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  1. # Session Start: Sat Dec 04 00:00:00 2010
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  17. # [20:13] <hober> Looking into the license for existing-rel-values
  18. # [20:13] <hober> Three authors made changes to that page before 2007-12-29.
  19. # [20:13] <hober> tantek and andy mabbett both have PD declarations on their author pages
  20. # [20:14] <hober> the third author, Makacow, doesn't have a user page
  21. # [20:14] <hober> so the content by makacow isn't PD
  22. # [20:14] <hober> it was a small change and that content is still on the page (he or she spotted rel=details being used in the wild)
  23. # [20:15] <hober> were we to remove the mention of rel=details, we could add the cc-pd-license template to the page
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  26. # [20:20] <@tantek> good morning
  27. # [20:21] <@tantek> the cc-pd-license is only applicable to User: pages as it is written
  28. # [20:21] <@tantek> do you have the diff URL of Makacow's change(s) to rel-license?
  29. # [20:22] <hober> http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=existing-rel-values&diff=22188&oldid=22045
  30. # [20:23] <hober> re: the template being applicable only to user pages, that doesn't match our established copyright practice:
  31. # [20:23] <hober> "As more contributors add a public domain declaration to their user pages, and more non-public-domain content is removed, more pages fully enter the public domain. After reviewing such pages, the microformats admins will add the http://microformats.org/wiki/Template:cc-pd-license template to them to explicitly indicate that all content of the page is in the public domain."
  32. # [20:23] <hober> -- http://microformats.org/wiki/Microformats_Wiki:Copyrights
  33. # [20:24] <hober> it's worth mentioning that the WHATWG RelExtensions page also mentions rel=details
  34. # [20:24] <@tantek> oh right
  35. # [20:24] <hober> but doesn't attribute the proposal to anywhere
  36. # [20:24] <hober> http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/RelExtensions
  37. # [20:24] <@tantek> sorry I had the "declaration" and "license" mixed up
  38. # [20:25] <hober> *nod*
  39. # [20:27] <hober> the only use of rel=details in the wild that I'm able to find by googling is on w3.org
  40. # [20:27] <@tantek> well this is particularly easy, I just checked w3.org and w3.org's News page, and there is no presence of rel="details" so I'm simply going to remove (undo) Makacow's edit in its entirety as it doesn't add any real world information.
  41. # [20:27] <hober> yeah, actually, now that i've clicked through, it's in plain text
  42. # [20:27] <hober> e.g. http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/Europe/200207/rsscal/xslt-rss-events.html
  43. # [20:27] <@tantek> if someone finds it in the future, they can always add it and cite a precise URL
  44. # [20:27] <@tantek> right
  45. # [20:27] <hober> cool
  46. # [20:29] <hober> yeah, the circa-2002 w3.org markup guidelines call for using rel=details: http://www.w3.org/2002/10/scrape/WG-Style-Guidelines.html
  47. # [20:29] <hober> but those guidelines don't appear to be used anymore
  48. # [20:30] <hober> I'll remove the mention from the WHATWG RelExtensions page
  49. # [20:31] <@tantek> edit made to existing-rel-values page accordingly: http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=existing-rel-values&diff=43360&oldid=43300
  50. # [20:31] <hober> cool. can you add the cc-pd-license template too?
  51. # [20:32] <@tantek> hober - since you did the checking of the history to verify no other non-PD edits, you should add the template
  52. # [20:34] <@tantek> btw re: that w3.org home page markup guidelines - probably worth adding this to a brainstorming section somewhere: http://www.w3.org/2002/10/scrape/WG-Style-Guidelines.html#apc1
  53. # [20:34] <hober> ok, will do
  54. # [20:36] <hober> while we're looking at the wiki, how do I go about deleting a (spam) page?
  55. # [20:36] <@tantek> I was just about to do some of that
  56. # [20:36] <@tantek> I think you need to be a wiki admin to do that
  57. # [20:37] <hober> makes sense
  58. # [20:38] <@tantek> ah there is wikimedia terminology here
  59. # [20:38] <@tantek> SysOps
  60. # [20:38] <@tantek> and Bureaucrats
  61. # [20:41] <@tantek> spam removed and spammers blocked
  62. # [20:41] <hober> well, if you feel generous with the lowest-power setting that lets me clean up spam, I'll happily do so when I notice it, like I do on the whatwg wiki
  63. # [20:41] <@tantek> I would be happy to propose that to the other admins
  64. # [20:42] <hober> incidentally, the existing-rel-values page has never been spammed.
  65. # [20:42] <@tantek> that is interesting
  66. # [20:42] <hober> (which I'll be pointing out in my CP to make HTML5 reference it for rel values)
  67. # [20:42] <@tantek> I'm sure it will be eventually :)
  68. # [20:42] <hober> indeed
  69. # [20:46] <@tantek> hober, just to be sure I have this right, you're volunteering to help out as a wiki-only admin e.g. as noted here: http://microformats.org/wiki/admins#Wiki-only_admins
  70. # [20:53] <@tantek> hober, it might be interesting to note the # of different contributors to the existing-rel-values page - as an indicator of lower barrier to entry etc.
  71. # [20:54] <hober> yes, already doing so. (14 of them, btw)
  72. # [20:55] <hober> I suppose I'm more broadly volunteering as an admin
  73. # [20:55] <hober> though I don't see myself doing much in the way of mailing list maintenance
  74. # [20:56] <hober> I'm an op in several freenode channels already (#emacs, for instance), and am comfortable with that end of things
  75. # [20:56] <hober> wiki-only is fine though
  76. # [20:58] <@tantek> cool - good to know (about willingness to help out with additional admin stuffs too)
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