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  3. # [00:03] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/trampish] The hCard microformat gets me kinda hot and bothered. http://t.co/vrQNNdgb #semanticweb #geek
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  45. # [08:35] <Loqi> [[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=45012&oldid=44920&rcid=58259 * Luffy091 * (-7235)
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  48. # [08:49] <Loqi> [[microformats-2-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats-2-faq&diff=45013&oldid=44613&rcid=58260 * Tantek * (+1507) why are microformats 2 properties prefixed
  49. # [08:49] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/YashinNoMeisou] ちなみにHCARD飲みは行きませんすみません（二次会あるなら検討します）D飲みも一次会の途中か二次会から参加予定。D10-11飲みは…微妙ｗ ていうか大規模飲み会多すぎなんだよ！
  50. # [09:02] <Loqi> [[rel-me]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=rel-me&diff=45014&oldid=42387&rcid=58261 * Tantek * (+17) faq
  51. # [09:03] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/y_yukkie] それはある RT @YashinNoMeisou: ちなみにHCARD飲みは行きませんすみません（二次会あるなら検討します）D飲みも一次会の途中か二次会から参加予定。D10-11飲みは…微妙ｗ ていうか大規模飲み会多すぎなんだよ！
  52. # [09:05] <Loqi> [[rel-me-faq]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=rel-me-faq&rcid=58262 * Tantek * (+986) stub with a simple question that wasn't apparent from the main rel-me page apparently
  53. # [09:06] <Loqi> [[rel-me-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=rel-me-faq&diff=45016&oldid=45015&rcid=58263 * Tantek * (-77) /* what does rel me mean */ out of context edit
  54. # [09:23] <Loqi> [[microformats-2-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats-2-faq&diff=45017&oldid=45013&rcid=58264 * Tantek * (+211) /* why are microformats 2 properties prefixed */ fix plural, note example of e-entry-content for hAtom
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  57. # [09:51] <Loqi> [[microformats-2-prefixes]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats-2-prefixes&diff=45018&oldid=44775&rcid=58265 * Tantek * (+266) /* prefixes for future consideration */ incorporate duration into dt- parsing since HTML5 time element now supports duration.
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  64. # [12:43] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/fletchy] @ewanr Yes, hReview compliant and it can run server side or client side.
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  73. # [15:24] <@Phae> Has anyone done any side-by-side comparisons of microformat mark-up against the schema-org equivalents anywhere? I have some, but not sure if there's prior art to reference for accuracy.
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  75. # [15:37] <Loqi> [[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=45019&oldid=45012&rcid=58266 * Sigoya * (+7235) Undo revision 45012 by [[Special:Contributions/Luffy091|Luffy091]] ([[User talk:Luffy091|Talk]])
  76. # [15:38] <Loqi> [[User talk:Luffy091]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Luffy091&rcid=58267 * Sigoya * (+19) New page: Reverted vandalism.
  77. # [16:01] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/Sam_Robson] @WebCreationUK http://t.co/sumpcAQl
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  91. # [18:56] <Loqi> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=45021&oldid=45004&rcid=58268 * Adsim * (+409) /* new and uncategorized examples */
  92. # [18:57] <@tantek> Phae - I don't think anyone's published any
  93. # [18:57] <@tantek> I do know that the schemaorg markup tends to be much lengthier since it does involve a bunch of additional attributes
  94. # [18:57] <@tantek> (not unlike RDFa in that regard)
  95. # [18:58] <@tantek> the irony is that microformats-2 markup is actually *smaller* in common cases (than even current microformats markup)
  96. # [18:58] <@tantek> so anyone complaining about code bloat should be all over using microformats-2 in preference to alternatives
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  98. # [19:46] <Loqi> [[Special:Log/block]] block * Tantek * blocked [[User:Luffy091]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites: vandalism too
  99. # [20:04] <Loqi> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Tantek * deleted "[[User talk:Luffy091]]": content was emptied out spam
  100. # [20:08] <@Phae> it's okay
  101. # [20:08] <@Phae> it was for: http://fberriman.com/2011/12/01/schema-org-microformats-and-more-science-please/
  102. # [20:08] <@Phae> and yes, it is lengthy
  103. # [20:12] <@tantek> Phae, would dl/dt/dd be more appropriate for the Telephone: … Email: portion of the markup?
