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  1. # Session Start: Fri Aug 12 00:00:00 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #microformats
  3. # [00:14] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/webmagenta] Helpful comparison of RDFa, microdata, and microformats http://t.co/3PoEdzH by @ manusporny
  4. # [01:12] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/cgbourke] @OrkoWilson @GlenJacobs5 @nathanfabio I'm not hatin' on the big red monster,I'm hatom on this fake and he's not the big red monster
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  12. # [03:46] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/rahelab] At the RDFa vs microformats vs schema.org meet-up. Where's my geek badge? #contentstrategy #seo #semanticweb
  13. # [03:56] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/joseuonline] streaming live - Vancouver SEM Metup (#SEO) rdf, microformats, schema.org - can you see this? http://ow.ly/61i7f
  14. # [04:06] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/360Raleigh] I'm giving away TEN 360Raleigh hCards worth hundreds in discounts if we reach 500 Facebook Page Likes before we... http://fb.me/FhlZQCwF
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  17. # [04:41] <KevinMarks> is Loqi a bot? Tantek was talking to Loqi earlier
  18. # [04:41] <Loqi> yeah!
  19. # [04:41] <KevinMarks> where's your source, Loqi?
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  25. # [05:30] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/cellartracker] @jeremyross Yes I tagged with microformats back in March and applied to have Google recognize them. They seem to have just turned them on.
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  31. # [07:25] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/leadingsource] I became a representative for www.hCard.com today! Our Mission is best explained at www.fundingtheheartofamerica.com. Way cool!
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  34. # [08:51] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/neogeografen] Lykkes at flette AC/DC-Hemingway ind i et indlæg om Vesterbros kirker http://t.co/LewulbL
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  46. # [10:46] <ChiefRA> guys, have you seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgFb6Y-UJUI&feature=feedu
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  48. # [11:27] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/bunrod] @netcom_ks Godt å høre :) Men sim-nr blir vanskelig, modifiserte sim-kortet til microformat da jeg veksler mellom iPad og Minirutern...
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  51. # [12:13] <@tantek> KevinMarks - you'll have to ask Loqi's author, aaronpk
  52. # [12:13] <@tantek> ChiefRA - good find, watching now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgFb6Y-UJUI on rel=author
  53. # [12:15] <ChiefRA> tantek thanks, the next one on the same line is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG3Oh7Ues8A&feature=feedu
  54. # [12:17] <@tantek> hmm - if rel=author is used to show photos of authors next to things, then how does one avoid author-spoofing, e.g. someone posts "nastydocument.html" which links with rel=author to "reputableperson.example.com"?
  55. # [12:18] <ChiefRA> is by linking back from the authors authentic profile,
  56. # [12:18] <ChiefRA> back to the rspective site.
  57. # [12:18] <@tantek> so you have to link to everything you author from your personal site home page?
  58. # [12:18] <ChiefRA> they give this example only with Google Profile +
  59. # [12:19] <ChiefRA> yeah, at least this is what I've understood: you post on site1.com a post written by autor X
  60. # [12:19] <ChiefRA> then, from this post on site1.com , put a link with rel=author to either a bio page of the Author X on the same website1.com, or to his BIO website.
  61. # [12:20] <@tantek> I'm hoping they support this with linking via rel=author to any personal site, not just a Google profile
  62. # [12:20] <ChiefRA> and to close the loop and give credentials that, this post is indeed written by the original author, you have to link back from the BIO website of that Author X, back to that specific post.
  63. # [12:20] <@tantek> and then read the hCard at that personal site for the image/photo to use
  64. # [12:21] <ChiefRA> its on early starting, they said. maybe they'll modify it in time, but as they try to implement all of these with the help of Schema, instead of actual HTML4 like microformats...
  65. # [12:21] <ChiefRA> mhm...
  66. # [12:21] <ChiefRA> we'll see.
  67. # [12:22] <@tantek> ah and they're using rel=me also, very good
  68. # [12:22] <ChiefRA> My supposition is ( hope is not the mother of all fuckups in this case) that this is widely implemented allready, not just on Google profile.
  69. # [12:22] <ChiefRA> as this is done automatically.
  70. # [12:23] <@tantek> well Google profile do support hCard themselves :)
  71. # [12:23] <ChiefRA> :)) they are humans after all :P
  72. # [12:23] <ChiefRA> they started for a few days, to make these types of more advanced videos...
