were very accommodating - could get the private room for purchasing 1 or 2 bottles of premier alcohol (food was for order on demand but they might cater if we talk to them about a large group) - they;re only good for about maybe 30-35 tops but it's a really private comfy space so i
  183. # [09:36] <@tantek> go ahead and add all your suggestion to the wiki page
  184. # [09:36] <@tantek> like I said - hard to consider in a stream in IRC - better to compare/contrast
  185. # [09:37] <pseudowish> ugh I'm just afraid I'll overcrowd it & drive everyone nuts - I was going to get quotes and then add the possibilities since I can think of about 20 places off-hand
  186. # [09:39] <pseudowish> Give me 1 day of phoning around (on no sleep, which oddly makes me more shrewd) and I'll post the realistic possibilities. It would help though if we had a rough count - or at least a minimum and absolute maximum (could be totally inflated) b/c I would love to find a place that could accommodate any # and not feel empty if only 20 - 30 show up
  187. # [09:40] <@tantek> don't worry about "overcrowd"
  188. # [09:40] <@tantek> and don't wait to get quotes
  189. # [09:40] <@tantek> that's the whole point of a wiki
  190. # [09:40] <@tantek> just add incremental bits of info when you have it
  191. # [09:40] <@tantek> rather than collecting it until some point of "completeness"
  192. # [09:40] <pseudowish> Okay. I'll end up posting about 10 places then
  193. # [09:41] <@tantek> we have no idea for count because we'll likely do explicit invites based on capacity
  194. # [09:41] <@tantek> so it's a bit of a circular problem
  195. # [09:41] <@tantek> hard to find spaces that scale like that
  196. # [09:41] <pseudowish> but I would like to thin it down to ones that cost less baseline than $350 / hr and can accommodate 30-50 people at least but probably not more than 100 at a time ... that's my guess
  197. # [09:42] <pseudowish> We shouldn't be explicit though - not if we're trying to raise $$ for the DevCamp
  198. # [09:42] <pseudowish> We want lots of people to show up, buy merch, etc
  199. # [09:43] <pseudowish> Sorry I'm being too business-like but it's the truth; we need a lot of people if we're only asking for X at the door
  200. # [09:43] <@tantek> explicit meaning directly contacting people in addition to organic
  201. # [09:43] <@tantek> explicit != exclusive
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  203. # [09:43] <@tantek> hi rohit
  204. # [09:43] <@tantek> pseudowish has been a lot of good work trying to figure things out for the party
  205. # [09:45] <pseudowish> probably too much - I am a bit of a neurotic (no kidding?)
  206. # [09:46] <pseudowish> but I think we all agree that we need the cheapest, most accommodating option that can book us for a week from Fri or Sat - yikes!
  207. # [09:46] <pseudowish> We can do this though
  208. # [09:47] <pseudowish> even if we need to do Varnish and get sponsors - or have it at Object Adjective hq
  209. # [09:47] <pseudowish> either one would have plenty of space
  210. # [09:48] <pseudowish> and our home/office is free - but not sure if it's too non-event-ish to do it at a dev. company's home/office?
  211. # [09:49] <@tantek> I think the 21st Amendment reservation may be free too
  212. # [09:49] <@tantek> and that way we don't have to worry as much about food + drink logistics
  213. # [09:49] <@tantek> we can still do some sponsorship
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  215. # [09:53] <pseudowish> Yeah, that would totally be fine - as long as they've got the space and they won't be jerks. I know when J and I went to CromaticSF last week we went there afterward and they were total assholes to the crowd we came with b/c not everyone wanted to order dinner - I know we won't be in the dining room, but it just left a bad taste in my mouth....
  216. # [09:53] <pseudowish> I would hate to have them book us upstairs and then let other loud roudy patrons up there to drink beer and watch sports....
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  218. # [09:54] <rohit__> thanks for all your help, pseudowish
  219. # [09:54] <rohit__> you're making me wish I could be there! :)
  220. # [09:54] <rohit__> (i'll be in NYC unfortunately)
  221. # [09:54] <rohit__> unless there's enough uf'ers in nyc!...
  222. # [09:55] <pseudowish> well we can always set up a live feed if you plan your own party on the east coast :)
  223. # [09:57] <@tantek> pseudowish - when they book the upstairs - they put up a sign saying private party
  224. # [09:57] <@tantek> I know this because we've been there before when other groups have booked it
  225. # [09:57] <@tantek> (ref: 21A)
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  228. # [09:59] <pseudowish> Oh well then I'm going to chill out and not hate on 21st at least about private parties :P
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  231. # [10:00] <pseudowish> I am also taking this time to write to all of my friends at the various web firms, software companies, etc. and try to get sponsorship
  232. # [10:00] <pseudowish> Have we gotten any others yet beside ObjAdj?
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  234. # [10:05] <mfbot> Pseudowish edited events/2009-06-microformats-4th-bday "/* donations */ " (+89) http://is.gd/ZAGc
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  251. # [12:22] <mfbot> Verycleveruser31096 created User:Verycleveruser31096 "New page: О себе: Город: Санкт-Петербург Образование: Высшее Область интересов: Культура, искусство, политика, и..." http://is.gd/ZFWE
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  253. # [12:23] <tobyink> tantek, Phae - cyrillic spam http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Verycleveruser31096
  254. # [12:24] <@Phae> ace.
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  256. # [12:25] <@Phae> sorted.
  257. # [12:25] <@Phae> thanks tobyink
  258. # [12:25] <@Phae> wonder where the bot is
  259. # [12:26] <tobyink> mfbot? It posted at 11:18.
  260. # [12:26] <@Phae> oh. it's not shown my last actions.
  261. # [12:26] <@Phae> nm.
  262. # [12:27] <tobyink> Don't think mfbot mentions bans, deletes - just edits.
  263. # [12:27] <@Phae> ok
  264. # [12:28] <@Phae> Are you coming to the HTML5 thing the day after @media?
  265. # [12:31] <tobyink> No, only really following HTML5 peripherally.
  266. # [12:33] <@Phae> m'k
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  273. # [14:43] <@tantek> thanks for the heads up tobyink
  274. # [14:44] <tobyink> np
  275. # [14:45] <@tantek> tobyink - I've drafted resolutions for all the open hCard issues and have moved on to considering all the hCard brainstorming suggestions (for either an hCard 1.0.1 or 1.1). next I'm going to be looking at resolving hCalendar issues.
  276. # [14:46] <@tantek> I know you did a lot of work with finding hCalendar issues and drafting fixes in hCalendar in the version you were working on. if you have a chance, it would be great if you could add the issues you found in hCalendar to http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-issues
  277. # [14:46] <tobyink> I'd suggest 1.0.1. You might want to reserve 1.1 for when vCard 4.0 is complete.
  278. # [14:46] <@tantek> tobyink exactly - 1.1 for new properties from vCard 4
  279. # [14:48] <tobyink> got to go now, but back in a bit. Essentially the hCal stuff I did was to document the iCal properties which the current hCal spec glosses over - whether singular, plural, etc. And document suggested patterns for marking up repetition, etc.
  280. # [14:52] <@tantek> ok np. even if you just wrote that up as an issue - I can split it into multiple issues - that would be great.
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  282. # [14:54] <@tantek> regarding singular vs plural properties in hCalendar - I wrote this up recently, perhaps you could review it to see if you came to the same conclusions: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-singular-properties
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