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  105. # [19:36] <ethicaljunction> Hey guys
  106. # [19:37] <ethicaljunction> If I want to work on developing the hListing brainstorm a bit more - whats the best way to proceed, there seems to be a good foundation there.
  107. # [19:37] <ethicaljunction> http://microformats.org/wiki/hlisting-brainstorming
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  109. # [19:43] <ethicaljunction> I've found the http://microformats.org/wiki/to-do page - which I'm going to review and add to if necessary :)
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  139. # [23:14] <@tantek> ethicaljunction there's been a lot of work on hListing, and it's still considered a relatively "new" format
  140. # [23:14] <@tantek> I'd suggest also joining the microformats-new mailing list
  141. # [23:14] <@tantek> and sending a posting out saying you'd like to help contribute to it
  142. # [23:14] <@tantek> so that folks who have worked on it so far can get to know you and you can all work together
  143. # [23:15] <@tantek> http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-new/
  144. # [23:15] <ethicaljunction> tantek: ok - I'm coding up some hlistings now in BBedit - just to get my head around it .. I'll join now, thanks.
  145. # [23:15] <@tantek> excellent - I use BBEdit as well
  146. # [23:16] <@tantek> just saw your /wiki/to-do additions, looks good
  147. # [23:16] <ethicaljunction> I've refrained from upgrading from 8.x to 9.x (BBedit) - but am tempted to - not sure how much of a shock it will be.
  148. # [23:19] <ethicaljunction> thanks - need to try and keep up to date with work on the wiki - the more I use microformats - the deeper I'll get into the site, really well organised tantek .
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  150. # [23:25] <@tantek> I'm still using BBEdit 7.1.4 - works fine, is compatible with Classic etc. ;)
  151. # [23:26] <@tantek> thanks for your kind words. and the wiki can still be improved a lot - welcome on board!
  152. # [23:36] <ethicaljunction> Cheers ! I still have an old Titanium Powerbook (550Mhz G4) - Good for classic :) - keep wondering what I should do with it.
  153. # [23:37] <ethicaljunction> Anyhow - I've just sent an email to microformats-new - lets see what happens next.
  154. # [23:37] <@tantek> great - that should work
  155. # [23:38] <@tantek> and definitely encourage folks to join you in IRC to discuss things more quickly
  156. # [23:38] <@tantek> there's quite a bit of interest in hListing
  157. # [23:40] <ethicaljunction> cool - I've not seen anything from mailman yet - maybe google has filed it in spam (checking)
  158. # [23:40] <@tantek> be sure to set your client to send as plain text
  159. # [23:40] <@tantek> and send from the address you signed up with
  160. # [23:41] <@tantek> looks like it made it to the archives:
  161. # [23:41] <@tantek> http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2009-September/002093.html
  162. # [23:41] <@tantek> that's you right?
  163. # [23:41] <ethicaljunction> yup
  164. # [23:41] <@tantek> great. add yourself to http://microformats.org/wiki/irc-people also
  165. # [23:41] <ethicaljunction> so its been filed as spam in gmail - fixing that now.
  166. # [23:41] <@tantek> since you have more than one alias and it will help people correlate usernames :)
  167. # [23:42] <ethicaljunction> hmmm thought about changing my irc nick
  168. # [23:43] <ethicaljunction> originally I returned to IRC (after a long break) purely for one thing to do with the company (hence ethicaljunction)
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  170. # [23:44] <ethicaljunction> I might create/ a new ID for irc - tally's more with my online id .. in fact the more I think of it .. signing up for a new freenode nick now :)
  171. # [23:46] <JonathanMalek> tantek: could we open a page dedicated to the "at-most-one-required" concept? Perhaps it's already opened, and I missed it?
  172. # [23:47] <JonathanMalek> I'd like to explore one of the key concepts (Martin addressed it earlier today)
  173. # [23:47] <JonathanMalek> where the choice is between nothing, and using a microformat, it is nearly self-evident that "required" fields are problematic
  174. # [23:50] <@tantek> JonathanMalek - I'm convinced that it should be nothing required now.
  175. # [23:50] <@tantek> the root class alone should mean something
  176. # [23:50] <@tantek> and it makes it *much* easier for folks to get started with microformats
  177. # [23:51] <@tantek> (having run this by first-timers at workshops etc.)
  178. # [23:51] <@tantek> out for lunch
  179. # [23:51] <@tantek> bbiab
  180. # [23:52] <JonathanMalek> however, when there is a gradient of choices, one that presents an increasingly specific expression, I think it's worth considering the exact opposite of that approach--in other words, in specialized derivatives of broad microformats, *nothing* should be optional.
  181. # [23:54] <JonathanMalek> anything (and here, this might be exaggerated) worth capturing as "optional" should be promoted into the base. I'm thinking here specifically of the news format to hatom, where the optional "geo" I believe should be promoted into hatom, and removed from the news format.
  182. # [23:57] <JonathanMalek> tantek: for when you get back, I agree with you. I wonder, however, if there isn't a bit of a false dilemma where the news format is concerned: if someone cannot produce the required fields, it isn't as if they can't produce a uF'd content. In fact, they can: every news formatted story is first and foremost an hatom hentry.
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