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  34. # [03:37] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/arielwaldman] Headed to the @microformats meetup for the first time in forever. Yay, web geeks!
  35. # [03:57] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/leadingsource] @RaleighPicks Have you ever heard of the hCard Program? It is getting ready to launch in Raleigh and will have daily coupon deals. TBC
  36. # [03:59] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/leadingsource] @RaleighDaily The hCard Program is going to launch in a couple of weeks. Local business, schools, people & non-profits working together!
  37. # [04:02] <aaronpk> oh no
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  39. # [04:53] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/4evervital] hCard (Microformat for vCard) - Organize and share your code ...: <div class="vcard"> <p class="fn n"><span clas... http://t.co/cWUOc5UT
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  43. # [05:25] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/kevinmarks] Microformats (@ Westfield San Francisco Centre w/ @chrismessina @t) http://t.co/6N4febBC
  44. # [05:31] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/kevinmarks] OH: how many volcanoes have fax machines? #microformats
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  114. # [10:11] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/Web30_m8y] Microformats | About Microformats http://t.co/NfhAXhUD #web30
  115. # [10:19] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/just_sam] if you liked 'helvetica' and 'objectified', On in london in Oct http://t.co/6lSddcrT .Why don't they use microformats-vEvent tags BAH!
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  117. # [10:40] <Loqi> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=44655&oldid=44605&rcid=57848 * Tantek * (+349) /* Organizations */ Pinewood Shepperton plc
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  120. # [11:37] <Loqi> [[microformats-2]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats-2&diff=44656&oldid=44611&rcid=57849 * Tantek * (+469) JSON output: prefixes are merely identifying/parsing directives and thus unnecessary in the JSON, also need type obv, and everything is syntactically plural (not singular)
  121. # [11:48] <Loqi> [[microformats-2]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats-2&diff=44657&oldid=44656&rcid=57850 * Tantek * (-99) add e-* per discussion at microformats dinner, see [[microformats-2-prefixes]] for more details
  122. # [11:49] <Loqi> [[microformats-2-prefixes]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats-2-prefixes&diff=44658&oldid=44623&rcid=57851 * Tantek * (+789) e-* is in thanks to Ben Ward making good cases for both maintaining hAtom entry-content fidelity, and enabling markup fidelity pass-thru in general.
  123. # [11:56] <Loqi> [[process]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=process&diff=44659&oldid=44621&rcid=57852 * Phae * (+1033) /* related issues questions regarding document stages */ added some further thoughts on standard reversal
  124. # [11:57] <Loqi> [[User:Phae]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:Phae&diff=44660&oldid=42639&rcid=57853 * Phae * (-109) fed up of updating my details. pointing to /about
  125. # [11:58] <@tantek> lol
  126. # [11:58] <@Phae> :)
  127. # [11:58] <@Phae> you'd have thought i'd have learnt my lesson about that by now.
  128. # [11:59] <@tantek> Phae, part of the thinking with explicitly regressing unproductive or ignored drafts or specs is to avoid the problem the W3C has with stagnant / abandoned Recommendations, Working Drafts etc - people confusedly think they're real even though they're not in practice.
  129. # [11:59] <@tantek> thus when things are implicitly ignored/abandoned, it behooves us to communicate that explicitly
  130. # [12:00] <@Phae> I agree. I guess I was partly querying how clearly we ought to distinguish between rubbish drafts and useful ones without enough folk putting in effort on them (although lack of the latter tends to indicate the former)
  131. # [12:00] <@tantek> we aren't being negative per se, we're merely communicating a negative fact explicitly
  132. # [12:00] <@Phae> i guess
  133. # [12:00] <@Phae> yeah
  134. # [12:00] <@tantek> we should err on the side of clarity rather than politeness for technical specs I think - it's not like the specs have feelings (though their authors might)
  135. # [12:01] <@Phae> i do agree. archive is just a funny word. archive doesn't feel that explicit either way. i think that's what i was getting at.
