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  4. # [00:06] <Loqi> [[hrecipe]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hrecipe&diff=43655&oldid=42731&rcid=56659 * Phae * (+346) /* Examples in the wild */ a few more sites with hrecipe
  5. # [00:10] <Loqi> [[hrecipe]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hrecipe&diff=43656&oldid=43655&rcid=56660 * Phae * (+162) /* Implementations */ adding the goog!
  6. # [00:12] <@tantek> Woohoo Phae!
  7. # [00:13] <@Phae> but seriously
  8. # [00:13] <@Phae> this is amazing
  9. # [00:13] <@Phae> i am now possibly about to literally squee
  10. # [00:13] <@tantek> you *should be* literally squeeing :)
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  12. # [00:17] <Loqi> [[hrecipe]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hrecipe&diff=43657&oldid=43656&rcid=56661 * Phae * (-6) /* Authors */ removing incorrect association
  13. # [00:17] <hober> yeah, it's completely awesome
  14. # [00:35] <csarven> http://www.recettes.qc.ca/recettes/recette.php?id=3374
  15. # [00:36] <@Phae> more?
  16. # [00:37] <csarven> Well, I can only check that on webmaster tools. I do not know if the structured data shows up in Google's SERPs in US/Japan.
  17. # [00:40] <csarven> I wrote some of the code for that site a few years ago. Nice to see the new lead keep mf going. The English site is at http://www.recipefeast.com/ but it seems be lagging behind.
  18. # [00:42] <@Phae> if it's using the format, and not already listed, pop it on the wiki page for examples anyway
  19. # [00:55] <@tantek> also foodgeeks.com has hRecipe per: http://twitter.com/ryansnyder/status/40901504294600705
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  21. # [01:25] <Loqi> [[hcard-articles]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hcard-articles&diff=43658&oldid=43652&rcid=56662 * Tantek * (-130) Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/Dan0810|Dan0810]] ([[User talk:Dan0810|Talk]]) to last version by [[User:Tantek|Tantek]]
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  24. # [02:14] <csarven> http://www.coupdepouce.com/recettes-cuisine/recettes/plats-principaux/volaille/poulet-du-general-tao/r/10371
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  42. # [12:43] <Loqi> [[job-listing-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=job-listing-examples&diff=43659&oldid=42880&rcid=56663 * Bcampbell * (+391)
  43. # [12:46] <Loqi> [[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=events&diff=43660&oldid=43645&rcid=56664 * Phae * (+0) move past event
  44. # [12:49] <Loqi> [[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=events&diff=43661&oldid=43660&rcid=56665 * Phae * (+232) /* upcoming */ stub note for vEvent with Glenn Jones
  45. # [12:52] <ChiefRA> guys, I need some help, if any of you available, please tye my nick name here
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  48. # [14:56] [ChiefRA:#microformats PING]
  49. # [14:56] <ChiefRA> anyone online from you guys?
  50. # [15:34] <singpolyma> ChiefRA: Just ask your question. People lurk and will eventually see it. Much more effective than a presence query
  51. # [15:38] <ChiefRA> oki doki
  52. # [15:39] <ChiefRA> I've implemented a vcard and I need an aditional tag for the languages spoken for that person
  53. # [15:39] <singpolyma> ChiefRA: You could use rel=tag
  54. # [15:39] <ChiefRA> rel-tag supports value ?
  55. # [15:40] <ChiefRA> as I need to put many languages
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  57. # [15:40] <ChiefRA> I am having now deifned languages like this <dd>Danish, </dd>
  58. # [15:41] <ChiefRA> one after another the languages are delimited through dd
  59. # [15:41] <ChiefRA> I wanted to implement it like this: <dd class="note" value="language-spoken">Danish, </dd>
  60. # [15:41] <singpolyma> I'm not sure what you mean "supports value"? The languages a person speaks are arguable tags for that person, or categories, so you could use rel=tag or class=category or both
  61. # [15:42] <ChiefRA> with note but it doesn't support the value
  62. # [15:42] <ChiefRA> see the example above.
  63. # [15:42] <singpolyma> What would that syntax mean? value="" isn't allowed on dd... and language-spoken doesn't seem like a value at all
  64. # [15:43] <ChiefRA> can you please build me an example?
