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  1. # Session Start: Mon Jan 30 00:00:00 2012
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  12. # [07:27] <Loqi> [[paid surveys, get paid to take surveys - How To Take Surveys For Cash]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=paid_surveys%2C_get_paid_to_take_surveys_-_How_To_Take_Surveys_For_Cash&rcid=58762 * Moneysurvey * (+4659) New page: The Internet has made things much easier and simpler. The first thing that a person needs to do is that he or she should have an Internet connection. Then
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  18. # [09:22] <ChiefRA> Guys, I'm back with my question: on hCard, I can't find a simple thing as job description of a person. How can I encapsulate the job description (presuming multiple job descriptions)? tantek, Phae aaronpk any clues on this? thanks.
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  20. # [09:32] <@tantek> hi ChiefRA, by job description, do you mean job title?
  21. # [09:32] <@tantek> or perhaps a more general role?
  22. # [09:32] <@tantek> could you provide a URL to an example of what you mean?
  23. # [09:36] <ChiefRA> hi tantek I was thinking of an ordinary hCard
  24. # [09:36] <ChiefRA> in a hCard where you underline a person, that person has a job title.
  25. # [09:37] <ChiefRA> that job title should be specified also within the hCrad.
  26. # [09:37] <ChiefRA> hCard*
  27. # [09:37] <ChiefRA> I mean, my name is John Doe, I work @ Microsoft as Senior Developer.
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  29. # [09:37] <ChiefRA> how whould you encompas Senior Developer into his hCrad?
  30. # [09:38] <ChiefRA> hCard*
  31. # [09:39] <ChiefRA> as on the http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard there is neither specification to this nor examples about it.
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  34. # [09:50] <ChiefRA> what I have found is the class "title" which is used on the hResume http://microformats.org/wiki/hresume @ Job titles. If "title" class could be used to describe a job title (or more job titles by duplicating "title" class as many times as needed to define all job titles) then we should include it + examples on http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard page too.
  35. # [09:51] <@tantek> ChiefRA, yes, hCard re-uses 'title' from vCard to mean job title.
  36. # [09:51] <@tantek> which has been an unfortunate source of confusion
  37. # [09:51] <@tantek> because 'title' is too generic of a term
  38. # [09:51] <@tantek> so, yes, you can currently use 'title' in your hCard to markup the job title
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  40. # [09:55] <@tantek> (and yes it is in the spec)
  41. # [09:55] <@tantek> but due to the confusion we've avoided putting it in examples
  42. # [09:55] <@tantek> except there is one example translated from vCard
  43. # [09:56] <@tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples-rfc2426#3.5.1_TITLE_Type_Definition
  44. # [10:01] <ChiefRA> oh,. I see now: the title class used in combination with the abbr is entirely different.
  45. # [10:02] <ChiefRA> perhaps we should then add a new class named "job-title" or something like this to evoid the confusion?
  46. # [10:05] <ChiefRA> or at least a paragraph saying this: Job Title: If you want to define a person's job title you could use the class="title". "title" class can be used in plural to define multiple job titles a person can have. For reference go to: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples-rfc2426#3.5.1_TITLE_Type_Definition
  47. # [10:12] <ChiefRA> tantek, role = title?
  48. # [10:13] <@tantek> ChiefRA the title *attribute* used in combination with abbr is different
  49. # [10:13] <@tantek> <abbr title="expansion">abbr</abbr>
  50. # [10:13] <@tantek> vs
  51. # [10:13] <@tantek> <span class="title">job title goes here</span>
  52. # [10:16] <@tantek> role is more generic than job title
  53. # [10:17] <@tantek> though in practice I haven't found a good way of distinguishing them
  54. # [10:17] <ChiefRA> I just found it.
  55. # [10:17] <ChiefRA> :)
  56. # [10:17] <ChiefRA> I can place it on the website but I'll show it to you now.
  57. # [10:17] <@tantek> however I have noticed that address book applications typically have a job title in the UI, but not "role"
  58. # [10:18] <ChiefRA> I have a real estate agent example: named John Ellis.
  59. # [10:18] <ChiefRA> he has his job title Real Estate Agent
  60. # [10:18] <ChiefRA> but his role within the company is this:
  61. # [10:18] <ChiefRA> is his specialization in fact:
  62. # [10:18] <ChiefRA> Specializing: Buyer's Agent, Foreclosures / Shortsales, Listing Specialist, Investment Property
  63. # [10:18] <ChiefRA> this could be a good difference example between job title and role ?
  64. # [10:20] <ChiefRA> as if it is, I could document this as a phrase on the wiki.
  65. # [10:21] <@tantek> no - role is usually *less specific* than job title
  66. # [10:21] <@tantek> so no that's not a good use for role
  67. # [10:21] <@tantek> those specializations sound more like skills like someone would put in a resume
  68. # [10:22] <ChiefRA> perhaps, but they are placed as specializing on the website, see this page: http://www.frontdoor.com/pro/jlellis
  69. # [10:23] <ChiefRA> How should I encompas those specializing skills within hCard: as job title, as a role or as skills? Though, I didn't see "skill" class as a hCrad option...
