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  4. # [00:30] <Loqi> [[hcalendar-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hcalendar-fr&diff=46014&oldid=41555&rcid=59682 * ChristopheDucamp * (-751) [fr: sync'd with original page - to be peer reviewed + "hcalendar-articles-fr" to be created]
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  10. # [00:45] <Loqi> [[hcalendar-articles-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hcalendar-articles-fr&rcid=59683 * ChristopheDucamp * (+2987) [fr: translation of original page]
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  25. # [02:05] <Loqi> [[how-to-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=how-to-brainstorming&diff=46020&oldid=46003&rcid=59688 * Juraj * (-1) /* how-to proposal */
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  31. # [02:47] <Loqi> [[date-pattern-fr]] NM http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=date-pattern-fr&rcid=59691 * ChristopheDucamp * (+36) #redirect:[[date-design-pattern-fr]]
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  38. # [03:42] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/ChristianJait] Asa hatom marmeam dimedan yah? RT @Noluga: Bear cpt tamat'a RT @ChristianJait: Sudah seminggu tiap pagi ngerjain skripsi.."
  39. # [03:44] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/Noluga] Mw balek Ƙє̲̣̥ Mdn emank'a? RT @ChristianJait: Asa hatom marmeam dimedan yah? RT @Noluga: Bear cpt tamat'a
  40. # [03:56] <Loqi> [[exploratory-discussions]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=exploratory-discussions&diff=46026&oldid=45900&rcid=59694 * Juraj * (+74) /* education related */
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  53. # [08:42] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/StepUpWeb] hCard Как использовать для сайта? Советы http://t.co/b3EUzgC2
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  79. # [15:56] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/jarede] @steviephil how effective is hcard and hcalendar formatting embedded in your HTML for seo
  80. # [16:00] <Juraj_Sivak> howdy, what's wrong with page microformats.org?
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  83. # [16:06] <neuro`> Seems it's down again, I send tantek an alert
  84. # [17:11] <@tantek> server is responding for me - just a bit busy
  85. # [17:13] <@tantek> ok I restarted it to clear out requests - try now neuro` and Juraj_Sivak (welcome btw!)
  86. # [17:14] <Loqi> [[Special:Log/block]] block * Tantek * blocked [[User:Arabicsearch]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites
  87. # [17:14] <Loqi> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Tantek * deleted "[[User:Arabicsearch]]": content was spam
  88. # [17:14] <neuro`> OK
  89. # [17:15] <neuro`> tantek: do you need a mirror somewhere? I can provide that
  90. # [17:16] <Loqi> [[existing-rel-values]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=existing-rel-values&diff=46029&oldid=46009&rcid=59699 * Tantek * (-53) rel is space separated, we already have "category" and "tag" separately. Undo revision 46009 by [[Special:Contributions/StefanStern|StefanStern]] ([[User talk:StefanStern|Talk]])
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  92. # [17:16] <@tantek> neuro` - sure a mirror would be great
  93. # [17:19] <neuro`> tantek: what are you using? a Wordpress and some wiki?
  94. # [17:19] <@tantek> yes
  95. # [17:19] <@tantek> and mailman for the mailing lists
  96. # [17:19] <@tantek> MediaWiki
  97. # [17:19] <neuro`> I see.
  98. # [17:20] <neuro`> I'll have a look at the best way to mirror them
  99. # [17:20] <neuro`> I come back to you within 1-2 days. I'm a bit busy this week.
  100. # [17:20] <neuro`> s/to/at/
  101. # [17:20] <Loqi> neuro` meant to say: I come back at you within 1-2 days. I'm a bit busy this week.
  102. # [17:20] <neuro`> Loqi: thank you.
  103. # [17:20] * Loqi :)
  104. # [17:34] <@tantek> sounds good neuro` - let me know if you have any more questions.
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  107. # [17:38] <neuro`> tantek: I have. Can you setup some DNS round robin based either on Geo IP or on Microformats.org availability or on current load?