  136. # [12:01] <@tantek> agreed
  137. # [12:01] <@tantek> "archive" implies more merit than abandoned drafts deserve
  138. # [12:02] <@tantek> perhaps we should just make the entire process two-way
  139. # [12:02] <@tantek> just as brainstorms beget drafts beget specs beget standards
  140. # [12:02] <@tantek> we can stipulate if/when standards revert to specs revert to drafts revert to brainstorms
  141. # [12:03] <@tantek> or maybe we let standards remain as standards because of the interoperability component
  142. # [12:03] <@tantek> those in particular might make sense to "archive"
  143. # [12:04] <@tantek> in that they did reach a "final" level of stability and proving themselves out
  144. # [12:04] <@tantek> at some point in time
  145. # [12:04] <@Phae> yeah, that's what i think archive means. 'these were once standards, or pretty much there, but they became out of date'
  146. # [12:04] <@tantek> whereas all other states can unwind/revert
  147. # [12:04] <@tantek> right
  148. # [12:04] <@Phae> there should be a place for all of the above to be rejected though, at any stage
  149. # [12:05] <@Phae> so maybe we just need a big warehouse bucket of things that didn't work
  150. # [12:08] <@tantek> I think that's what brainstorming captures
  151. # [12:08] <@tantek> all ideas good and bad
  152. # [12:08] <@tantek> and that's ok that they're all mixed in there
  153. # [12:08] <@tantek> someone might find something they can re-use elsewhere for example
  154. # [12:08] <@tantek> one person's trash and all that...
  155. # [12:09] <@Phae> i guess, i just thought it might bring focus to the brainstorms that are still pretty active, and those that have stagnated
  156. # [12:09] <@Phae> perhaps this is just a data view problem. active brainstorms etc. need an easier way to be found
  157. # [12:09] <@tantek> so maybe a way to fork-off rejected brainstorms then
  158. # [12:09] <@tantek> foo-brainstorms-rejected
  159. # [12:10] <@tantek> to keep foo-brainstorms more focused on those that are active
  160. # [12:10] <@Phae> yeah. i don't want to hide that useful research, just not get people landing on those first or by mistake
  161. # [12:10] <@tantek> yes
  162. # [12:11] <@Phae> i'd rather people who wanted to work on something saw 5 really active things and not a lot else, than a jumble of dozens. might mean those 5 get worked through faster.
  163. # [12:11] <@Phae> i know you've been following slightloff/brendan etcs debates on w3c. i think we can take point on needing to focus too.
  164. # [12:13] <@tantek> or moreso - enabling/encouraging focus
  165. # [12:13] <@Phae> yes
  166. # [12:13] <@tantek> better if our processes / customs naturally encourage pragmatic focus
  167. # [12:14] <@tantek> while providing an outlet for documenting rejected / dropped ideas
  168. # [12:14] <@Phae> i agree
  169. # [12:14] <@tantek> because it's valuable to have them around to point people to who bring them up again later
  170. # [12:14] <@Phae> definitely
  171. # [12:14] <@tantek> (something W3C is sorely lacking in - documenting the paths not taken or paths rejected)
  172. # [12:14] <@Phae> i would like us to strip back some of the initial landing views and clarify what's hot right now, in some way, i guess.
  173. # [12:15] <@Phae> we have *a lot* of information
  174. # [12:15] <@tantek> initial landing views?
  175. # [12:15] <@Phae> it can be overwhelming
  176. # [12:15] <@Phae> like, the wiki intro pages
  177. # [12:15] <@tantek> we might be talking about different things
  178. # [12:15] <@Phae> they're long
  179. # [12:15] <@tantek> ah yes, we are
  180. # [12:15] <@tantek> so maybe a simple flow diagram for the process itself
  181. # [12:15] <@Phae> no, we're not. but take a view on the current specs/brainstorm
  182. # [12:15] <@Phae> there's like, a zillion links and infos
  183. # [12:15] <@Phae> i dunno. i am veering off a bit. sorry
  184. # [12:16] <@tantek> no problem at all - I agree we need to make our pages all more incremental and accessible
  185. # [12:16] <@Phae> erg. the wiki is grinding to a halt for me now, anyway :)
  186. # [12:16] <@tantek> I was trying to start with the process in particular
  187. # [12:16] <@Phae> yeah
  188. # [12:16] <@tantek> since that's sort of at the core of our strengths (vs. W3C etc.)
  189. # [12:16] <@Phae> yep. seems sensible to me
  190. # [12:17] <@tantek> but yes - better iA / nav / discovery from the home page to wiki home to other pages is key too
  191. # [12:17] <@tantek> in addition to just making the specs easier to pick up and quickly use
  192. # [12:18] <@tantek> because that's where most folks land (I think - need to check stats)
  193. # [12:18] <@tantek> they search for a microformat, they find the spec, they expect to quickly see examples / how-to.