  65. # [15:44] <singpolyma> <div class="vcard"><span class="fn">John Smith</span> speaks <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language" rel="tag">English</a></div>
  66. # [15:44] <@Phae> if you were using dd, wouldn't it be more like <dl><dt>languages spoken</dt><dd>danish</dd><dd>french</dd></dl> ? or am i missing what you mean?
  67. # [15:45] <ChiefRA> no, you're right on the spot
  68. # [15:45] <ChiefRA> that's the way I'm using the languages
  69. # [15:45] <ChiefRA> so I would like just to give them an hCard form
  70. # [15:45] <@Phae> you can still use tags as indeicated by singpolyma
  71. # [15:46] <@Phae> woah. i can't type today. indicated
  72. # [15:46] <ChiefRA> yes, but I don't want to append an URL to each language spoken
  73. # [15:46] <ChiefRA> I just want to mention them.
  74. # [15:46] <ChiefRA> like in your example Phae
  75. # [15:46] <ChiefRA> your example is the exact code I';m using on the website right now
  76. # [15:46] <singpolyma> ChiefRA: You could use class="category" if you really don't want to disambiguate with a URI
  77. # [15:47] <@Phae> well, vcard doesn't have a property for language, so a parser isn't going to do anything with them. you could add them as notes, so potentially they have somewhere to live once pulled out of a page
  78. # [15:47] <@Phae> category might be useful, also, if you're looking to distinguish people on that value
  79. # [15:48] <@Phae> but i get the feeling you just want to append the info as just a little bit extra
  80. # [15:48] <@Phae> a side note
  81. # [15:48] <ChiefRA> <dl class="group">
  82. # [15:48] <ChiefRA> <dt>Languages: </dt>
  83. # [15:48] <ChiefRA> <dd>Danish, </dd>
  84. # [15:48] <singpolyma> <dl><dt>Languages</dt><dd class="note">Danish</dd></dl> or some such
  85. # [15:49] <ChiefRA> this is my code, and since I've implemented the hcard on the person, I would like to outline these values (languages spoken) as a hcard values also
  86. # [15:49] <@Phae> yeah, that's what i'm thinking
  87. # [15:49] <@Phae> infact, note could probably just go on the parent dl
  88. # [15:49] <@Phae> indicating you're interested in that whole set
  89. # [15:49] <singpolyma> or put the class="note" on the whole <dl> could work as well, then you just end up with a freeform blob of the whole list
  90. # [15:49] <@Phae> yep
  91. # [15:49] <ChiefRA> ok I'll do it right now and come back in a sec :)
  92. # [15:49] <@Phae> :)
  93. # [15:49] <ChiefRA> thank you
  94. # [15:49] <@Phae> we could do with elaborating on the properties in the spec on the wiki
  95. # [15:49] <@Phae> to suggest possible uses like this, i think
  96. # [15:50] <@Phae> we have no info on what a 'note' actually is
  97. # [15:50] <@Phae> for example
  98. # [15:50] <singpolyma> ChiefRA: Not a note about ยตformats per se, but you might not want to put things like : and , inside the <dd> if you want the data to be meaningful. Better to use CSS, imho. That's more of an opinion, though
  99. # [15:50] <singpolyma> I usually use "note" for bio, but I guess it's pretty freeform
  100. # [15:50] <@Phae> yeah
  101. # [15:51] <@Phae> i noticed that my android phone uses the note field with my google contacts to store machine data about what associated social networks that contact has (i.e. twitter username)
  102. # [15:51] <ChiefRA> so in this case, Phae you think it's appropriate to use the note tag?
  103. # [15:51] <@Phae> i think so
  104. # [15:51] <@Phae> yes
  105. # [15:52] <ChiefRA> anyhow, it works so far, take a look at the first example: http://microformatique.com/optimus/?format=validate&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.galaxies-reborn.com%2Farthur%2Foffices%2Foffices2.htm
  106. # [15:52] <singpolyma> Yeah, if you just need it to be human readable that seems to be working out pretty well
  107. # [15:52] <ChiefRA> I'm using it for offices instead of people, but that;s ok.
  108. # [15:53] <ChiefRA> and the languages is the languages spoken into that particular office.
