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  69. # [11:36] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/ProfCaryCooper] Report suggesting workers in financial & insurance services have record levels of stress claims #HReview
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  78. # [16:24] <Loqi> [[hproduct-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hproduct-issues&diff=44940&oldid=44933&rcid=58183 * ChiefRA * (+245)
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  81. # [16:57] <Loqi> [[hproduct-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hproduct-issues&diff=44941&oldid=44940&rcid=58184 * ChiefRA * (+1051)
  82. # [16:58] <ChiefRA> hi tantek, please have a look at http://microformats.org/wiki/hproduct-issues on HP-9 and HP-10 problems. tobyink also provided his point of view on HP-9. Guys, please feel free to comment on them.
  83. # [16:59] <@tantek> ChiefRA - regarding identifier / MLS
  84. # [16:59] <@tantek> that looks more like a URI
  85. # [17:00] <@tantek> like either perhaps juse use a URI like MLS:07231613
  86. # [17:00] <@tantek> as a "uid" for the item
  87. # [17:00] <@tantek> let's not reinvent URIs :)
  88. # [17:00] <ChiefRA> mmm
  89. # [17:00] <ChiefRA> I don;t understand.
  90. # [17:01] <ChiefRA> what do you mean? what do you wish to put instead?
  91. # [17:01] <ChiefRA> MLS is the national database for real estate properties.
  92. # [17:01] <ChiefRA> it seemed to me appropriate, to add it as a type.
  93. # [17:02] <ChiefRA> but also, on a parralel use, Real Estate websites, can and DO have their internal numbering for properties.
  94. # [17:02] <ChiefRA> to get them faster from database.
  95. # [17:02] <Loqi> [[hrecipe]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hrecipe&diff=44942&oldid=44687&rcid=58185 * Tantek * (-6) fix a few heading levels
  96. # [17:03] <ChiefRA> so I would like to specify the MLS when occurs, to differentiate it from the other internal numberings that may occur.
  97. # [17:04] <ChiefRA> tantek? :)
  98. # [17:04] <@tantek> "identifier" doesn't make sense as a new property
  99. # [17:04] <@tantek> we already have identifiers in microformats - the "uid" property
  100. # [17:04] <@tantek> and we already have identifier syntax - URI
  101. # [17:05] <ChiefRA> can you please construct an example based on mine?
  102. # [17:05] <ChiefRA> a real one to understand how would you put that instead of identifier
  103. # [17:05] <@tantek> <span class="uid">MLS:07231613</span>
  104. # [17:05] <ChiefRA> mmm I see.
  105. # [17:06] <@tantek> URI is the general syntax of type:identifier
  106. # [17:06] <ChiefRA> yes, that I know.
  107. # [17:06] <ChiefRA> URI = URL + URN
  108. # [17:06] <@tantek> right, so MLS is just another URN scheme
  109. # [17:06] <@tantek> no need to make up a new type of property for it
  110. # [17:06] <ChiefRA> the thing is Google recognize the identifier
  111. # [17:07] <ChiefRA> but I doubt it recognise the uid...
  112. # [17:07] <ChiefRA> but I can check .
  113. # [17:07] <@tantek> for reference http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2396.txt
  114. # [17:07] <@tantek> ChiefRA - did you make any progress in documenting Google's implementation?
  115. # [17:07] <@tantek> I noticed we're missing some sections / pages for hProduct
  116. # [17:07] <@tantek> adding now...
  117. # [17:07] <ChiefRA> ok great.
  118. # [17:07] <ChiefRA> thanks.
  119. # [17:07] <ChiefRA> in the mean time, I'll do some tests with Google Tools.
  120. # [17:08] <@tantek> ah, the hProduct-examples page is a bit of a mess
  121. # [17:08] <@tantek> mixing unrelated research vs examples in the wild
  122. # [17:08] <ChiefRA> yep.
  123. # [17:08] <ChiefRA> it was a little pain in the ass
  124. # [17:08] <ChiefRA> to construct an hProduct
  125. # [17:08] <ChiefRA> from those examples.
  126. # [17:13] <@tantek> huh - looks like they all might be examples in the wild
  127. # [17:15] <Loqi> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Tantek * [[hproduct-examples]] moved to [[hproduct-examples-in-wild]]
  128. # [17:15] <ChiefRA> tantek, google doesn't recognise the "uid" sintax.
  129. # [17:15] <ChiefRA> have a look: http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/richsnippets?url=http%3A%2F%2Farthur.selfnet.org%2Ffd-microformats%2Fla-hproduct-concept3.htm&view=cse
  130. # [17:15] <ChiefRA> but the "identifier" one it does:
  131. # [17:15] <ChiefRA> http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/richsnippets?url=http%3A%2F%2Farthur.selfnet.org%2Ffd-microformats%2Fla-hproduct-concept.htm&view=cse
  132. # [17:16] <@tantek> ChiefRA - then that's an extension we should document in hproduct-brainstorming
  133. # [17:16] <ChiefRA> ok then. Can you please move the thread?