  194. # [12:18] <@Phae> yes
  195. # [12:18] <@tantek> I think that's actually *more* important than the home page(s)
  196. # [12:19] <@tantek> but I don't have the data to back it up - purely a hunch based on how I see developers/designers look for resources on the web
  197. # [12:19] <Loqi> [[microformats-2-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats-2-brainstorming&diff=44661&oldid=44614&rcid=57854 * Tantek * (+1379) adopt itemref isomorphically for microformats 2 rather than the [[include-pattern]]
  198. # [12:20] <@Phae> yeah
  199. # [12:20] <@Phae> i have the same hunch
  200. # [12:20] * @Phae looks for the todo list
  201. # [12:20] <@tantek> so I've been using hCard (spec) as the prototype for spec style improvement
  202. # [12:21] <@tantek> e.g. compare http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard to http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar to http://microformats.org/wiki/hreview
  203. # [12:22] <@Phae> yeah. our todo list is shameful :) i'll work on that later on. *adds meta todo todo list to wunderlist*
  204. # [12:22] <@Phae> yeah, the hcard one is better
  205. # [12:22] <@tantek> thanks - that's good to hear
  206. # [12:22] <@tantek> based on feedback on hCard, I've been slowly redoing hCalendar similarly
  207. # [12:22] <@tantek> hReview is largely still in the "old" style
  208. # [12:23] <@Phae> okay
  209. # [12:23] <@tantek> which BTW, is very much based on W3C style of specs
  210. # [12:23] <@Phae> yeah
  211. # [12:23] <@tantek> as a result of me learning spec-writing there ;)
  212. # [12:23] <@tantek> and taking it as the "way" to write specs, until I got lots of direct feedback from developers / designers complaining etc., got better at writing, etc. etc.
  213. # [12:24] <@Phae> yeah, makes sense.
  214. # [12:24] <@Phae> did i see you sign up to a schema.org event?
  215. # [12:24] <@tantek> I think hCard can be even better still. It's like once you fix one pain point, the others are easier to see.
  216. # [12:25] <@tantek> yes
  217. # [12:25] <@tantek> I should be sleeping now
  218. # [12:25] <@Phae> yes
  219. # [12:25] <@Phae> :)
  220. # [12:25] <@tantek> have to get up in 3 hours
  221. # [12:25] <@tantek> all day schema.org workshop tomorrow hosted by Microsoft in Mountain View
  222. # [12:25] <@tantek> Kevin Marks is also attending
  223. # [12:25] <@Phae> hmm. okay
  224. # [12:26] <@tantek> we held an open microformats meetup last night (er, still tonight by my wakefulness) to openly collect issues, feedback, suggestions, goals etc.
  225. # [12:26] <@tantek> so we have a pretty good idea now
  226. # [12:26] <@Phae> i saw
  227. # [12:26] <@Phae> okay
  228. # [12:26] <@Phae> i'll await news on how that turns out :)
  229. # [12:27] <@tantek> the key is this: microformats still has the vast majority of momentum, and microformats has an active diverse broad community - something neither microdata, nor schema, nor even RDFa has.
  230. # [12:27] <@tantek> so it's up to us to be the graceful established players here, and be open to incorporating other work as brainstorms towards potential microformats
  231. # [12:27] <@tantek> obviously we're not going to be simply rubber-stamping everything
  232. # [12:28] <@Phae> agreed
  233. # [12:28] <@tantek> or anything
  234. # [12:28] <@tantek> but rather, taking and respecting others' works as input to the process to help developer better microformats
  235. # [12:29] <@tantek> the more we show we're open to input, the more it strengthens our community and grows it to include additional voices
  236. # [12:29] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/jazzvox] We'll talk about http://t.co/Yg0iJkce | http://t.co/iFrtVwLA and more @praktikumlab today 4:30pm #SMW AufbauHaus Xberg
  237. # [12:32] <@Phae> yeah. plus it's incentive to get some of our own work done.
  238. # [12:32] <@tantek> btw how's your JSON?
  239. # [12:32] <@Phae> it's alright. why?
  240. # [12:33] <@Phae> go to bed.
  241. # [12:34] <@Phae> i'll still be sat in the same desk chair when you get back up, afterall.
  242. # [12:34] <@tantek> wanted to get your opinion on the microformats 2 JSON output brainstorms
  243. # [12:34] <@tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats-2#simple_microformats_2_examples
  244. # [12:35] <@Phae> ah, okay. i'll add that to my list too.