  109. # [15:54] <ChiefRA> thank you guys, I'll implement it like this and see on the future if there will be a special tag designated for this.
  110. # [15:55] <ChiefRA> I also have a description of each office, which tag should I use for that ?
  111. # [15:55] <ChiefRA> or it's out of the hcard purpose?
  112. # [15:56] <@Phae> that sounds like note territory too. you're wanting to do things that aren't part of hCard
  113. # [15:56] <@Phae> but if you feel they're important enough to be attached you should add them as notes
  114. # [15:56] <@Phae> but don't feel you have to get every thing into a contact card
  115. # [15:56] <@Phae> it's still just meant to be a virtual business card
  116. # [15:56] <ChiefRA> mm ok then, I'll skip the description.
  117. # [15:56] <ChiefRA> but the languages spoken in that office, are useful to fit into the business card.
  118. # [15:57] <ChiefRA> at least in my oppinion
  119. # [15:57] <@Phae> that's good
  120. # [15:57] <ChiefRA> and to feed them all, I've implemented a hfeed tag on a higher DIV. Is that enough ?
  121. # [15:58] <ChiefRA> <div class="hfeed list">
  122. # [15:58] <ChiefRA> like that
  123. # [15:59] <singpolyma> ChiefRA: Nothing prevents you from using good http://microformats.org/wiki/posh to mark up things nicely (like class="language" or the <dl> you're using, or class="description") -- but microformats tend to specifically encode some vocabulary that may not contain a property name for every piece of data you have :)
  124. # [15:59] <singpolyma> You wrapped the hCards in an hfeed? Are they a feed somehow?
  125. # [16:04] <Loqi> [[poshformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=poshformats&diff=43662&oldid=42834&rcid=56666 * Singpolyma * (+98) /* known poshformats */ added POSHstream as a known POSHformat
  126. # [16:07] <ChiefRA> singpolyma the full list of offices, shoule be feeded yes.
  127. # [16:07] <@Phae> but..
  128. # [16:07] <@Phae> it's not something someone would subscribe to?
  129. # [16:07] <@Phae> it's not like an RSS feed
  130. # [16:08] <@Phae> it's just info
  131. # [16:08] <@Phae> it won't be updated with regularity, i assume?
  132. # [16:08] <@Phae> this week: a new office!
  133. # [16:08] <@Phae> kinda
  134. # [16:08] <ChiefRA> well, it's a list of worldwide offices a company has.
  135. # [16:08] <@Phae> yeah
  136. # [16:08] <ChiefRA> so when an office will close, and another will rise,
  137. # [16:08] <@Phae> but it's not a feed of news/info. it's just information. static.
  138. # [16:08] <singpolyma> Not a feed is the sense of an hAtom feed
  139. # [16:08] <ChiefRA> thay will all be in the same list.
  140. # [16:09] <@Phae> you could say everything on the internet was a feed if you thought of it that way
  141. # [16:09] <singpolyma> hAtom is like Atom : blog posts and other regularly updated things or similar
  142. # [16:09] <ChiefRA> ok then I understand it wrong, I thought it's like that, but in a microformats style
  143. # [16:09] <ChiefRA> so what's the purpose of this hfeed tag then?
  144. # [16:09] <singpolyma> < singpolyma> hAtom is like Atom : blog posts and other regularly updated things or similar
  145. # [16:09] <@Phae> http://microformats.org/wiki/hfeed it's part of hatom
  146. # [16:10] <ChiefRA> Phae, so I get it right then ?
  147. # [16:10] <ChiefRA> I'm confused.
  148. # [16:10] <singpolyma> ChiefRA: Are you familiar with Atom or RSS feeds?
  149. # [16:12] <ChiefRA> I'm not an expert if that's what you ask me, I have a clue though
  150. # [16:13] <ChiefRA> they're used to update a very fast changing data, not slow changing data.
  151. # [16:13] <ChiefRA> and you say that these offices may change or not over time.
  152. # [16:13] <ChiefRA> :)
  153. # [16:13] <ChiefRA> and I getting your point correctly ?
  154. # [16:16] <@Phae> well
  155. # [16:16] <@Phae> how fast?
  156. # [16:16] <@Phae> i mena
  157. # [16:16] <@Phae> mean*
  158. # [16:16] <@Phae> offices don't shut daily
  159. # [16:16] <ChiefRA> no, true.
