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  6. # [00:53] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/axemedia] @axemedia oh, and not to mention that it's coded in HTML 5, includes http://t.co/UcpWWXLj rich snippet data + hreview microformats
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  40. # [04:54] <Takyoji> Yay, you folks still exist, thought everyone had disappeared or something, since the latest activity was last in 2009
  41. # [04:54] <Loqi> :D
  42. # [04:55] <Takyoji> or has Microdata (W3C specification) or RDFa kind of superseded the effort?
  43. # [04:55] <@tantek> hey Takyoji - on the contrary - activity continues on a daily basis!
  44. # [04:55] <Takyoji> Oh yay
  45. # [04:55] <Loqi> :D
  46. # [04:55] <@tantek> Takyoji see: http://microformats.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
  47. # [04:55] <@tantek> most of the work in microformats happens on the wiki
  48. # [04:56] <Takyoji> Anyone here been active in the hCard standard?
  49. # [04:56] <@tantek> hCard is quite stable
  50. # [04:56] <Takyoji> because I have a use case that conflicts with the specification
  51. # [04:56] <@tantek> it's got some minor tweaks coming in microformats 2.0 - http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats-2
  52. # [04:56] <@tantek> and there's been a bunch of brainstorming to add features / use-cases as well: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-brainstorming
  53. # [04:57] <@tantek> including how to use hCard + WebID - the W3C's Web Identity effort
  54. # [04:57] <@tantek> Takyoji - what's the use case you've found?
  55. # [04:57] <Takyoji> Because what I need is: I have a 'contact us' page for my little company, however the hCard specification requires a first name and last name, whereas the contact information would really be of a company and not a specific person
  56. # [04:58] <@tantek> hCard doesn't require first/last name
  57. # [04:58] <@tantek> just an fn (formatted name)
  58. # [04:58] <Takyoji> Also, it feels a bit unclear about adding instant messaging screennames
  59. # [04:58] <Takyoji> ahh, formatted name, alright
  60. # [04:59] <@tantek> for companies, follow the instructions here: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-authoring#Organization_hCards
  61. # [05:00] <Takyoji> So as of instant messaging, it only specifies links, correct?
  62. # [05:00] <@tantek> for instant messaging screen names see this: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples#AOL_Instant_Messenger_.28AIM.29
  63. # [05:00] <@tantek> hCard is likely to be updated to use the "impp" property
  64. # [05:00] <Takyoji> ahh alright, so the href property is only relevant, I thought the element content was also important
  65. # [05:01] <@tantek> the nice thing about using those links for the instant messaging properties is that they are also clickable for use by the user
  66. # [05:01] <Takyoji> Yes
  67. # [05:03] <Takyoji> The only thing I find a bit awkward with it is that it's specified as just another link for a profile, rather than explicitly stating it's an instant messaging contact.
  68. # [05:04] <Takyoji> Especially if you're scanning links on a profile and you get something that's not HTTP/HTTPS for the URI scheme
  69. # [05:06] <Takyoji> as of IMPP, do you have acknowledgement of "Instant Messaging and Presence Protocol (IMPP) was a protocol for instant messaging proposed by the IETF via RFC 2778 and RFC 2779. There has been no progress since it has been obsoleted by XMPP." or is there recent information that conflicts with the statement?
  70. # [05:09] <Takyoji> Lastly (although I haven't looked completely through the specification), is there any component of hCard for public keys at all?
  71. # [05:09] <Takyoji> or even, a link to a public key
  72. # [05:09] <Takyoji> for PGP
  73. # [05:10] <@tantek> yes - the KEY property
  74. # [05:10] <@tantek> see also: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-brainstorming#key_property_for_webid
  75. # [05:11] <@tantek> IMPP as a protocol and "impp" as a property for vCard/hCard are two different things.
  76. # [05:11] <@tantek> hope that helps!
  77. # [05:11] <Takyoji> that part I noticed, I'm curious of WebID, as I don't think I've encountered it yet, I have heard of BrowserID, but I assume they are completely different
  78. # [05:11] <@tantek> they are quite different yes
  79. # [05:11] <Takyoji> and I shall return within about an hour for any further thoughts.
  80. # [05:11] <@tantek> I think it is good we are exploring different ideas for what might work for distributed identity.
  81. # [05:11] <@tantek> I may be off to bed but hopefully back tomorrow!