  70. # [10:24] <@tantek> I just noticed that Google's hCard rich snippet documentation also uses 'role' in a generic sense: http://support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=146646
  71. # [10:24] <@tantek> ChiefRA - what I meant by resume is that perhaps this is something we could use hResume for (which in many ways is a very enhanced hCard)
  72. # [10:24] <Loqi> [[Moving Company- How to get in contact with the most experienced one]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Moving_Company-_How_to_get_in_contact_with_the_most_experienced_one&rcid=58765 * MovingCompanies15 * (+4454) New page: [[Image:thyzdrh.jpg]] Well the '''company''' which has got more experience in the field can help you get your targets and can help attaining results. Shi
  73. # [10:25] <@tantek> ChiefRA - you could always add those skills as tags/categories on the hCard
  74. # [10:25] <Loqi> [[Moving Company- How to get in contact with the most experienced one]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Moving_Company-_How_to_get_in_contact_with_the_most_experienced_one&diff=45408&oldid=45407&rcid=58766 * MovingCompanies15 * (-66)
  75. # [10:25] <Loqi> [[Special:Log/block]] block * Tantek * blocked [[User:MovingCompanies15]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites
  76. # [10:25] <Loqi> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Tantek * deleted "[[Moving Company- How to get in contact with the most experienced one]]": content was spam
  77. # [10:26] <@tantek> annoying spammers
  78. # [10:26] <ChiefRA> tantek so you say I could use a generic hCard to encapsulate summary details about this Agent on the website, and on his profile page here http://www.frontdoor.com/pro/jlellis I could use hResume ?
  79. # [10:26] <@tantek> right
  80. # [10:26] <@tantek> and remember you can also put everything extra in a "note" on the hCard as well
  81. # [10:26] <ChiefRA> and the specialising should use the "skill" class then.
  82. # [10:27] <@tantek> note: http://microformats.org/wiki/hresume#Skills
  83. # [10:27] <ChiefRA> I read that just 20 mins before.
  84. # [10:27] <@tantek> :)
  85. # [10:27] <ChiefRA> as I';ve seen your weekend coomments here and corrections for hResume
  86. # [10:27] <ChiefRA> :P
  87. # [10:27] <ChiefRA> so I've parsed it one more time.
  88. # [10:28] <ChiefRA> I know I could use the more generic "note" but I wanted to make it as correct as possible.
  89. # [10:28] <ChiefRA> andn start using the microformat properties as they were intended to.
  90. # [10:29] <@tantek> yes that should work
  91. # [10:30] <ChiefRA> I will try now to see if Google's Rich Snippet tool recognize the hResume and how...
  92. # [10:30] <ChiefRA> I'll post here the results also
  93. # [10:31] <ChiefRA> tantek, here on this example http://www.frontdoor.com/pro/jlellis the guy has a serving area designated.
  94. # [10:31] <ChiefRA> how should I encompas that within the hResume ?
  95. # [10:31] <ChiefRA> under which class.
  96. # [10:33] <@tantek> ChiefRA - didn't we discuss serving/coverage area before? You were gathering publishing examples as research last time we talked about it.
  97. # [10:34] <@tantek> So I think it is still something to be brainstormed for hCard
  98. # [10:34] <@tantek> ok - off get ready for the day (in Z+0100 currently)
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  102. # [10:37] <ChiefRA> ok tantek thanks :) sleep tight.
  103. # [10:37] <@tantek> (it's morning for me in Z+0100 :) )
  104. # [10:37] <Loqi> morning. looks cloudy
  105. # [10:37] <ChiefRA> oh right. then.... have a nice day :)
  106. # [10:37] <ChiefRA> here are minus 20 degreez and 50 cm of snow.
  107. # [10:37] <ChiefRA> it's quite cold. :))
  108. # [10:37] <ChiefRA> degrees*
  109. # [10:37] <ChiefRA> Celsius.
  110. # [10:39] <Loqi> [[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hcalendar&diff=45409&oldid=45129&rcid=58769 * PrakashRaj * (+805)
  111. # [10:40] <Loqi> [[hcalendar]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hcalendar&diff=45410&oldid=45409&rcid=58770 * Tantek * (-805) Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/PrakashRaj|PrakashRaj]] ([[User talk:PrakashRaj|Talk]]) to last version by [[User:Tantek|Tantek]]
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  142. # [17:47] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/jobs4FW] HANDYMAN / WAREHOUSE / DRIVER (HATOM CITY, TX) http://t.co/ykRGyM4C #DFW #FortWorth
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  144. # [18:39] <Arkkis> Hi! I have multiple hcards on one page (our company "Contact us" -page). Is there a way to have a spesific hcard converted to vcard file instead of just the first one?
  145. # [18:40] <Arkkis> I'd love to have "click the persons name to save it in your contacts" as an option and the link done with javascript.
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  147. # [18:41] <Arkkis> but all the hcard > vcard converters seem to think that there can be only one hcard per page :(
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  152. # [19:11] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/ITSergioFelix] Author hReview Plugin review http://t.co/SLvzcLlh via @BrankicaU
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  154. # [19:24] <csarven> Arkkis It has been a long time since I played with some of the mf tools, however, you should be able to export all of them. Try giving a fragment identifier per hCard. Use like http://h2vx.com/vcf/csarven.ca/%23i
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