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  75. # [19:19] <madness> tantek: re: principles not sure yet. I'll look for more.
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  106. # [22:16] <panik> hey all
  107. # [22:16] <panik> how can i hide a div class=fn from my webpage but still have it come through on my vcard
  108. # [22:17] <@tantek> why do you want to put hidden data on your page?
  109. # [22:18] <@tantek> is there not an fn you can markup?
  110. # [22:18] <@tantek> a *visible* fn
  111. # [22:18] <panik> my fn n is an img
  112. # [22:18] <panik> with i had a typekit invite lol
  113. # [22:19] <panik> *wish
  114. # [22:21] <csarven> That might depend on the parser. AFAIK, Operator is able to differentiate between hidden and visible
  115. # [22:22] <panik> im going to try visibility: hidden
  116. # [22:22] <panik> once it's all setup
  117. # [22:23] <panik> do i use technorati to parse the vcard to download it?
  118. # [22:23] <panik> im confused about that
  119. # [22:24] <csarven> There are many vcard2hcard online transformers. Listed in the wiki somewhere :)
  120. # [22:24] <panik> http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-implementations
  121. # [22:24] <panik> is this the page?
  122. # [22:25] <panik> what is the most popular choice?
  123. # [22:26] <csarven> I'm not sure which is the most popular, but, you can try a few and see which one you like the most or suitable for you
  124. # [22:26] <csarven> Some of them look for various formats in Web pages and may be slower.
  125. # [22:26] <csarven> The Technorati one is pretty simple and quick IIRC
  126. # [22:27] <csarven> Swignition can tackle quite a bit
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  129. # [22:30] <panik> ahh yes technorati one works quite well
  130. # [22:34] <@tantek> panik - you can use fn on the img and put the fn text in the alt
  131. # [22:34] <@tantek> twitter does this for example
  132. # [22:34] <@tantek> alt attribute that is
  133. # [22:34] <panik> ahh no kidding
  134. # [22:34] <@tantek> yes - deliberate part of hCard-parsing
  135. # [22:34] <panik> i thought there would be a way
  136. # [22:35] <@tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-authoring#Photographs
  137. # [22:35] <panik> thx :)
  138. # [22:35] <@tantek> np
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  140. # [22:39] <panik> is this correct
  141. # [22:39] <panik> <a class="url fn" href="http://horvath.me/"><img src="img/peter.png" alt="Peter Horvath"></a>
  142. # [22:39] <panik> i seem to be having trouble with it
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  145. # [23:07] <panik> anyway to get rid of SOURCE: http://... from the notes section?
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  150. # [23:24] <JonathanMalek_> I've posted a draft of hnews--it's not linked yet from anywhere, as I need a bit more time to clean it up, and I'm really concerned about the two "required" fields we have, given the direction from Saturday's discussion.
  151. # [23:27] <@tantek> JonathanMalek - the root class name being required is reasonable as that is how you identify that the microformat is in use. note that the root class name is not itself a property.
  152. # [23:28] <@tantek> the discussion Saturday was specifically about required properties
  153. # [23:28] <@tantek> and yes, I think source-org should not be required (the term "source-org" feels awkward as well)
  154. # [23:28] <JonathanMalek_> totally understood--and we have two, I believe
  155. # [23:28] <JonathanMalek_> source-org, and principles
  156. # [23:28] <@tantek> and item-license
  157. # [23:28] <JonathanMalek_> agreed
  158. # [23:29] <JonathanMalek_> ah, yes, item-license...
  159. # [23:29] <JonathanMalek_> so, on source-org
  160. # [23:29] <JonathanMalek_> we wanted to use source, it's a common term in the vocabularies
  161. # [23:29] <@tantek> I'll add some issues to news-brainstorming
  162. # [23:29] <JonathanMalek_> but it conflicts with atom:source
  163. # [23:29] <@tantek> but in short - I don't think this is ready to be a "draft" per se - that is, encouraging people to use the vocabulary
  164. # [23:30] <@tantek> "source" is overloaded yes
  165. # [23:30] <JonathanMalek_> and if hatom ever adopts that, we didn't want the name conflict (since we inherit), so--source-org.
  166. # [23:30] <@tantek> before Atom "source" there was also vCard SOURCE
  167. # [23:30] <@tantek> was/is
  168. # [23:31] <JonathanMalek_> understood on being ready for "draft"--just looking for ways to help the conversation along around news-brainstorming, and considering examples would be helpful.
  169. # [23:31] <@tantek> I also think that geo should be proposed as in hatom-brainstorming as an addition to hAtom directly
  170. # [23:31] <JonathanMalek_> agreed
  171. # [23:32] <@tantek> right, moving forward from brainstorming towards authoring a draft is good.
  172. # [23:32] <JonathanMalek_> the idea is to "promote" properties up wherever possible, without forcing specialization into hatom
  173. # [23:33] <JonathanMalek_> I think geo belongs there, and I believe there is already a recommendation for that
  174. # [23:33] <@tantek> we don't have a way to distinguish a "first-draft" from more mature "drafts" right now - and the Category is being used as styling only for more "mature" drafts and thus perhaps that needs changing (and perhaps the header of the page accordingly as well)
  175. # [23:33] <JonathanMalek_> got it
  176. # [23:33] <JonathanMalek_> will do
  177. # [23:33] <@tantek> brainstorming should link to such a recommendation in hatom-brainstorming with a fragment id
  178. # [23:33] <JonathanMalek_> ok, will do that too
  179. # [23:33] <@tantek> past efforts have fully written a draft spec on the brainstorming page before moving it to its own page
  180. # [23:34] <JonathanMalek_> ah
  181. # [23:34] <@tantek> and included a "naming" section on the brainstorming page which discusses various naming options
  182. # [23:34] <@tantek> with advantages/disadvantages
  183. # [23:34] <@tantek> which avoids the problem of having to come up with a name just to create a first draft of a spec
  184. # [23:34] <@tantek> (in this case obviously it is likely that hNews is a good name, but it's still good to provide a section on the brainstorming page discussing that, and maybe listing a few rejected options)
  185. # [23:35] <@tantek> (with reasoning)
  186. # [23:35] <@tantek> btw, JonathanMalek, just want to say I really appreciate the throughness of the work you have done on the news microformat
  187. # [23:37] <@tantek> developing a new microformat is not easy (nor should it be), and those that come along later will see the path of research, analysis, and reasoning that made its way into the spec
  188. # [23:37] <JonathanMalek_> we have a Naming section in brainstorming, but no discussion has occurred on it in the past couple of weeks. Warnock's Dilemma ;)
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  190. # [23:46] <JonathanMalek_> tantek: thanks! Anything worth doing is worth doing right, and doing this right...
  191. # [23:48] <JonathanMalek_> I'll move this all into the brainstorming section
  192. # [23:56] <@tantek> thanks much JonathanMalek
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