  245. # [12:36] <@tantek> thanks - might come in particularly handy tomorrow
  246. # [12:36] <@tantek> we'll be discussing syntax and such
  247. # [12:37] <@Phae> okay
  248. # [12:37] <@Phae> i'll look over lunch
  249. # [12:37] <Loqi> [[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=to-do&diff=44662&oldid=44411&rcid=57855 * Phae * (+153) /* Frances Berriman */ notes for me
  250. # [12:37] <@tantek> and since microformats 2 addresses the lack of simple extensibility issue that the microdata/schema folks raised, I'll be looking for any holes.
  251. # [12:38] <@Phae> yeah
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  258. # [13:13] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/iciclemon] @hato711 HATOMという作られたキャラクターではなく天草黒陽としてデビューしたいんだっけ
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  284. # [15:55] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/richardbaxter] @bill_slawski the irony being rel="*" is a microformat, though the search engines are pushing schema! bit of a disconnect...
  285. # [15:55] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/richardbaxter] @bill_slawski almost everything Google has done with microformats since rel="nofollow" has upset the microformats community
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  288. # [16:07] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/praktikumlab] Do you *really* know your microformats? Up next: http://t.co/rCmc53Y0
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  290. # [16:23] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/kzakza] ちょうど今、やっている。 / “schema.org workshop · Microformats Wiki” http://t.co/891OPtC2
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  294. # [16:53] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/victorporof] Hey @google, if you find a hcard in a webpage, or <address>, why don't you show relevant information about this stuff in search?
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  309. # [18:03] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/TwitLluis] Insistint amb el tema de microformats, microdata i rich snippets http://t.co/yJlsBLMB. Esperant i desitjant resultats ...
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  318. # [18:23] <KevinMarks> hm, sitting next to tantek, hixie and danbri it's like irc in person
  319. # [18:24] <danbri> ahoyhoy
  320. # [18:25] * danbri wonders if microformat-using sites ought to be in http://ckan.net/ (directory of datasets)
  321. # [18:25] <@tantek> greetings
  322. # [18:28] <@tantek> schema.org workshop IRC discussion in #schema
  323. # [18:29] <@Phae> nerds.
  324. # [18:29] <danbri> re http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats-2 ... is there any code that'll take a page and extract that json?
  325. # [18:29] <danbri> Phae :)
  326. # [18:30] <KevinMarks> there is a high nerd denisty here today, yes
  327. # [18:31] <@Phae> :)
  328. # [18:31] <KevinMarks> density, not dentistry
  329. # [18:34] <@tantek> danbri - Shane B. has a Ruby library
  330. # [18:34] <@tantek> that parses microformats 2
  331. # [18:34] <@tantek> but given that it's quite a fluid draft right now, I'm not sure how up to date it is
  332. # [18:35] * danbri googles it, didn't find it yet
  333. # [18:35] <danbri> can you expand the "B."
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  335. # [18:42] <@tantek> microformats was described as "first, simple, rigid"
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  337. # [18:43] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/kevinmarks] tags for #microformats from NY guy 'first, simple ,rigid' o_O never been called rigid before, is that good? #schemaorg
  338. # [18:45] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/t] #schemaorg I complimented @hixie on #microdata itemref. let's reuse in microformats 2 #uf2 over include-pattern: http://t.co/42S4uEq4
  339. # [18:46] <danbri> rigid - like 'stable' maybe?
  340. # [18:46] <@Phae> no one says rigid like stable. you say strong, dependable...
  341. # [18:46] <KevinMarks> was his goal turgid over rigid?
