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  1. # Session Start: Fri Apr 08 00:00:00 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #microformats
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  12. # [04:37] <rocky1138> hi all
  13. # [04:38] <rocky1138> anyone around for a discussion about an idea for a possible microformat?
  14. # [04:38] <rocky1138> just reading the wiki and didn't see something similar on the exploratory disc.
  15. # [04:39] <rocky1138> I'll throw it out here and pop in and out to see if it's generated any response since you all might be away, etc.
  16. # [04:40] <rocky1138> problem: browsing websites with images enabled is much slower than with them disabled, but how can a web designer/developer tell the browser which images are important and which are unimportant to the content?
  17. # [04:41] <rocky1138> possible solution ./ idea: a microformat that web developers can use to hint to the browser which ones to show. a Firefox/browser extension would pick up the microformat info and show those, leaving the rest on the server and not requested
  18. # [04:42] <rocky1138> conclusion: browsing would be snappier on these web sites (especially on low-performance machines) while still showing the most important images in the content, etc.
  19. # [04:43] <rocky1138> possible solution / alternate: the same effect may be done with a browser extension and, instead of a microformat, using the z-index to decide priority of the images
  20. # [04:44] <rocky1138> but I'm not sure if that really applies as z-index does not equal priority in POSH
  21. # [04:44] <rocky1138> just throwing out ideas
  22. # [04:46] <rocky1138> simply: instead of "load images on sites" being a boolean, I'd like to see it be "load only high priority images on sites" to help speed up browsing, reduce bandwidth use, etc.
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  26. # [05:40] <csarven> rocky1138 1See the microformat's process in the Wiki.
  27. # [05:44] <csarven> rocky1138 Also, what you describe can be done by the publisher/developer by only including the "important" <img/> in HTML, and use JavaScript to pull in the other ones at user's request. The thing is that when you include <img/> the browser will HTTP GET on those resources. An extension to prevent or prioritize any of that is hacky workaround.
  28. # [05:46] <csarven> If the publisher wants to speed of page load or whatever, they can simply follow good information architecture practices. For example, in this case, they can break a page with many images into multiple pages
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  30. # [05:50] <csarven> Lastly, what you put forward has to do with page performance problems, as opposed to microformats, which is intended to help publish data that's geared for humans consumption by also making them machine processable.
  31. # [05:50] <csarven> IMHO :)
  32. # [05:50] <Loqi> o rly?
  33. # [05:51] <csarven> Is Loqi a bot? I can't remember
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  47. # [10:51] <Loqi> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=43811&oldid=43805&rcid=56834 * Jordanmoore * (+75) /* Individuals */
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  58. # [16:07] <Loqi> [[hreview-feedback]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hreview-feedback&diff=43812&oldid=42307&rcid=56835 * Davemanfi * (+79) example sited.
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  62. # [17:30] <rocky1138> looking for more feedback on my idea for prioritizing image HTTP GET requests using a microformat
  63. # [17:31] <rocky1138> very interested to hear what you guys & gals think, hoping to get a bit of a discussion going
  64. # [17:42] <hober> rocky1138: rel=prefetch doesn't fdo what you want?
  65. # [17:52] <rocky1138> haven't heard of that before, will look into that now and see
  66. # [17:52] <rocky1138> thank you
  67. # [18:01] <hober> html wg adopts microformats wiki for registering rel values: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Apr/0204.html
  68. # [18:04] <@Phae> oo
  69. # [18:07] <@Phae> well, that's kinda interesting
  70. # [18:07] <hober> indeed
  71. # [18:10] <@Phae> probably worth noting the section on reasons they'd revisit that decision
  72. # [18:11] <@Phae> if we want to make sure we're gold with that
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  74. # [18:24] <@Phae> that's an interesting read, regardless of that decision. they make some interesting points/insights into problems or issues with our processes or how we might be viewed as a community
  75. # [18:24] <hober> Yes, we can even use that section as inspiration to proactively improve things
  76. # [18:24] <@Phae> probably worth going through and seeing if we can address some of those points
  77. # [18:24] <hober> definitely
  78. # [18:24] <@Phae> yeah
  79. # [18:24] <@Phae> yay. that's exciting though. i am pleased.
  80. # [18:24] <hober> I'm rather chuffed about it
  81. # [18:24] <@Phae> tantek needs to wake up
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  84. # [18:35] <@Phae> right. gotta go. catch you later.
  85. # [18:35] <hober> later!
  86. # [18:44] <rocky1138> Just finished reading that link about the html wg and microformat's rel value registry
  87. # [18:44] <rocky1138> very cool, congrats :)
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  91. # [19:10] <hober> thanks
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  95. # [19:16] <hober> tantek: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/microformats/20110408#l-67
  96. # [19:19] * @tantek reads
  97. # [19:20] <@tantek> ah very good
  98. # [19:22] <@tantek> yes we should work to address even the "weak" objections/issues related to using the microformats wiki as a rel registry
  99. # [19:29] <@tantek> congrats on the success of your change proposal hober
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  103. # [19:53] <hober> thanks! :) with the issue-27 decision, every single change proposal I've written or helped to write has been adopted by the wg. :)
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