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  24. # [01:02] <@tantek> to_ take a look at hMedia for marking up info about a photo, video, or audio item: http://microformats.org/wiki/hmedia
  25. # [01:13] <to_> tantek: thank you for that link, precious
  26. # [01:14] <to_> tantek: I'm more and more looking for guidelines before writting xHTML, what references could you recommand to me for this purpose?
  27. # [01:17] <@tantek> to_ the best place to start for writing good (x)HTML is POSH: http://microformats.org/wiki/posh
  28. # [01:17] <@tantek> it's a good index of blog posts, presentations, books etc.
  29. # [01:24] <to_> great, thank you
  30. # [01:25] * to_ wants to be POSH
  31. # [01:34] <to_> tantek: look at this, I tried to summup every form controls with a recursive and modular markup http://pastebin.me/4a360e81d112b
  32. # [01:35] <to_> who can be interested with this?
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  37. # [01:43] <@tantek> perhaps you can document it on your site in a blog post explaining HTML forms?
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  41. # [01:44] <@tantek> to_ I did something similar for all HTML4 strict tags: http://tantek.com/HTML4/stricttags.html
  42. # [01:47] <singpolyma> to_: that could be interesting for http://editthis.info/gui/HTML and related work I'm doing :)
  43. # [01:51] <to_> singpolyma: it's a summary of all Aaron Gustafson's best pratices for designing web forms, as described in his slideshow: http://www.slideshare.net/AaronGustafson/learning-to-love-forms-web-directions-south-07
  44. # [01:53] <singpolyma> to_: thx for the link :)
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  46. # [01:53] <@tantek> to_ that presentation link would be a great addition to http://microformats.org/wiki/posh#POSH_Presentations - could you add it?
  47. # [01:54] <to_> the best one ever found on whole web
  48. # [01:55] <to_> tantek: you want I edit the wiki page and add the link with a brief description?
  49. # [01:55] <@tantek> to_ yes that would be great
  50. # [01:55] <@tantek> in that section "POSH Presentations"
  51. # [01:55] <to_> tantek: ok, let me do this
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  54. # [02:14] <mfbot> Abernier edited posh "/* POSH Presentations */ " (+195) http://is.gd/12TQ4
  55. # [02:14] * to_ is abernier
  56. # [02:25] <pseudowish_> hey guys - wondering if anyone's given any though to where / when to have the mf 4 year b-day bash. It's getting so close to the date that I almost think it would be a good idea to wait until the following weekend (so we have more time to promote & plan / get sponsors)
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  58. # [02:37] <@benward> pseudowish_: Spoke to tantek earlier too. Postoning a week seems wise. I'm still waiting on a quite for teeshirts
  59. # [02:38] <@tantek> I'm still awaiting a response from 21A for reserving their upstairs
  60. # [02:38] <pseudowish_> yeah and I totally need a number of how many stickers to order - what do you think the turn out will be?
  61. # [02:38] <@tantek> I will follow-up asking about the following weekend too
  62. # [02:38] <pseudowish_> Dada also seemed promising if we get food platters from a restaurant or a grocer
  63. # [02:39] <pseudowish_> I can inquire w/ dada about availability for both fri/sat the following week
  64. # [02:39] <pseudowish_> They own 2 nice art gallery/bars that hold a good # of people so chances are something is available one of those nights
  65. # [02:50] <pseudowish_> so shall we reconvene on this matter at Tuesday MF dinner?
  66. # [02:56] <@tantek> yes, let's continue discussing party logistics tomorrow night
  67. # [02:57] <@tantek> pseudowish - do you have a suggestion for dinner location?
  68. # [03:01] * to_ loves that one http://tantek.com/presentations/2005/03/elementsofxhtml/
  69. # [03:01] <@tantek> thanks to_!
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  73. # [03:27] <pseudowish_> for dinner locations? hmmm let me think on it and get back :)
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  81. # [05:19] <lukasz> anyone have any idea how I would go about adding translation for XFN creator?
  82. # [05:19] <lukasz> Id like to contribute to it, but not sure how.
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  88. # [05:46] <pseudowish_> one place I was thinking for the MF meetup tomorrow could be Crossroads Cafe - they have really good healthy food and beer and wine and smoothies :)
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  146. # [13:54] <to_> hi #microformats
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  151. # [15:05] <to_> is it a good idea to implement hListing while it is published as draft ? In general, is it a good idea to conform to draft specifications, or is conforming to draft spec is better than nothing?
