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  1. # Session Start: Mon Feb 21 00:00:00 2011
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  36. # [16:50] <gym_jane> hi all
  37. # [16:51] <gym_jane> any microformat ninjas around?
  38. # [16:51] <gym_jane> can you microformat a blog post?
  39. # [16:52] <singpolyma> gym_jane: you mean hAtom?
  40. # [16:53] <gym_jane> hmm i have no idea tbh
  41. # [16:53] <gym_jane> lol
  42. # [16:53] <gym_jane> its a wordpress blog
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  45. # [17:15] <csarven> gym_jane You may be able to find an existing microformats theme/plugin for WP. I don't know what state they are in however. Have your HTML output something like this: <div class="hentry"><h1 class="entry-title">Hello World!</h1><div class="entry-content"><p>My first post.</p></div><p>Written by <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">Jane Smith</span></span> on <span class="published"><span class="value">2011-02-21</span></span>
  46. # [17:16] <@Phae> the sandbox theme was a pretty decent out-of-the-box starter with microformatty niceness
  47. # [17:16] <@Phae> i assume it's 3.0+ compat
  48. # [17:16] <@tantek> csarven - you don't actually need the <span class="value"> markup. just the "published" span is enough (with the ISO datetime inside)
  49. # [17:17] <csarven> tantek I see. I thought this value/value-title was the preferred method nowadays.
  50. # [17:17] <@tantek> you only need value/value-title if you're duplicating the content with human and machine readable variants
  51. # [17:17] <csarven> I personally still use <abbr class="published" title= :)
  52. # [17:17] <@tantek> the *preferred* method is to not duplicate the content
  53. # [17:17] <@tantek> which, if you just use internationally human-readable ISOdates - work just fine
  54. # [17:18] <@tantek> csarven - the abbr is fine if you *only* put the date
  55. # [17:18] <@tantek> in the title
  56. # [17:18] <@tantek> if you're putting a full iso datetime - then you're causing accessibility problems for some folks.
  57. # [17:18] <@tantek> (in the title attribute)
  58. # [17:19] <@tantek> you can still use abbr - for dates and times, but that's when you need to use class="value" and separate abbr elements for date and time
  59. # [17:23] <@tantek> Phae, I just restarted apache btw
  60. # [17:23] <@Phae> thanks
  61. # [17:24] <@tantek> site seems to be back up - I couldn't find anything obvious in the error log that would indicate why it went down.
  62. # [17:24] <@Phae> :/ odd
  63. # [17:25] <Loqi> [[parsers]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=parsers&diff=43623&oldid=43622&rcid=56617 * Tantek * (-196) Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/Leifnsn|Leifnsn]] ([[User talk:Leifnsn|Talk]]) to last version by [[User:TobyInk|TobyInk]]
  64. # [17:25] <Loqi> [[Special:Log/block]] block * Tantek * blocked [[User:Leifnsn]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites
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  70. # [18:28] <Loqi> [[admins]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=admins&diff=43624&oldid=43389&rcid=56619 * Phae * (+1) email update
  71. # [18:28] <Loqi> [[admins]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=admins&diff=43625&oldid=43624&rcid=56620 * Phae * (+1) can't even spell my own name, apparently :)
  72. # [18:32] <@tantek> hober, we should finalize plans for the microformats dinner/drinks on Tuesday
  73. # [18:32] <@tantek> last we chatted I think we were chatting about moving the venue from 21A (since we've gone there a lot) to Naan 'N Chutney in the Lower Haight, followed by Toronado afterwards - does that still sound good to you?
  74. # [18:36] <@Phae> don't over do it. you've gotta save yourselves up for the one I can actually come to :)
  75. # [18:37] <@Phae> aw @ whoever added me as a special guest star on the event page
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  82. # [20:57] <SimonW> Quick easy question: if I'm microformatting up something that's in Austin, what do I put after the Z ?
  83. # [20:58] <SimonW> (hate hate hate timezones)
  84. # [21:08] <@tantek> SimonW - you don't use Z if you want to markup Austin's timezone
  85. # [21:09] <@tantek> SimonW - also - is NatBat on here? Could you ask which docs in particular " are NOT clear at all" in reference to this tweet: https://twitter.com/Natbat/status/39764301744971777
  86. # [21:10] <@tantek> would love to know which wiki pages she found unclear so we can improve them
  87. # [21:11] <SimonW> she was talking about this one http://microformats.org/wiki/datetime-design-pattern
  88. # [21:11] <@tantek> note the note at the top of that page
  89. # [21:11] <SimonW> linked to from the hcalendar-cheetsheet page, which links to that for the "(ISO date)" text
  90. # [21:12] <SimonW> yes, that note makes things even more confusing!