  108. # [17:39] <@tantek> neuro` - possibly - maybe we can start with a hostname like mirror.microformats.org so we can try it out?
  109. # [17:39] <neuro`> I was about to suggest that one
  110. # [17:39] <neuro`> or eu.microformats.org and a redirect when people com from Europe
  111. # [17:39] <neuro`> I think a read only mirror will be the best option.
  112. # [17:39] <@tantek> I'm not sure round robin will work for now because editing the wiki should always edit one db.
  113. # [17:39] <@tantek> let's start with that
  114. # [17:39] <neuro`> Yep
  115. # [17:39] <@tantek> that will solve most cases IMHO
  116. # [17:40] <neuro`> Probably.
  117. # [17:44] <neuro`> Got it. A daily static mirror using wget will do it.
  118. # [17:44] <neuro`> And will prevent me from installing PHP on my servers
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  120. # [17:50] <@tantek> neuro` - and you could use the recent changes page to see what to update
  121. # [17:50] <neuro`> And some sed here and there
  122. # [17:50] <neuro`> tantek: great idea
  123. # [17:50] <neuro`> Hmm, my daily work will have to wait, starting to script that
  124. # [17:51] <@tantek> I wonder if you could hold off on updates from first time wiki users as a way of avoiding mirroring spam
  125. # [17:51] <@tantek> (might have too many false positives though)
  126. # [17:51] <neuro`> I'll see
  127. # [17:52] <neuro`> This server is a 8 core, 64GB ram on a 1gb line, should handle the trafic
  128. # [17:55] <neuro`> If you see lots of trafic from 88.190.13.197, it's me
  129. # [17:56] <Loqi> [[job-listing]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=job-listing&diff=46030&oldid=37037&rcid=59700 * Tantek * (+356) draft overview page
  130. # [18:01] <Loqi> [[job-listing-formats]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=job-listing-formats&rcid=59701 * Tantek * (+421) draft
  131. # [18:01] <Loqi> [[job-listing-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=job-listing-examples&diff=46032&oldid=45685&rcid=59702 * Tantek * (+312) add process prefix and see also
  132. # [18:01] <Loqi> [[job-listing-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=job-listing-brainstorming&diff=46033&oldid=45777&rcid=59703 * Tantek * (+358) header, footer
  133. # [18:14] <Loqi> [[admin-to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=admin-to-do&diff=46034&oldid=43786&rcid=59704 * Tantek * (+88) /* inbox */ 88.190.13.197 mirror server
  134. # [18:14] <@tantek> neuro - thanks for the IP address heads-up
  135. # [18:15] <@tantek> also - consider filling out your User: page: http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Neuro
  136. # [18:16] <neuro`> tantek: I though I had already filled it in
  137. # [18:16] <@tantek> you added yourself to the IRC page but with a red-link to your User page ;)
  138. # [18:16] <neuro`> Will do it very soon
  139. # [18:17] <neuro`> Mirror will be on 88.190.224.126 btw.
  140. # [18:17] <neuro`> I did the wget from another machine
  141. # [18:25] <Loqi> [[Main Page-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page-fr&diff=46035&oldid=43620&rcid=59705 * ChristopheDucamp * (-281) [fr: sync'd with original page]
  142. # [18:26] <Loqi> [[admin-to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=admin-to-do&diff=46036&oldid=46034&rcid=59706 * Tantek * (+22) note mirror requests vs. server 88.190.224.126
  143. # [18:26] <@tantek> thanks neuro
  144. # [18:26] <Loqi> [[microformats 2-fr]] NM http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats_2-fr&rcid=59707 * ChristopheDucamp * (+31) #redirect:[[microformats-2-fr]]
  145. # [18:30] <Loqi> [[User:Neuro]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:Neuro&rcid=59708 * Neuro * (+429) Creation.
  146. # [18:30] <neuro`> tantek: you're welcome.
  147. # [18:37] <@tantek> btw - say hi to Christophe if you see him, I don't usually see him in IRC, and great to see the updates to the French pages on microformats!
  148. # [18:45] <neuro`> I will indeed.
