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  1. # Session Start: Wed Dec 07 00:00:00 2011
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  17. # [05:48] <Loqi> [[events/2011-12-06-meetup]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=events/2011-12-06-meetup&diff=45060&oldid=45057&rcid=58312 * Tantek * (+99) /* Attendees */ added
  18. # [05:51] <Loqi> [[events/2011-12-06-meetup]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=events/2011-12-06-meetup&diff=45061&oldid=45060&rcid=58313 * Tantek * (+1) /* Attendees */ t
  19. # [05:51] <Loqi> [[Kevin Marks]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Kevin_Marks&rcid=58314 * Tantek * (+30) r
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  22. # [05:55] <Loqi> [[events/2011-12-06-meetup]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=events/2011-12-06-meetup&diff=45065&oldid=45061&rcid=58317 * Tantek * (+346) /* Notes */ noted discussions
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  25. # [08:36] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/wahyu_winoto] Mikroformat dan hCard: Microformat and hCard Salah satu element penting yang harus dikuasai… http://t.co/hKbbBRL9
  26. # [08:36] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/wahyu_winoto] Mikroformat dan hCard http://t.co/uPFPe2wx
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  40. # [11:40] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/utsavsabharwal] To check if a page has Bazaar Voice / HReview / Power Review Structure http://t.co/ThfTVJ1O
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  43. # [12:50] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/jamierumbelow] @laurakalbag @ralphsaunders @dan_gates I'd recommend using hCalendar with the time element...
  44. # [13:46] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/SlexAxton] I spoke too soon: Google parser has conflicts in Aggregate Ratings between RDFa and the hReview microformat. Seems like a bug, but whatevz.
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  47. # [15:27] <ChiefRA> tantek I've read your post about the meeting, is there anywhere a summary of the meeting? (as the topics you posted doesn't say much of the discussions themselves :P)
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  57. # [17:21] <@tantek> ChiefRA - usually notes are a bit sparse and off the top of people's head from whoever attends.
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  59. # [17:35] <Loqi> [[events/2011-12-06-meetup]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=events/2011-12-06-meetup&diff=45066&oldid=45065&rcid=58318 * Tantek * (+401) /* Notes */ noted Franco's experience with hReview / rich snippets
  60. # [17:35] <@tantek> ChiefRA - I added one more thing
  61. # [17:36] <@tantek> but in general yes the topics listed were discussed - many of which were explanatory / introductory discussions in nature - that tends to happen often
  62. # [17:36] <@tantek> we get a lot of new folks showing up to microformats meetups who are there to learn, about microformats, HTML5, semantic markup in general.
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  64. # [17:42] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/MarcTV] Google mag mein hreview microformat http://t.co/6htLPGpp
  65. # [17:50] <@tantek> good timing on that
  66. # [17:50] <@tantek> so here's an hReview: http://marctv.de/blog/2011/11/20/batman-arkham-city/
  67. # [17:50] <@tantek> and here's it showing up in search results with a rich snippet: http://www.flickr.com/photos/marctv/6472235497/
  68. # [17:50] <@tantek> found via this tweet: https://twitter.com/MarcTV/status/144454884798894080
  69. # [17:50] <Loqi> https://twitter.com/MarcTV :: Google mag mein hreview microformat http://t.co/6htLPGpp
  70. # [18:05] <@tantek> this experience is interesting to note: https://twitter.com/SlexAxton/status/144353069352751105
  71. # [18:05] <Loqi> https://twitter.com/SlexAxton :: After implementing Microformats, Microdata (schema.org), & RDFa on same data. RDFa is ugliest, Microdata is hardest. Microformats are nice.
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  73. # [18:12] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/miramdeals] The hCard -National Discount Card- Savings, Online Coupons, Golf ...: The hCard -National Discount Card- Savings, Online Coupons, Gol...