  134. # [17:16] <@tantek> and still provide a proper solution re-using existing microformats
  135. # [17:16] <@tantek> I'm still creating pages for better hProduct documentation
  136. # [17:16] <ChiefRA> My problem is that I need a faster solution
  137. # [17:16] <@tantek> didn't realize they were missing
  138. # [17:17] <ChiefRA> and the actual one, seems to be based on "identifier" for the moment.
  139. # [17:18] <@tantek> ChiefRA - I'm trying to help you document these correctly so you can both use it as you see fit and help improve the microformat
  140. # [17:18] <ChiefRA> ok :)
  141. # [17:18] <ChiefRA> I'm waiting then for you to finish.
  142. # [17:18] <ChiefRA> I'll be gone foe 2-3 hours, and I'll be back to read your comments, ok ?
  143. # [17:18] <ChiefRA> thank you for your help
  144. # [17:21] <ChiefRA> tantek, I do please you to think about one more particular aspect for Real Estate: Google "imposed" the use of a new parameter called "availability".. which for homes doesn't fit. However, if you don;t use it, Google won't show you rich snippes based on that particular hProduct.
  145. # [17:22] <ChiefRA> you can see it implemented also in the example I pasted you above.
  146. # [17:22] <ChiefRA> I had no other choice but to implement it with the parameter: in stock
  147. # [17:22] <Loqi> [[hproduct]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hproduct&diff=44945&oldid=42696&rcid=58187 * Tantek * (+605) add examples in wild, implementations sections
  148. # [17:23] <@tantek> ChiefRA - could you document Google's implementation here: http://microformats.org/wiki/hproduct#Implementations
  149. # [17:23] <@tantek> I just added that section
  150. # [17:23] <@tantek> such a section is supposed to be in every microformats draft/spec
  151. # [17:23] <@tantek> not sure how we missed it before
  152. # [17:24] <@tantek> by capturing documentation about the specifics of what Google supports, and how it extends hProduct, we can then better inform iterating on hProduct itself
  153. # [17:24] <@tantek> thanks!
  154. # [17:26] <ChiefRA> yes, I will do it on monday.
  155. # [17:26] <ChiefRA> I'll copy the link and place there what it suppors.
  156. # [17:26] <ChiefRA> supports*
  157. # [17:27] <@tantek> Thanks ChiefRA - appreciated
  158. # [17:28] <Loqi> [[product-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=product-brainstorming&diff=44946&oldid=43739&rcid=58188 * Tantek * (+5503) moved Coded examples from hProduct-examples to here
  159. # [17:28] <Loqi> [[product-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=product-examples&diff=44947&oldid=40239&rcid=58189 * Tantek * (+1176) moved analysis of existing product sites from hproduct-examples to here
  160. # [17:28] <ChiefRA> tantek you're welcome :)
  161. # [17:29] <ChiefRA> please when you finish re-arranging hProduct part, place the proper links here with a short description so for me to know which is which. thanks.
  162. # [17:30] <Loqi> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=44948&oldid=44939&rcid=58190 * Tantek * (+0) typo
  163. # [17:34] <Loqi> [[hproduct-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hproduct-examples-in-wild&diff=44949&oldid=44943&rcid=58191 * Tantek * (-6132) reorganize/update per hCard examples in wild, moved research on existing examples to product-examples, moved sample coded example to product-brainstorming
  164. # [17:35] <@tantek> ChiefRA - updates to hProduct in this section and following: http://microformats.org/wiki/hproduct#Examples
  165. # [17:35] <@tantek> and what they link to
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  167. # [17:58] <Loqi> [[hproduct-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hproduct-examples-in-wild&diff=44950&oldid=44949&rcid=58192 * Tantek * (+212) note separate section for older product examples which may or may not have hProduct (first one did, so leaving the rest there for evaluation), also, moving an implementation to implementations section
  168. # [18:00] <Loqi> [[hproduct]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hproduct&diff=44951&oldid=44945&rcid=58193 * Tantek * (+172) /* Implementations */ moved Karniyarik here from hproduct-examples-in-wild as it claims to be an experimental search engine - needs verification
  169. # [18:02] <Loqi> [[hproduct]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hproduct&diff=44952&oldid=44951&rcid=58194 * Tantek * (-52) fix copyright/patents links to be local
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  180. # [21:32] <Loqi> [[hcalendar-implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hcalendar-implementations&diff=44953&oldid=43745&rcid=58195 * Groker * (+143) /* Search and Discovery */
  181. # [21:38] <Loqi> [[microformats-2]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats-2&diff=44954&oldid=44882&rcid=58196 * Tantek * (+1514) /* v2 vocabularies */ add note about all v2 vocabularies being flat lists, and usable for microdata items or RDFa, without property parsing prefixes. also, new profile URLs, notes, to-do
  182. # [21:42] <Loqi> [[hcalendar-implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hcalendar-implementations&diff=44955&oldid=44953&rcid=58197 * Groker * (+143) /* New Implementations */ add new search engine (polish)
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