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  1. # Session Start: Tue Feb 08 00:00:00 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #microformats
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  6. # [00:36] <@tantek> singpolyma - the difference is between: a brainstorm which has consensus, and *some* solid signs of real world web support
  7. # [00:36] <@tantek> a brainstorm, or even a draft, is purely theoretical to start with
  8. # [00:36] <singpolyma> tantek: Do we then need a process for deadpooling a draft?
  9. # [00:37] <@tantek> that is - no one has implemented it, either as a publisher or as an implementer
  10. # [00:37] <@tantek> good question
  11. # [00:37] <@tantek> I'm ok with letting drafts sit in draft phase however long it takes for the market to eventually reach interest
  12. # [00:37] <@tantek> we can of course categorize drafts as no active market interest for the past n years
  13. # [00:38] <singpolyma> So, "spec" status is more like a trophy ("yay, you have users!") rather than a useful piece of metadata?
  14. # [00:39] <@tantek> specification means there were people OTHER than those who thought up the microformat who thought it was useful enough to deploy on real world website(s), both as at least one publisher, and one consumer
  15. # [00:39] <@tantek> having *someone other than the inventor* implement something is a very good market-based reality check
  16. # [00:39] <@tantek> that's not just a "trophy"
  17. # [00:39] <@tantek> or I'm misunderstanding what you mean by "trophy"
  18. # [00:40] <singpolyma> What I'm wondering is how that's useful information to someone coming to the wiki? "Draft" doesn't mean "don't implement this" it means "not a lot of people have yet" ... why do I, as someone who finds a microformat useful, care if a lot of others use it?
  19. # [00:40] <singpolyma> I see why that data is maybe useful internally
  20. # [00:40] <singpolyma> but I'm not sure I see the value to users
  21. # [00:40] <singpolyma> implementors
  22. # [00:46] <@tantek> one of the first questions anyone asks about any new technology is - has anyone implemented this?
  23. # [00:46] <@tantek> or is anyone supporting this?
  24. # [00:47] <@tantek> and - is this fairly well figured out, or are there lots of questions/doubts still
  25. # [00:47] <@tantek> those are all valid distinctions
  26. # [00:47] <@tantek> draft vs. spec makes that clear (real world publisher(s), implementer(s), all outstanding issues resolved)
  27. # [00:47] <@tantek> that's the value
  28. # [00:48] <@tantek> in practice - nearly everyone who approaches a microformat asks those questions
  29. # [00:48] <hober> Yeah, you want to capture the fact that there's a substantial body of published content out there, verses something that someone just cooked up one day.
  30. # [00:49] <singpolyma> Interesting. Ok
  31. # [00:49] <singpolyma> Just that whenever I see "draft" I think "experimental"
  32. # [00:49] <singpolyma> But that's maybe just me
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  34. # [01:19] <@tantek> singpolyma - yes, draft does mean experimental
  35. # [01:19] <@tantek> and in that regard, the next step, specification, means stable
  36. # [01:19] <@tantek> and "standard", the new proposed labeling, means market accepted
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