  74. # [18:12] <@Phae> yeah
  75. # [18:12] <@tantek> !spammer miramdeals
  76. # [18:12] <Loqi> Got it! There are now 23 spammers blacklisted
  77. # [18:12] <@Phae> he also followed up saying that he had a conflict with hreview and rdfa
  78. # [18:13] <@tantek> saw that - in the Google rich snippet tester apparently
  79. # [18:13] <@Phae> ah
  80. # [18:13] <@Phae> yes
  81. # [18:13] <@Phae> that's right
  82. # [18:13] <@tantek> I don't think it's a technology conflict - it's just a problem with the rich snippet tester
  83. # [18:13] <@Phae> seems likely
  84. # [18:22] <@tantek> Phae - have you tried marking things up with microformats-2 syntax and vocabs?
  85. # [18:22] <@tantek> I'm curious about your experience - since you've been trying multiple semantic markup techniques recently.
  86. # [18:22] <@tantek> your *comparative experience
  87. # [18:25] <@Phae> oh. no, not in anger. i shall do. i've got some stuff that i can try it out on.
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  89. # [18:26] <@tantek> I'm curious both about your experience marking up "simple" items (name of something, link, photo) and more complex composite items
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  91. # [18:27] <@Phae> yeah, that should be doable. we've got tons of addresses, both complex and simple.
  92. # [18:34] <@tantek> would like to know your experience in particular with real world simple markup examples and the microformats 2 implied generic properties: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats-2-implied-properties
  93. # [18:35] <@Phae> ok
  94. # [18:35] <@tantek> and if you run into additional simple patterns, see if they're discussed (or add to) http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats-2-implied-properties#additional_markup_patterns_to_consider
  95. # [18:35] <@Phae> right-o, will do :)
  96. # [18:35] <@tantek> I think that's one of the best opportunities to further simplify microformats use in a huge number of common cases
  97. # [18:36] <@tantek> even though current microformats markup is lighter-weight than both RDFa and microdata, I think we can make microformats *even lighter* (less "bloat" as some have noted)
  98. # [18:36] <@tantek> and clearly webdevs prefer lighter-weight
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  110. # [22:04] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/rdmond] It's great that @foursquare is pushing #hCard #microformat as part of implementing their "Add" button.
  111. # [22:08] <@tantek> @rdmond wow that is awesome - here's the documentation on it:
  112. # [22:08] <@tantek> https://foursquare.com/business/brands/offerings/savetofoursquare
  113. # [22:09] <@tantek> amd jere
  114. # [22:09] <@tantek> and here's the hCard tester: https://foursquare.com/business/brands/offerings/savetofoursquare/tester
  115. # [22:11] <Loqi> [[events/2011-12-06-meetup]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=events/2011-12-06-meetup&diff=45067&oldid=45066&rcid=58319 * Tantek * (-5) /* Details */ ws
  116. # [22:12] <@tantek> and once I removed the extra whitespace which was somehow messing up MediaWiki - our event page from last night has a proper hCard, and Foursquare's hCard tester sees it and matches it to their page for the venue! https://foursquare.com/v/the-summit/4c08a97aa1b32d7fbf6c96f0
  117. # [22:14] <@tantek> this is very cool, Foursquare essentially has an hCard-based web action button that you can use to allow users to collect places to visit.
  118. # [22:15] <@tantek> it's closest to a "read later" type action, but different
  119. # [22:16] <@tantek> perhaps the category of "read later" web actions need be broadened to "do later"… hmmm
  120. # [22:18] <@tantek> nm I already labeled the category "later" - tantek.com/2011/220/b1/web-actions-a-new-building-block#web-action-motivations
  121. # [22:22] <@tantek> plus it's great that their web action button markup is so simple - just a hyperlink with a class name!
  122. # [22:23] <@tantek> This might be the first web action which uses information from a microformat on the page (rather than hidden data-* params)
  123. # [22:23] <@tantek> (or other random markup)
  124. # [22:34] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/microformats] Markup venues with hCard! @foursquare parses hCard for their "Save to Foursquare" #webaction button: http://t.co/CiL3CwY8 ht @rdmond
  125. # [22:38] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/cvwebposse] 'Save to Foursquare’ Button with #hCard http://t.co/8slkB1o1
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