  73. # [12:24] <ChiefRA> and a lot more to come as I see it.
  74. # [12:24] <@tantek> ChiefRA - want to add a link to that video to http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-author ?
  75. # [12:24] <ChiefRA> sure, should I add both of them ?
  76. # [12:24] <@tantek> (since you found it :) )
  77. # [12:25] <@tantek> haven't seen the 2nd one yet
  78. # [12:25] <ChiefRA> ok.
  79. # [12:25] <@tantek> oh dear - the 2nd one sounds like it is going in a hacky direction
  80. # [12:25] <@tantek> and they're billing it as "easier" - ugh
  81. # [12:26] <ChiefRA> :)) I'll add only the first one.
  82. # [12:27] <@tantek> oh boy, they're declaring the query parameter 'rel' as a substitute for the attribute
  83. # [12:27] <@tantek> interesting that they're suggesting the "+Name" text convention
  84. # [12:28] <@tantek> ok good, they're saying the rel attribute is still desired and "more bulletproof"
  85. # [12:29] <@tantek> ChiefRA - might as well add a subsection, Google query parameter rel extension that documents their convention
  86. # [12:29] <@tantek> and links to the 2nd video
  87. # [12:29] <ChiefRA> ok, I'll manage it and then, I'll tell you to have a look at it.
  88. # [12:29] <@tantek> we may not necessarily like it, but we should at least capture it somehow even if it is non-standard, so that others know to look out for it
  89. # [12:30] <@tantek> I have to admit, it is a bit of a clever hack, I just hope no-one has used "rel" query parameters in the URLs already
  90. # [12:31] <@tantek> I suppose following that same line of reason, every <a href> attribute (other than href obviously) could be added as a query parameter. e.g. hreflang=, media=, type= etc.
  91. # [12:32] <ChiefRA> what do you mena by clever hack?
  92. # [12:32] <ChiefRA> mean*
  93. # [12:32] <@tantek> well, to get around the problem of CMSs disallowing authors from setting hyperlink attributes other than the href
  94. # [12:32] <@tantek> heck you could even set class=
  95. # [12:32] <@tantek> hmmm...
  96. # [12:33] <@tantek> I'll have to think more about this
  97. # [12:52] <ChiefRA> sorry, been on the phone
  98. # [13:04] <ChiefRA> I was reading the explicit info posted on google website about authro
  99. # [13:04] <ChiefRA> author*
  100. # [13:07] <@tantek> no problem - for now go ahead and add the links to the videos with specific sections and we can iterate from there
  101. # [13:08] <ChiefRA> ok
  102. # [13:18] <Loqi> [[rel-author]] NM http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=rel-author&rcid=57531 * ChiefRA * (+179) create and improve rel=author
  103. # [13:19] <ChiefRA> tantek like this ?
  104. # [13:24] <@tantek> sure - it's a start :)
  105. # [13:24] <@tantek> not
  106. # [13:24] <@tantek> sure
  107. # [13:24] <@tantek> if it's good to refer to "tagging" persons - there's already been too much confusion about misusing rel for tags.
  108. # [13:25] <@tantek> but don't worry about that part - I can spec-ese it up. go ahead and add the sections for the videos and those links
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  114. # [13:47] <Loqi> [[rel-author]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=rel-author&diff=44388&oldid=44387&rcid=57532 * ChiefRA * (+729) adding Google videos and examples of implementation
  115. # [13:49] <Loqi> [[rel-author]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=rel-author&diff=44389&oldid=44388&rcid=57533 * ChiefRA * (-11) /* Implementations */ minor arrangements
  116. # [13:50] <Loqi> [[rel-author]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=rel-author&diff=44390&oldid=44389&rcid=57534 * ChiefRA * (+24) /* Implementations */
  117. # [13:51] <ChiefRA> ok tantek have a look.
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  120. # [14:01] <@tantek> ChiefRA - thanks much - great that this is captured.
  121. # [14:11] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/RexSFO] Would like to chat w/ fellow #mozcon r's re: use of #Schema #RDFa & #Microformats: hands on implementation & thoughts? #ThankYou! anyone?