  91. # [21:12] <@tantek> apparently insufficient to indicate the page is out of date?
  92. # [21:12] <@tantek> ok
  93. # [21:12] <@tantek> ah cheatsheet ok
  94. # [21:12] <@tantek> now I understand how you got there
  95. # [21:12] <SimonW> is the value-class pattern supported by any of the microformats ecosystem tools yet?
  96. # [21:12] <SimonW> it doesn't look like h2v handles it
  97. # [21:12] <SimonW> and we were worried about Google's microformats parser as well
  98. # [21:13] <@tantek> X2V, Google, and Operator all support value class pattern
  99. # [21:13] <SimonW> great, that's good to hear
  100. # [21:14] <Loqi> [[hcalendar-cheatsheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hcalendar-cheatsheet&diff=43626&oldid=36589&rcid=56621 * Tantek * (-58) unlink date-time-design until we have fixed that page - sending people there doesn't help.
  101. # [21:20] <SimonW> any hints on how can we represent a time of an event that's in Austin, complete with timezone?
  102. # [21:21] <Loqi> [[value-class-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=value-class-pattern&diff=43627&oldid=42314&rcid=56622 * Tantek * (+241) Google has parsed value-title since January 2010 as part of hCalendar parsing for rich snippets, split consuming/publishing tools
  103. # [21:22] * @tantek wonders when http://austin.adactio.com/ will get updated
  104. # [21:22] <@tantek> SimonW - do you have a sample URL to an event that's in Austin to use as a real world example?
  105. # [21:23] <@tantek> oh and regarding "is the value-class pattern supported by any of the microformats ecosystem tools?" see: http://microformats.org/wiki/value-class-pattern#Implementations
  106. # [21:24] <SimonW> http://lanyrd.com/2011/sxsw/sgkp/ is an example event
  107. # [21:28] <Loqi> [[value-class-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=value-class-pattern&diff=43628&oldid=43627&rcid=56623 * Tantek * (+308) /* FAQ */ add FAQ re: Is the value-class pattern supported from SimonW in IRC, clean up a few prev Qs.
  108. # [21:33] <@tantek> SimonW - your presenting of times and dates looks similar to the 2nd example documented here: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-authoring#Separate_dates_and_times
  109. # [21:35] <@tantek> but as @ginader has pointed out on twitter, using abbr for the full datetime presents accessibility problems. abbr *just* for date is ok though (since ISOdates are the most internationally human usable/readable/accessible date format)
  110. # [21:36] <@tantek> so the key is, do you know what the timezone offset from Z is for that event?
  111. # [21:36] <SimonW> no!
  112. # [21:36] <SimonW> well, it's 6 hours from UTC
  113. # [21:37] <SimonW> but... I'm not sure how to deal with daylight savings time
  114. # [21:37] <SimonW> (which, incidentally, changes half way through SXSW, just to make things extra tricky0
  115. # [21:37] <@tantek> you have to know that in your backend - the timezone offset for any particular event
  116. # [21:38] <@tantek> timezone offset is essentially just a number (+/-)
  117. # [21:38] <@tantek> (there are places in the world with fractional timezones
  118. # [21:38] <@tantek> but we'll leave that for later for the moment)
  119. # [21:39] <@tantek> as far as how to deal with DST, you're going to need to keep track of location/city and their DST offset per time of year (start here for fun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time )
  120. # [21:44] <@tantek> this may be more useful for programming: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoneinfo
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  122. # [21:48] <Loqi> [[value-excerption-value-title-test]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=value-excerption-value-title-test&diff=43629&oldid=39230&rcid=56624 * Tantek * (+207) see value-class-pattern instead
  123. # [22:20] <Loqi> [[opening-hours-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=opening-hours-examples&diff=43630&oldid=43602&rcid=56625 * Tantek * (+1211) fixed up intro and suggestions for clearly paths forward, added issues to the only proposal so far
  124. # [22:25] <Loqi> [[opening-hours-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=opening-hours-examples&diff=43631&oldid=43630&rcid=56626 * Tantek * (+127) add related
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