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  27. # [09:11] <Loqi> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=43826&oldid=43811&rcid=56852 * Jlgeering * (+88) /* new and uncategorized examples */
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  33. # [09:56] <Loqi> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hcard&diff=43828&oldid=43679&rcid=56854 * Tantek * (+503) usability improvements: add a simple example right at the top, collapse with "want to create" prose, rename longer introduction to background because that's what it is
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  43. # [11:34] <chiui> hi
  44. # [11:34] <chiui> I have a question on hcards
  45. # [11:34] <@tantek> greetings chiui
  46. # [11:36] <chiui> all examples I see are both semantic and visible to the user
  47. # [11:36] <chiui> what about if I want to have a specific representation e.g. for the address
  48. # [11:36] <@tantek> visible data drives accurate data
  49. # [11:37] <chiui> of course I see it's generally good to do that way
  50. # [11:38] <chiui> but what if I already have both the raw data and a pretty representation.. can I hide the semantic data and show the pretty representation
  51. # [11:38] <chiui> the representation depends on i18n, user preference, stuff...
  52. # [11:39] <@tantek> even if you "already have them" the maintenance cost/risk of such duplicate data results in drift / inaccuracy over time
  53. # [11:39] <@tantek> could you provide a URL to an example that depends on i18n, user preference, stuff...
  54. # [11:39] <@tantek> ?
  55. # [11:40] <chiui> sorry no, it's an unreleased project
  56. # [11:42] <chiui> is it just bad policy to hide the semantic data, or completely wrong and nonworking?
  57. # [11:51] <chiui> tantek, another example is family/given name order
  58. # [11:52] <@tantek> it is bad policy because it is bad longterm
  59. # [11:52] <@tantek> in practice
  60. # [11:52] <@tantek> family/given name order changing is fine - you just have to mark them up explicitly then with "given-name" and "family-name"
  61. # [11:53] <@tantek> in fact it's ok to always do so (use those to mark them up)
  62. # [11:53] <chiui> or telephone numbers which are often displayed with spaces, dashes and other illegal characters
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  67. # [12:01] <@tantek> chiui - could you give an example of such a phone number? (feel free to change the actual #s but use the actual/real "spaces, dashes and other illegal characters" that you speak of)
  68. # [12:02] <chiui> +NN NNN-NNNNNNN
  69. # [12:02] * Loqi slaps chiui with a large trout
  70. # [12:03] <chiui> omnomnom
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  78. # [13:17] <@tantek> chiui - <span class="tel"><span class="value">+NN</span> <span class="value">NNN</span>-<span class="value">NNNNNNN</span></span>
  79. # [13:18] <Loqi> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hcard&diff=43829&oldid=43828&rcid=56855 * Tantek * (+556) /* Value excerpting */ add value excerpting concatenation and example for tel
  80. # [13:18] <@tantek> chiui - now documented, take a look: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Value_excerpting
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  83. # [14:52] <jKnight> I understand the conept of creating an hcard and marking up my content with the appropriate classes within that hcard. But would it be correct or incorrect to mark up content outside that hcard with those same classes ie. I have a site that has the company name listed in a few different places on the site including the hcard I created, would it be wrong to mark up each place with an org cllass?
  84. # [15:08] <csarven> jKnight It would not be incorrect. Nothing stops you from using those class names anywhere, anytime.
  85. # [15:10] <csarven> It is simply the difference between having those data components picked up by a microformats parser or not.
  86. # [15:11] <csarven> Unless there are validators, parsers that do heuristics where they may treat those 'broken' hCards as an hCard. But, I doubt that will be the case (at least not to my knowledge of the parsers), or you have to worry about that. An edge case most likely.
  87. # [15:16] <Loqi> [[wiki-2]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=wiki-2&diff=43830&oldid=43564&rcid=56856 * John david * (+159) /* Credits */
  88. # [15:16] <jKnight> The way that google and other search engines are now handling microformats, would it be beneficial in anyway to uses those classes throughout your site, for better findability?
  89. # [15:23] <Loqi> [[rel-nofollow]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=rel-nofollow&diff=43831&oldid=42920&rcid=56857 * Johndevid486 * (+159) /* additional lists of issues */
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  91. # [15:53] <csarven> jKnight Again, it is either a microformat or not. Whether some systems gives any value to those names is not easy to know nor necessarily consistent over time.
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  93. # [16:17] <jKnight> ok thanks
  94. # [16:59] <Loqi> [[Mac Uninstaller]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Mac_Uninstaller&rcid=56858 * Minnes * (+3176) New page: To uninstall an application on your Mac, you probably only drag the application to the Trash Bin and leave it there. This is because Mac computers are programmed to do the actual uninstall...
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  97. # [17:10] <Loqi> [[hcard-ja]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hcard-ja&diff=43833&oldid=43523&rcid=56859 * KitaitiMakoto * (+1335) sync: english: 2011-04-13T20:15:17
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