  122. # [14:11] <Loqi> [[rel-author]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=rel-author&diff=44391&oldid=44390&rcid=57535 * Tantek * (+860) add entry-title, tweak summary to refer to relation, and document implementation vs extensions, add see also
  123. # [14:13] <ChiefRA> oh boy, tantek you're page looks more professional :))
  124. # [14:13] <ChiefRA> thanks for the help :)
  125. # [14:13] <@tantek> it's our collective page :)
  126. # [14:13] <@tantek> I just made some tweaks to your work ;)
  127. # [14:14] <ChiefRA> you're version of it* looks great
  128. # [14:14] <@tantek> Thanks ChiefRA, and thanks again for pointing out the videos.
  129. # [14:14] <ChiefRA> you're welcome, it's my pleasure to help us getting better and better.
  130. # [14:15] <ChiefRA> to evolve I may say :)
  131. # [14:17] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/RexSFO] On @Quora: Schema, RDFa or microformats? Which is best for long-term success in a com… Answer: http://qr.ae/7rcGk
  132. # [14:23] <ChiefRA> tantek I should add the author parameter to this page as well: http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values
  133. # [14:24] <@tantek> no because it's not an existing rel value and for now appears to only apply to rel=author
  134. # [14:24] <ChiefRA> so where this rel value should be posted first to consider that it is exists ?
  135. # [14:25] <@tantek> could you restate your question?
  136. # [14:25] <ChiefRA> to consider that a certain value exists, should be mentioned first in an official document on W3C or smth?
  137. # [14:26] <@tantek> the rel attribute value of "author" is already listed in existing-rel-values
  138. # [14:53] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/bencolclough] faffing around with bleeding facebook like buttons not working and google not picking up microformats - aaah wish never had begun
  139. # [14:57] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/g_mawr] @briansuda I'm trying to download your PHP code for x2v from http://t.co/HHkOtl3 I can't find it. Could I trouble you for the link?
  140. # [14:57] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/travelfish] @bencolclough have been waiting for microformat pickup for about three years. Get a cuppa :)
  141. # [15:01] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/briansuda] @g_mawr try an older check-in http://bit.ly/q2jPDu
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  144. # [16:34] <singpolyma> tantek: the query param hack is understandable, but it's not a good idea. you end up sending data to remote sites which may change things over there (there will definitely be someone who has ?rel= or ?type= mean something to their app)
  145. # [16:35] <singpolyma> oh, he's out. maybe I'll repeat later. if I remember :P
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  150. # [17:25] <ChiefRA> [17:29] <singpolyma> tantek: the query param hack is understandable, but it's not a good idea. you end up sending data to remote sites which may change things over there (there will definitely be someone who has ?rel= or ?type= mean something to their app)
  151. # [17:25] <ChiefRA> [17:30] <singpolyma> oh, he's out. maybe I'll repeat later. if I remember :P
  152. # [17:25] <ChiefRA> I've repasted while you were gone tantek.
  153. # [17:25] <ChiefRA> guys, have a nice weekend, see you monday. bye
  154. # [17:43] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/mamund] "Shut down the RDFa/Microdata Task Force initiative" - Manu Sporny http://j.mp/pNgDBC #RDF #LOD #RDFa #Microdata #microformats #W3C
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  169. # [19:43] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/jalbertbowdenii] @css3gallery @triptych im entirely biased here, but microformats + POSH already do that. idk about revolutionize...
  170. # [19:44] <@tantek> ChiefRA singpolyma - yeah - there's also the problem of false rel claims in comment boxes.
  171. # [19:44] <@tantek> (with the ?rel= param method)
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  173. # [19:46] <@tantek> and hey singpolyma - you know the drill, add an "issues" subsection under that section regarding the rel query param extension of microformats.org/wiki/rel-author and note your issue so we have it captured and can follow-up!
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  175. # [19:48] <singpolyma> tantek: oh, there's a wiki page? good. I was mostly just skimming backscroll
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  177. # [20:01] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/jeffsayre] Re-reading this great article, An Uber-comparison of #RDFa, #Microdata and #Microformats http://t.co/ytzO0uo /by @manusporny #LinkedData
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  179. # [20:01] <Loqi> [[rel-author]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=rel-author&diff=44392&oldid=44391&rcid=57536 * Singpolyma * (+266) /* query parameter alternative */ query params are not for the author's use
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