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  1. # Session Start: Sat Jun 25 00:00:00 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #microformats
  3. # [00:10] <singpolyma> sandbags: you could namespace it in if you wanted
  4. # [00:10] <singpolyma> it depends what you want
  5. # [00:11] <sandbags> singpolyma: i'm trying to embed more extensive author information into a feed (at the feed, rather than item, level)
  6. # [00:11] <sandbags> it's intended for machine reading, not human
  7. # [00:12] <sandbags> maybe hcard isn't the right approach
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  9. # [00:13] <sandbags> i'm peering at the Dublin Core stuff looking to see what they have along these lines
  10. # [00:13] <singpolyma> look into the RDF vcard stuff
  11. # [00:13] <singpolyma> or the XML PortableContacts
  12. # [00:13] <sandbags> right now I will be both producer & consumer so as long as I make a decision won't hang me, i can live with it
  13. # [00:13] <sandbags> singpolyma: indeed i have not, i've been out of this space a few years
  14. # [00:14] <sandbags> thanks for the keywords
  15. # [00:14] <sandbags> PortableContacts looks ideal
  16. # [00:15] <singpolyma> you could look at my feed https://singpolyma.net/feed/action_stream/?user=2&full for an example of the vcard xml I use
  17. # [00:17] <sandbags> hrmm yes
  18. # [00:17] <sandbags> vcard XML certainly looks more extensive
  19. # [00:17] <sandbags> okay, i'll go with that
  20. # [00:18] <sandbags> thanks!
  21. # [00:22] <singpolyma> :)
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  56. # [15:38] <sandbags> singpolyma: is there significance to the # at the end of that vcard NS URL?
  57. # [15:38] <sandbags> looking at the list of namespaces supported by the RSS validator I see some have # and some don't
  58. # [15:38] <sandbags> seems a bit odd to me to have a # in there
  59. # [15:39] <singpolyma> I just copied the NS URI from the spec :)
  60. # [15:39] <singpolyma> so I assume it needs the #
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  63. # [16:21] <sandbags> singpolyma: fair enough
  64. # [16:21] <sandbags> my recollection was that # in a URL was never actually sent to a server
  65. # [16:21] <sandbags> and so, in principle, is not actually part of the locator
  66. # [16:21] <singpolyma> true, but for NS the URI isn't about fetching anything
  67. # [16:21] <singpolyma> it's just a string
  68. # [16:21] <sandbags> agreed
  69. # [16:22] <sandbags> i just found it unusual to put such a thing in there
  70. # [16:22] <sandbags> but as you say
  71. # [16:22] <sandbags> treat is as an opaque string and move on with your life ;-)
  72. # [16:23] <manu1> The "#" is significant for machines that process the VCard markup.
  73. # [16:23] <manu1> For example:
  74. # [16:23] <manu1> the VCard URL is this: http://www.w3.org/2006/vcard/ns#
  75. # [16:24] <manu1> and the property for "formatted name" is this: fn
  76. # [16:24] <manu1> The full URL for VCard, for the formatted name property is this: http://www.w3.org/2006/vcard/ns#fn
  77. # [16:25] <manu1> If you didn't put the "#" in there, then the "fn" URL would become this: http://www.w3.org/2006/vcard/nsfn (note the last bit of the URL - it doesn't exist)
  78. # [16:25] <manu1> That is, if a machine tried to go to the 2nd (incorrect) URL, a machine would get a 404 and wouldn't be able to discover anything more about the "fn" property.
  79. # [16:25] <manu1> Does that make sense?
  80. # [16:46] <sandbags> there is a URL per property?
  81. # [16:46] <sandbags> i see
  82. # [16:48] <sandbags> yes that makes sense (although given this is based on inference I think you could as easily infer the '#' but there we go)
  83. # [16:48] <sandbags> thanks
  84. # [17:34] <manu1> sandbags, there are cases where you can't infer it - for example, the latest Dublin Core vocabulary is: http://purl.org/dc/terms/ - which results in the following url for the "title" property: http://purl.org/dc/terms/title
  85. # [17:34] <manu1> automatically adding a "#" would blow up in that case. I say this understanding that it would have been nice if there were one way to create vocabulary URLs.
  86. # [17:36] <sandbags> ah yes i see
  87. # [17:37] <sandbags> yes it's always afterwards that we're left to contemplate what could have been ;-)
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