  82. # [05:12] <@tantek> good chatting with you and I hope you find those pages useful
  83. # [05:12] <@tantek> also
  84. # [05:14] <@tantek> re: microformats vs RDFa / microdata: see https://twitter.com/#!/emilylewis/status/161812916235026432
  85. # [05:14] <Loqi> https://twitter.com/emilylewis :: *Preliminary* data from Web Data Commons project shows #microformats comprise 96% of the structured data on the web http://t.co/07ttGJys
  86. # [05:15] <@tantek> so if anything, microformats have achieved even more penetration than alternatives since previous comparisons that showed about ~90% or so.
  87. # [05:16] <@tantek> here's some more on microformats usage: http://microformats.org/2010/07/08/microformats-org-at-5-hcards-rich-snippets
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  89. # [06:04] <Takyoji> Woo, yay for strong stats
  90. # [06:05] <Takyoji> but ultimately, all of them can be used together on a single page, last I recall
  91. # [06:05] <Takyoji> I just really hate the name for the element properties in the Microdata format
  92. # [06:05] <Takyoji> itemprop, itemscope (and especially this attribute having a null value), etc
  93. # [06:16] <Takyoji> Also, has there been initiatives within this circle of going out and providing some tweaks for existing FOSS to present data in a Microformat structure?
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  116. # [11:31] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/laststati0n] hfeed hentry Warning: Missing required field "updated". Warning: Missing required hCard "author". http://t.co/2gFN1bt5
  117. # [11:31] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/learntricks] hfeed hentry Warning: Missing required field "updated". Warning: Missing required hCard "author". http://t.co/8PQL2gDw
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  178. # [13:33] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/Migueltatist] @MartinezPozo julio 1 de los que están detrás de lo del siglo 21 es Miguel caerá hatom. El lo anun en Facebook antes
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  185. # [14:55] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/MartijnSch] Are hreview snippets overruled by using the hcalendar items? Seen this before in Adwords such order, but also in SEO? /cc @yoast
  186. # [15:03] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/Rzkrhmdn] Istap, nap tegojna hatom agis ngulateb akngan~"@yukeandptr: meren nahitupek RT @Rzkrhmdn Lalalalala leta~"@yukeandptr: kenap
  187. # [15:03] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/MartijnSch] @yoast Great :(! On some pages we provided both but only the hcalendar is shown in the snippets.
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  215. # [18:05] <jakemac53> hey, I was wondering if anybody knows if it is valid to attach reviews to a person (not a product)?
  216. # [18:06] <jakemac53> I noticed on this page http://schema.org/Product it lists reviews as a property, but on this page http://schema.org/Person it doesn't
  217. # [18:06] <jakemac53> but the reviews I am trying to list are related to individual doctors within a single practice
  218. # [18:07] <jakemac53> (so I can't really use the organization http://schema.org/Organization either since they aren't reviews for the organization as a whole
  219. # [18:10] <jakemac53> I guess I could just mark up the person as a generic thing? But I would rather mark it up as a person specifically if possible.
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  300. # [20:41] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/mblumenthal] @crespoce notice on this search reviews have attached to the Places page: http://t.co/XKpAz7io due to hcard
  301. # [20:51] <Loqi> [[RayshellLoomis396]] NM http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=RayshellLoomis396&rcid=58915 * RayshellLoomis396 * (+245) New page: Thanks for the support - I have also dealt with other INdian vendors who were EXcellent and I constantly refer them to others...I believe when he failed to execute the project and was call...
  302. # [20:52] <Loqi> [[User:RayshellLoomis396]] NM http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:RayshellLoomis396&rcid=58916 * RayshellLoomis396 * (+245) New page: Thanks for the support - I have also dealt with other INdian vendors who were EXcellent and I constantly refer them to others...I believe when he failed to execute the project and was call...
  303. # [21:15] <Loqi> [[rel-sidebar]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=rel-sidebar&diff=45520&oldid=44402&rcid=58917 * Hixie * (+68) /* Link type "sidebar" */
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  306. # [21:42] <Loqi> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Tantek * deleted "[[User:RayshellLoomis396]]": Vandalism: content was spam
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  317. # [23:25] <Loqi> [[existing-rel-values]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=existing-rel-values&diff=45521&oldid=45509&rcid=58921 * Garretwilson * (+346) Added rel-rendition.
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