  152. # [15:15] <tobyink> to_: not a single microformat has made it out of draft status for over three years, so unless you implement it as a draft, you're likely to be waiting a very long time.
  153. # [15:16] <to_> tobyink: :)
  154. # [15:17] <to_> is it a good idea to use microformats classnames to style content with CSS or is it better just using microformats classnames as additional information?
  155. # [15:18] <tobyink> I'd use the microformats class names. If you put all your (for example) hCard styling in a single hcard.css file you probably end up with a nice reusable stylesheet.
  156. # [15:26] <to_> tobyink: in an ideal world, where each need match a microformat specification, there would have no reason adding other classnames to elements in order to style them, right?
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  177. # [17:48] <to_> do you know any hproduct validator?
  178. # [17:48] <@tantek> to_ I would try Optimus but I'm not sure it validates hProduct yet
  179. # [17:58] <to_> tantek: no it does not :(
  180. # [18:06] <ebel> What's Optimus?
  181. # [18:09] <pseudowish_> http://microformatique.com/optimus/ - is a microformats transformer. Easily transform your microformatted content to nice, clean, easily digestible, XML, JSON or JSON-P. You can also easily set filters to only receive particular formats.
  182. # [18:10] <pseudowish_> Hey tantek, any thoughts on where to do the MF dinner tonight?
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  184. # [18:14] <@tantek> ebel - more on Optimus here: http://microformats.org/wiki/optimus
  185. # [18:14] <@tantek> and here: http://microformats.org/ (latest blog post)
  186. # [18:16] <ebel> tantek: oh interesting....
  187. # [18:18] <ebel> The geo parser isn't taking the stuff around the <abbr>...</abbr>
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  189. # [18:18] <ebel> sample output: http://microformatique.com/optimus/?uri=http%3A%2F%2Febel.livejournal.com%2F108077.html&format=json&function=&filter=geo and the original page: http://ebel.livejournal.com/108077.html
  190. # [18:18] <ebel> I added lots of <abbr class="geo" title="...">Some name here</abbr> to that page
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  196. # [18:35] <mfbot> Pseudowish edited events "/* upcoming */ " (+47) http://is.gd/13zT3
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  200. # [18:45] <@tantek> ebel - please capture/add any problems with Optimus on the optimus issues page: http://microformats.org/wiki/optimus-issues thanks!
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  203. # [18:50] <@tantek> pseudowish how about someplace in Lower Haight for tonight's microformats dinner?
  204. # [18:50] <@tantek> like maybe Indian food?
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  206. # [18:52] <pseudowish_> that could work - I can't eat indian food but thats okay
  207. # [18:52] <pseudowish_> I could eat before or after
  208. # [18:53] <pseudowish_> There's also Axis Cafe or Crossroads Cafe (which is near the ballpark but doesn't get crowded before games with sports fans - both have outdoor patios & lots of seating
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  210. # [18:57] <pseudowish_> Crossroads: http://www.yelp.com/biz/crossroads-cafe-san-francisco-3 or http://www.yelp.com/biz/axis-cafe-and-gallery-san-francisco
  211. # [18:58] <pseudowish_> (the 2nd link was for axis cafe - sorry)
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  213. # [19:05] <@tantek> psuedowish, well we did that part of town two weeks ago at 21st Amendment, and then did the Mission last week, so we should rotate and pick some place Lower Haight or perhaps near 5th & Market - both those general locations have been popular in the past
  214. # [19:06] <pseudowish_> okay I'll look into it. what is the Indian place you were thinking of?
  215. # [19:10] <mfbot> Tantek edited weekly-meetup "add headline for reference - needs updating!" (+403) http://is.gd/13Bzt
  216. # [19:10] <@tantek> if you can't eat Indian food we should pick some other place for sure
  217. # [19:10] <pseudowish_> How about Baghdad Nights (middleeastern). http://www.yelp.com/biz/baghdad-nights-restaurant-san-francisco
  218. # [19:10] * @tantek could use some help updating: http://microformats.org/wiki/weekly-meetup#past_SF_venues
  219. # [19:12] <@tantek> We could try Baghdad Nights. Have you been there? Do you know anyone who has? Are they flexible enough to allow people to arrive at different times and order for themselves (cafe style)?
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  222. # [19:13] <pseudowish_> Um not sure - I've only had delivered food from there.....
  223. # [19:13] <pseudowish_> I could call and ask
  224. # [19:15] <pseudowish_> The photos of the place leave me thinking it would be easy enough to pull up chairs, etc. so as long as they're not strict about ordering at the same time, etc...