  104. # [20:12] <@Phae> oh, i guess so.
  105. # [20:13] <@tantek> also, lol at repeating the class=hcard vs vcard common err (which is why we're fixing this in microformats-2)
  106. # [20:13] <@Phae> i keep forgetting that dl is allowed to be something useful these days
  107. # [20:13] <@tantek> should we just formalize allowing "hcard" as the root class name? if we ourselves make this mistake...
  108. # [20:13] <@Phae> oh. sorry. uggggh.
  109. # [20:13] <@tantek> for hCard 1.1 that is
  110. # [20:13] <@Phae> i knew i'd typo stuff
  111. # [20:13] <@tantek> no not your fault - it's a *common* error
  112. # [20:13] <@Phae> i think maybe so
  113. # [20:13] <@Phae> yeah
  114. # [20:13] <@tantek> I think many permissive parsers allow it
  115. # [20:13] <@tantek> I just thought it was ironic
  116. # [20:13] * @Phae corrects.
  117. # [20:14] <@tantek> btw in terms of microdata FAQ
  118. # [20:15] <@tantek> itemscope is how microdata indicates "this is a root element/object"
  119. # [20:15] <@tantek> as opposed to a list of specific microformats root class names in microformats 1
  120. # [20:15] <@tantek> and as opposed to the simpler/shorter "h-" prefix in microformats-2
  121. # [20:16] <@Phae> yeah, i got that it was for showing root element
  122. # [20:16] <@Phae> but couldn't work out why you needed that, or why you wouldn't prefer something that explicitly says *what* it is.
  123. # [20:17] <@tantek> right - it's not obvious at all from an authoring perspective
  124. # [20:17] <@tantek> unless you're a programmer type person who associate such things with the magic word "scope"
  125. # [20:17] <@Phae> yeah
  126. # [20:18] <@Phae> oh, i get why it's easier from a pro grammatical sense. but they're second class citizens to me.
  127. # [20:18] <@tantek> sure
  128. # [20:18] <@Phae> oh, thanks spellcheck for that space there.
  129. # [20:19] <@tantek> turn that off - it's horrible for IRC
  130. # [20:19] <@tantek> did someone actually recommend a DRY violation as *easier* in your comments?
  131. # [20:19] <@Phae> yeah
  132. # [20:20] <@tantek> because @prefix and rdf and turtle are things web designers are either familiar with or would love to learn about right?
  133. # [20:20] <@Phae> heh
  134. # [20:22] <@tantek> how do people get so out of touch with web designers/authors?
  135. # [20:22] <@Phae> well, by not being one
  136. # [20:24] <@Phae> the cleaners are in the office already. this suggests i should go home now. be back in a while.
  137. # [20:27] <@tantek> ok ttyl
  138. # [21:15] <csarven> tantek Perhaps not all "web designers/authors" are equal. That's why there are hundred different Web-roles nowadays. I don't think it is fare to generalize every worker to be competent at every frontend-ish-stuff.
  139. # [21:19] <csarven> s/fare/fair
  140. # [21:19] <Loqi> csarven meant to say: tantek Perhaps not all "web designers/authors" are equal. That's why there are hundred different Web-roles nowadays. I don't think it is fair to generalize every worker to be competent at every frontend-ish-stuff.
  141. # [21:19] <csarven> Wow, that's cool!
  142. # [21:19] * csarven highfives Loqi
  143. # [21:29] <@Phae> huh, i didn't know Loqi did that
  144. # [21:30] <@Phae> interesting: http://fberriman.com/2011/12/01/schema-org-microformats-and-more-science-please/#comment-21921
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