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  69. # [09:23] <zerq> hello people
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  72. # [09:26] <zerq> i was browing on going to log onto wolfenstein.com recently.. and ran into on of thoes age gates... so i started filling it in and accidentaly wrote "82 80 1982" instead of "82 08 1982" and the site locked me out.... so i got annoyed... but i started thinking.... would it not make sense if the movie and games industry came together with the browser vendors to make a microformat...
  73. # [09:26] <zerq> to do age rating on sites which the parental controls of the browser can then pick up on...
  74. # [09:27] <zerq> that makes a lot more sense to me and feels like it would work very well as a microformat.
  75. # [09:28] <zerq> anyone here?
  76. # [09:44] <zerq> or has someone allready thaught of this and utterly failed to grab anyones attention about the idea... seams unlikely.. to me it feels like such a perfect solution...
  77. # [09:44] <zerq> why is no one ever around when you have a neat idea!
  78. # [09:45] <zerq> sigh
  79. # [09:46] <@benward> Hi Zerq :)
  80. # [09:46] <zerq> wow someones alive :3
  81. # [09:46] <@benward> Indeed.
  82. # [09:46] <@benward> Well, actually, I'm quite sick, so maybe only 50
  83. # [09:46] <@benward> 50%, rather
  84. # [09:46] <@benward> As for your idea…
  85. # [09:46] <@benward> There are two parts.
  86. # [09:47] <@benward> One is inconsistant date formats, which is a problem when moving between the USA and European date formats all the time.
  87. # [09:47] <zerq> yes that of coarse :|
  88. # [09:47] <@benward> Year-Month-Day is unambiguous and sites that demand age verification could be clearer if they used that.
  89. # [09:48] <zerq> wait!
  90. # [09:48] <@benward> Of course, the other version is to switch the month into named form, rather than numeral
  91. # [09:48] <zerq> ah... i mean the microformat would expose what ratings the game would have... so its more an issue of what ratings are used in various regions..
  92. # [09:49] <singpolyma> zerq: That's not going to be legally binding
  93. # [09:49] <singpolyma> The point of entering a birth date is that the user has stated they are of a certain age
  94. # [09:49] <singpolyma> For legal reasons
  95. # [09:49] <zerq> well just how legaly binding is it if a 10 year old claims he is 90?
  96. # [09:49] <zerq> he cant sign an agrement....
  97. # [09:49] <singpolyma> Quite. The company is not liable because he lied
  98. # [09:50] <singpolyma> His parents would likely be liable
  99. # [09:50] <@benward> In terms of microformats, there are then two parts.
  100. # [09:50] <zerq> so basicaly people dont care what actualy works...
  101. # [09:50] <zerq> only what the lawyers say
  102. # [09:50] <singpolyma> Yes
  103. # [09:50] <@benward> Yep
  104. # [09:50] <zerq> lawyers suck balls
  105. # [09:51] <@benward> 1. If the site has taken an OpenID/URL-based login already, then there could be an hCard read at the other end with a published birth month/year.
  106. # [09:51] <singpolyma> Otherwise typing my name in a box and hitting "I agree" would not be a legally binding signature :P
  107. # [09:51] <zerq> well cant the browser check age validation the first time a agre rated site is visited?
  108. # [09:51] <@benward> 2. The site could use a stanard set of classnames for the day/month/year form fields, and browsers existing auto-complete funtionality could be enhanced to respond to them
  109. # [09:52] <@benward> In microformats as they stand, we don't have granular classnames for dates, though.
  110. # [09:52] <zerq> oh well at least i hope the wolfensite.com sites creator gets fried and rehired and fired again!
  111. # [09:52] <zerq> the site accepted the date "82 80 1982"!!!
  112. # [09:52] <zerq> i ment to write 08
  113. # [09:53] <zerq> age gates are to annoying
  114. # [09:53] <singpolyma> benward: I think HTML5 has some new date input field, although support for that is obviously a ways out
  115. # [09:53] <@benward> Yes, that's true
  116. # [09:53] <@benward> <input type=date>
  117. # [09:53] <zerq> cant we just strangle all the lawyers and drown any babies that look even remotely like they will grow up to be laywers
  118. # [09:53] <@benward> That's outside the scope of microformats.
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  120. # [09:53] <zerq> ya i know..
  121. # [09:53] <zerq> :(
  122. # [09:53] <singpolyma> zerq: We can only do that once we have a legal system simple enough for the people to understand
  123. # [09:54] <@benward> singpolyma The problem with <input type=date> is taht the fallback is to a standard text field.
  124. # [09:54] <singpolyma> benward: That's a perfectly sane fallback. Most webby languages have a nice date parser around
  125. # [09:54] <@benward> Which is fantastic, in a technical progressive enhancement way. But, I suspect, the user experience of entering a full date in a single field, will cause errors.
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  127. # [09:54] <@benward> Sites use separate input fields for day/month/year for a reason
  128. # [09:55] <@benward> Now, when browser support for type=date is large enough, sure, there will be a switch, but it won't be as super-soon as with other aspects of HTML5
  129. # [09:55] <singpolyma> Hmm, maybe. People are used to writing out full dates. I guess if they went for an XX/YY/ZZ approach there would be trouble
  130. # [09:56] <zerq> why cant it just ask are you over over 18 or wher ever the country reqires... yes no....
  131. # [09:56] <zerq> then its a matter of internationalization...
  132. # [09:56] <singpolyma> zerq: Pretty sure the UI is mandated by lawyers
  133. # [09:56] <zerq> append the age data to the culture/language data
  134. # [09:57] <zerq> lawyers again!
  135. # [09:57] <singpolyma> Most problems of this sort can be traced to lawyers or bankers :)
  136. # [09:57] <zerq> the beurocrats will kill us all by strangleing us in red tape!
  137. # [09:58] <singpolyma> zerq: You always have the option of moving somewhere where there are no lawyers (such places exist), but the 1st world has them and that's who makes the online content
  138. # [09:58] <zerq> dont get me started on bankers.... They steal the value of or currency!
  139. # [09:59] <zerq> i which i was religious so i could relax in the knowlage that they would end up in hell
  140. # [10:01] <@benward> Heh. Let's keep focused on the microformats please, zerq :)
  141. # [10:01] <zerq> oki oki :3
  142. # [10:05] <singpolyma> Haha, I think this is the most topical channel on freenode
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