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  1. # Session Start: Wed Apr 28 00:00:00 2010
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  9. # [00:36] <@tantek> SF microformats folks
  10. # [00:36] <@tantek> it's been a while since we've done a microformats dinner
  11. # [00:36] <@tantek> how about next Tuesday 2010-05-04 19:00 at 21st Amendment?
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  33. # [06:42] <@tantek> http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/5749791/CA/San-Francisco/microformats-web-2-expo-meetup-drinkup/21st-Amendment/
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  69. # [12:59] * tobyink is getting pretty close to a decent Microformats-in-Atom parser...
  70. # [13:00] <@tantek> ooh awesome
  71. # [13:00] <tobyink> http://goddamn.co.uk/viewvc/perlmods/XML-Atom-Microformats/
  72. # [13:01] <tobyink> I've added my suggested syntax for linking to uf profiles to the wiki.
  73. # [13:01] <tobyink> in short <entry><link rel="profile"></entry> for per-entry profiles; and <feed><link rel="profile"></feed> for an all-entries profile.
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  77. # [15:56] <@tantek> tobyink - that's good proposal for the use of rel-profile with Atom
  78. # [15:56] <@tantek> I've written a brief description of your suggested syntax on the rel-profile page: http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-profile#Atom
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  83. # [16:49] <mwunsch> Food Network recipes appearing as Google Rich Snippets: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=baked+macaroni+and+cheese&aq=1&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=baked+mac&;gs_rfai=
  84. # [16:49] <mwunsch> big win for hrecipe!
  85. # [16:49] <@tantek> awesome!
  86. # [16:49] <@Phae> oh, very cool
  87. # [16:49] <@tantek> that's worth posting some screenshots to Flickr!
  88. # [16:49] <@Phae> need to show this to the food people here at the bbc.
  89. # [16:49] <mwunsch> allrecipes.com (our arch-rivals) also
  90. # [16:50] <@tantek> Phae, as one of the hRecipe instigators from way back - wanna do a blog post about hRecipe rich snippets on microformats.org ?
  91. # [16:50] <@tantek> it's certainly come a long way
  92. # [16:50] <@tantek> and you have/know the history
  93. # [16:50] <@Phae> mwunsch: do you know anything more about the team behind Food Network?
  94. # [16:51] <mwunsch> I'm on the team of Food Network!
  95. # [16:51] <@Phae> tantek: yep. was thinking of an update for this week. as I was saying yesterday (i think) bbc wildlife finder is using the species propsal work too
  96. # [16:51] <@tantek> oh and Google Rich snippets supports hCalendar too
  97. # [16:52] <@tantek> the visible results of microformats in search results is one of the best demonstrations of how microformats work well for user experience and site usability/findability
  98. # [16:52] <@Phae> yeah
  99. # [16:52] <@Phae> it's really cool
  100. # [16:52] <@tantek> definitely worth including some screenshots!
  101. # [16:53] <@Phae> mwunsch: oh, i'm sorry. my apolos. fancy emailing me a little summary about why and how you put in the hRecipe for a blog quote?
  102. # [16:53] <mwunsch> Sure thing
  103. # [16:53] <@Phae> makes posts a bit richer
  104. # [16:53] <mwunsch> here's the link to google's announcement: http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2010/04/better-recipes-on-web-introducing.html
  105. # [16:53] <@tantek> agreed - first hand developer testimonials mean a lot
  106. # [16:54] <@Phae> cheers
  107. # [16:56] <@tantek> and here's the google announcement of hCalendar rich snippets: http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2010/01/introducing-new-rich-snippets-format.html
  108. # [16:57] <@Phae> ok, i think i'll title this as a general "web snippets appearing in google results" or some such and get all of that in.
  109. # [16:58] <@tantek> that sounds like a great focus
  110. # [16:59] <@tantek> here is the previous post on microformats.org that mentioned rich snippets: http://microformats.org/2009/05/15/rich-snippets-microformat-search
  111. # [16:59] <@Phae> weet
  112. # [17:00] <@tantek> perhaps explicitly mention events and recipes - "Google adds support for hCalendar and hRecipe Rich Snippets" or something like that.
  113. # [17:00] <@Phae> yeah, that's more specific
  114. # [17:02] <mwunsch> Phae, where can i get your email addy?
  115. # [17:02] <@Phae> fberriman@gmail will do
  116. # [17:03] <mwunsch> ok
  117. # [17:03] <mwunsch> i blogged: http://mwunsch.tumblr.com/post/556026977/hrecipe-snippets
  118. # [17:03] <@Phae> i'll link you up
  119. # [17:06] <@tantek> and here's a tweet by one of the Plancast founders being pleased with the hCalendar Rich Snippets shown for Plancast: http://twitter.com/jaymon/status/8982772441
  120. # [17:14] <tobyink> It would be nice if we could get http://microformats.org/wiki/hrecipe-issues#issue-20100325 resolved now that hRecipe is getting lots of exposure.
  121. # [17:14] <@Phae> mmhmm
  122. # [17:16] <@tantek> I'll repeat my support for Toby's issue and suggested resolution.
  123. # [17:16] <tobyink> the suggested use of class=value in hRecipe 0.22 is actively harmful to parsers implementing proper value excerption.
  124. # [17:18] <mwunsch> tobyink, tantek: I agree, and those should be removed, however i think there should be a way to specify quantity/measurement
  125. # [17:18] <mwunsch> So if a recipe called for <li class="ingredient">A baker's dozen eggs</li>
  126. # [17:18] <tobyink> google's currently suggesting class=amount and class=name within class=ingredient
  127. # [17:19] <mwunsch> tobyink: I like that
  128. # [17:19] <@tantek> could you document it on the recipe-brainstorming page so we can explore alternatives?
  129. # [17:19] <mwunsch> <li class="ingredient"><span class="amount"><span class="value-title" title="13"></span>Bakers Dozen</span> <span class="name">eggs</span></li>
  130. # [17:20] <@tantek> perhaps with a simpler DRY example first?
  131. # [17:20] <@tantek> the value class pattern (especially value-title) should only be used in *exceptional* cases, not as a general rule
  132. # [17:20] <@tantek> only when the human visible quantity/value is not machine parsable
  133. # [17:21] * @tantek would actually prefer <abbr class="value" title="13">Baker's Dozen</abbr> because it is correct and the title attribute is human readable/listenable
  134. # [17:22] <@tantek> and forms a tighter association between the machine value and the human informal term
  135. # [17:22] <@tantek> also - note that there is a whole measurements/quantities brainstorming effort too
  136. # [17:23] <@tantek> (including units etc.)
  137. # [17:24] <@tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/measure-brainstorming
  138. # [17:25] <@tantek> (though I think the measure schema proposed is overkill for the 80/20)
  139. # [17:25] <@tantek> (not simplified/minimal enough)
  140. # [17:34] <mwunsch> (i agree)
  141. # [17:35] <tobyink> seen? http://microformats.org/wiki/measure
  142. # [17:35] <tobyink> It makes <span class="hmeasure">1.5 kg</span> a valid hmeasure thanks to smart minimisation rules.
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