  225. # [19:15] <pseudowish_> I'll call in a bit and find out if you want
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  236. # [20:06] <@tantek> one thought is to have dinner some place reasonably accessible from transit to encourage / enable the attendance of folks from the #semtech2009 conference going on in San Jose.
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  247. # [21:09] <pseudowish_> So perhaps near the CalTrain Station?
  248. # [21:09] <pseudowish_> There's the Utah Saloon - they actually have really good food even though they're known more as a bar. And they have lots of seating
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  253. # [21:37] <pseudowish_> if we're looking close to cal train now there's Mercury Lounge http://www.yelp.com/biz/mercury-lounge-san-francisco
  254. # [21:37] <pseudowish_> they have $2 taco specials on Tuesday until 8
  255. # [21:41] <pseudowish_> There's also Julie's Supper Club (On Folsom & 7th) - very walkable from CalTrain and usually empty at 7pm on a Tuesday
  256. # [21:41] <pseudowish_> http://www.juliessupperclubsf.com/index2.html
  257. # [21:42] <pseudowish_> we should probably pick somewhere soon though
  258. # [21:48] <mfbot> Tantek edited wiki-better-than-email "add short URL" (+37) http://is.gd/13Jak
  259. # [21:51] <@tantek> happy hour specials on food are definitely a plus
  260. # [21:52] <pseudowish_> Yeah, I've never been to Mercury before but since they are a bar/restaurant I am assuming they could accommodate us without a problem. I could call ahead though
  261. # [21:53] <pseudowish_> If you're interested in that place, let me know and I'll shoot them a call & tell them we have a group coming at 7 but the number is unknown (anywhere from 6-15 I'm guessing) and that everyone will be ordering at various times as they arrive
  262. # [21:55] <pseudowish_> Sound good?
  263. # [21:55] <@tantek> that would be great to look into
  264. # [21:55] <pseudowish_> k I'll call now & see
  265. # [21:55] <@tantek> and it's a different part of SOMA than we've been to before so that's good too
  266. # [21:56] <pseudowish_> yeah definitely
  267. # [21:56] <@tantek> cool. if this works out, maybe we can call this a microformats happy hour meetup instead and see how that works.
  268. # [21:58] <pseudowish_> just left them a message.
  269. # [21:58] <pseudowish_> Even if they don't call back we could just try it out - it seems like a place that would be flexible since they're a bar as well as a restaurant & since they have happy hour tacos
  270. # [22:02] <pseudowish_> But if you're worried about Mercury being flexible we could go to Julie's supper club. They're usually nearly empty around 7pm on Tuesday so I'm sure they could accommodate us
  271. # [22:02] <pseudowish_> and they're really laid back there. The owner has come out and sat with us before when it's dead.
  272. # [22:03] <pseudowish_> But I think Mercury is worth a shot
  273. # [22:05] <@tantek> last time I went to Julie's supperclub they were very overpriced for the quality/amount of food they offered
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  276. # [22:18] <pseudowish_> oh okay, then forget Julies (I've actually never eaten anything there except for some goyoza). Mercury is pretty cheap and they have the $2 tacos :)
  277. # [22:18] <pseudowish_> Should we just plan on Mercury then and put the word out?
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  289. # [23:21] <@tantek> BenWard, pseudowish and I are thinking of Mercury Lounge for the microformats SF meetup tonight: http://www.yelp.com/biz/mercury-lounge-san-francisco
  290. # [23:21] <@tantek> they have happy hour specials on food til 8pm it seems, and people can order individually at the bar also
  291. # [23:22] <@tantek> anybody else have any opinions/suggestions for tonight?
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  297. # [23:56] <KevinMarks> I was going to suggest south bay but it's probably too late for that - not going to make it to SF tonight
  298. # [23:57] <@tantek> KevinMarks, I just found out about VoCamp which is in Sunnyvale: http://vocamp.org/wiki/VoCampSunnyvale2009
  299. # [23:57] <@tantek> this Thursday and Friday
  300. # [23:58] <@tantek> you may want to consider checking it out
  301. # [23:58] <@tantek> I've asked them to add it to Upcoming.org and the microformats events page
  302. # [23:59] <KevinMarks> sounds like worth going to yes
  303. # [23:59] <KevinMarks> how's semweb going? anyone been?
  304. # Session Close: Wed Jun 17 00:00:00 2009

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