  342. # [18:55] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/kevinmarks] OH: "I don't know where they get this recipe data from" - it's called hRecipe: http://t.co/LjFPEsRu #microformats #schemaorg
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  346. # [19:01] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/kevinmarks] if you want to know where the hRecipe markup came from, you can read the research: http://t.co/d37FzRZ1 http://t.co/uVAFoJ9L #schemaorg
  347. # [19:04] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/ronmartinez] "Recipes that are not for stuff meant to be eaten by humans are out of scope." hRecipe microformat http://t.co/xZzDaQ8v via @kevinmarks
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  349. # [19:05] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/paulmadsen] New microformat used to complain about how nobody is using microformats
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  357. # [19:31] <Loqi> [[breadcrumbs-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=breadcrumbs-formats&diff=44664&oldid=44601&rcid=57857 * Kevin Marks * (+212) /* add more formats */ schema.org
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  359. # [19:33] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/t] #schemaorg syntax session: @benadida acknowledges #RDFa rel=license was based on @microformats rel-license. #history (ttk.me/t4Dy8)
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  363. # [19:49] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/kevinmarks] #schemaorg @KaviGoel: this is a microformat example, but the principle is the same for schema.org
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  367. # [20:27] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/jazzvox] #Microdata #Microformats : the Markup Machine behind the Social Media GUI's lets it happen
  368. # [20:29] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/kevinmarks] #schemaorg @danbri: microformats 2 is in a similar direction to RDF and microdata: Attribute-Value pairs grouped into packets
  369. # [20:31] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/t] To everyone at #schemaorg, you saw @benadida's RDFa talk, now go read microformats 2 #uf2, please give feedback: http://t.co/OnDn4ROf
  370. # [20:35] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/toddbarnard] @ciberch Nay (should be using @microformats)
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  374. # [20:41] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/nicolastorzec] Schema.org meeting today. How does it relates to other vocabularies? Future of RDFa & Microformats for Search Engines? http://t.co/ozBxv5M4
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  377. # [21:05] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/t1c1] @ciberch Microdata? Nay. Use multiple formats - microdata @microformats(2) #RDFa #schemaorg
  378. # [21:05] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/benadida] @t @microformats I have always acknowledged the vision of microformats, even when I disagree with specifics.
  379. # [21:07] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/t1c1] microformats 2.0 · Microformats Wiki http://t.co/nXRfmmgw @alp_lv
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  383. # [21:19] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/richardtvaughan] @bill_slawski <abbr> are good for marking up microformats on pages where they are tricky to implement without hiding content.
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  395. # [21:49] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/meyerweb] Bonus points for an invitation service that generates invite pages with useful hCalendar (and optionally hCard, hGeo, et cetera).
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  399. # [21:59] * paroneayea is Christopher Allan Webber from CC
  400. # [22:00] <@Phae> man. i still wish i knew what a webmaster was. pretty sure it's regular devs doing markup.
  401. # [22:00] <@tantek> hi Christopher!
  402. # [22:00] <paroneayea> Phae: :)
  403. # [22:01] <@tantek> welcome!
  404. # [22:01] * paroneayea waves!
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  414. # [22:24] <KevinMarks> yay, we're xyz now
  415. # [22:24] <Loqi> woot
  416. # [22:24] <@tantek> heh
  417. # [22:25] <KevinMarks> blogger generates microformats (I put hAtom in myself)
  418. # [22:26] <@Phae> xyz?
  419. # [22:27] <KevinMarks> someone said "you could mark it up with microdata, RDf, or xyz"
  420. # [22:27] <@Phae> oh, lovely.
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  422. # [22:37] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/kevinmarks] #schemaorg @t: as http://t.co/KkjeFHa4 is CC0, anyone an use it the research there, even schema.org
  423. # [22:37] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/kevinmarks] #schemaorg @t: if you want a wiki to document schema ideas and extensions, http://t.co/KkjeFHa4 is available for this exact purpose
  424. # [22:39] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/computerklaus] Rich Snippets, Microformats e como deixar seu site bonito no Google http://t.co/F9hz0jNO via @seodesaia
  425. # [22:39] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/kevinmarks] #schemaorg Guha: microformats weren't organised into a single coherent whole; inside google we had a lot of people making things up.
  426. # [22:43] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/MadeByPi] Facebook Adds Microformats To “Download Your Info” Feature: http://t.co/VnSvhUuZ
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  428. # [22:51] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/t] possible positive take: treat each #schemaorg 'type' as a proposal for @microformats brainstorming and add to the wiki (ttk.me/t4DyA)
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  433. # [23:15] <KevinMarks> pmika keeps using the word "simple" I don't think it means what he thinks it means
  434. # [23:20] <@Phae> so, i've taken all of the commentary as entirely disheartening. meh.
  435. # [23:24] <hober> how enthusiastic are the people present at the schema workshop WRT joining the new html data tf?
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  438. # [23:27] <hober> tantek: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/microformats/20110921#l-435
  439. # [23:29] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/douglas_seo] SEO de saia explica como deixar seu site bonito nos resultados de busca do Google usando os microformatos http://t.co/wl9yfhJq
  440. # [23:30] <KevinMarks> I suspect they're likely to be the most enthusiastic
  441. # [23:30] <KevinMarks> if they'll come here for a day of this
  442. # [23:30] <hober> heh
  443. # [23:36] <@tantek> yeah
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  450. # [23:45] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/t] just volunteered the @microformats wiki for collecting research and brainstorms for #schemaorg and formats in general. (ttk.me/t4DyC)
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