  160. # [16:16] <@Phae> unless you're really unlucky :)
  161. # [16:16] <ChiefRA> they'll be there for years.
  162. # [16:17] <ChiefRA> hope so :)
  163. # [16:17] <@Phae> this doesn't sound like the sort of information that would generally be considered something people would syndicate
  164. # [16:17] <@Phae> you just go to a site and look this stuff up
  165. # [16:17] <ChiefRA> well, anyway, I got your point, the hfeed is obsolente in my situation.
  166. # [16:17] <ChiefRA> :))
  167. # [16:17] <@Phae> i think so
  168. # [16:17] <ChiefRA> google will do a good job updating at least once a month these infos so...
  169. # [16:17] <ChiefRA> :)
  170. # [16:18] <@Phae> think of hfeed/hatom as something you use for news/regularly updated information. like, if your company did bulletins or something like that
  171. # [16:18] <@Phae> yeah
  172. # [16:18] <@Phae> totally
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  174. # [16:19] <ChiefRA> -than kyou so far :)
  175. # [16:19] <ChiefRA> and you're not get rid of me just yes, as I wish to implement the hlisting too :D :)))
  176. # [16:19] <ChiefRA> just yet*
  177. # [16:19] <@Phae> oh noes!
  178. # [16:19] <@Phae> heh
  179. # [16:19] <ChiefRA> I cna't type today ...
  180. # [16:19] <ChiefRA> something is wrong with my fingers :))))
  181. # [16:34] <tobyink> ChiefRA: my parser supports <span class="lang">en</span> to mark up languages spokeb. (Taken from vCard 4.0's LANG property.)
  182. # [16:35] <tobyink> Assuming that one day hCard (or hCard 2.0) is based on vCard 4.0 rather than vCard 3.0, other implementations will presumably also add support.
  183. # [16:41] <ChiefRA> tobyink but in order to be human radable and machine a like, your example should look like this in a "future" microformats markup language: <span class="lang" value="en">English</span>
  184. # [16:41] <tobyink> It supports all the usual microformats patterns, including value-title.
  185. # [16:42] <ChiefRA> tobyink 3 days ago, I left you a pm that your website was down.
  186. # [16:42] <ChiefRA> did you managed to put it back up ?
  187. # [16:42] <ChiefRA> I would like to test it.
  188. # [16:42] <tobyink> So you could do: <span class="lang"><span class="value-title" title="en"></span>English</span>
  189. # [16:42] <tobyink> But that's more annoying to type into an IRC client. :-)
  190. # [16:43] <tobyink> my database always crashes. I'm on an old beta version - really should upgrade it some time.
  191. # [16:44] <ChiefRA> :)))) I could try to implement it if your example is in microformats standards.
  192. # [16:45] <tobyink> my website's back up.
  193. # [16:46] <ChiefRA> is value-title accepted as vcard option ?
  194. # [16:46] <ChiefRA> option = parameter
  195. # [16:48] <tobyink> http://microformats.org/wiki/value-class-pattern#Parsing_value_from_a_title_attribute
  196. # [16:48] <ChiefRA> reading it now, ty
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  199. # [16:53] <ChiefRA> tobyink I've read it, but I didn't see, can this valut-title be nested? I need to list like 4-10 languages in a vcard.
  200. # [16:53] <ChiefRA> value-title*
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  202. # [16:54] <tobyink> You should be able to use something like <span class="lang"><span class="value-title" title="en,de,fr"></span>English, German and French</span>
  203. # [16:56] <singpolyma> tobyink: Would it not be better to use multiple class="lang" instead of comma sep stuff?
  204. # [17:00] <tobyink> yeah - I think I support both, but it's been a while since I looked through the code.
  205. # [17:11] <ChiefRA> bbl guys.
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  207. # [17:23] <Loqi> [[testimonials]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=testimonials&diff=43663&oldid=43329&rcid=56667 * WebCreationUK * (-2) /* Popa Bogdan */
  208. # [17:28] <Loqi> [[value-class-pattern]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=value-class-pattern&diff=43664&oldid=43628&rcid=56668 * TobyInk * (+165) /* consuming and parsing tools */
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