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  150. # [18:49] <Loqi> [[microformats-2-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats-2-fr&rcid=59709 * ChristopheDucamp * (+37122) [fr: translation of original page - to be studied and continued.]
  151. # [18:53] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/kevinmullaney] @kevinmullaney @garybuchan @JonBuchan Combine that with an hreview generator http://t.co/d5vULzb8 & hcard creator http://t.co/uLoHoMKg BOOM!
  152. # [19:05] <Loqi> [[admin-how-to]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=admin-how-to&diff=46040&oldid=45598&rcid=59710 * Tantek * (+527) server transition steps
  153. # [19:06] <Loqi> [[admin-to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=admin-to-do&diff=46041&oldid=46036&rcid=59711 * Tantek * (+46) related
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  155. # [19:20] <sandbags> hey, sorry to bother you guys but do any of you know anywhere that people actively discuss the RSS & Atom syndication formats?
  156. # [19:23] <singpolyma> sandbags: Atom will be discussed on appropriate IETF mailing lists, IIRC
  157. # [19:24] <singpolyma> RSS... the RDF ones are probably W3C and thus not open to the public
  158. # [19:24] <singpolyma> RSS2 is "frozen", so there's no real discussion group AFAIK
  159. # [19:25] <sandbags> i'm really more looking for somewhere that developers using these formats might hang out
  160. # [19:25] <singpolyma> oh
  161. # [19:25] <singpolyma> StackOverflow
  162. # [19:25] <sandbags> hrnnn
  163. # [19:25] <sandbags> i hear you
  164. # [19:25] <sandbags> but not really what i have in mind
  165. # [19:25] <singpolyma> no
  166. # [19:25] <singpolyma> ?
  167. # [19:25] <sandbags> perhaps the answer to my question is no
  168. # [19:26] <singpolyma> possibly. I'm not sure what you want
  169. # [19:26] <sandbags> well a concrete example: I'm looking to implement replies and considering whether to use <atom:link rel="related"> as the mechanism but consider it to be a stretch, yet do i want to define a custom namespace for this? Or perhaps there's already a recognised namespace someone is using. Discuss.
  170. # [19:27] <sandbags> i can very well post this as a question on SO and hope someone relevant may wander across it
  171. # [19:27] <sandbags> but, for example, i'd expect better luck with a mailing list that developers of RSS/Atom based apps hung out on
  172. # [19:27] <sandbags> IRC channel, forum, etc...
  173. # [19:28] <singpolyma> there is an atom namespace for replies
  174. # [19:28] <sandbags> ah, so the answer to my question was: here :)
  175. # [19:29] <sandbags> is there a good reference to defined extensions?
  176. # [19:29] <singpolyma> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4685.txt
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  178. # [19:29] <sandbags> perfect
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  180. # [19:30] <singpolyma> There isn't really a registry of "atom-related" namespaces, AFAIK
  181. # [19:30] <singpolyma> any interested XML namespace can be mixed in to either ATOM or RSS, ofc :)
  182. # [19:30] <sandbags> yeah, i wasn't really coming up with anything terribly useful searching
  183. # [19:30] <sandbags> right
  184. # [19:30] <sandbags> that's why the lock-down of the RSS2.0 format isn't really a major concern
  185. # [19:30] <singpolyma> right
  186. # [19:30] <sandbags> i'm already using <atom:category> in our RSS2 feeds
  187. # [19:30] <sandbags> although the feed validator gets the hump about it
  188. # [19:30] <singpolyma> yeah, I use all sorts of namespaces in both sorts of feeds
  189. # [19:31] <sandbags> what do you develop btw?
  190. # [19:31] <singpolyma> sandbags: what do you mean?
  191. # [19:31] <sandbags> was wondering if you're developing a product and, if so, what it was you developed
  192. # [19:32] <sandbags> but i found your website so i think i answered my own q
  193. # [19:32] <singpolyma> ah, ok :)
  194. # [19:32] <singpolyma> I suppose in this community I'm a "DiSo" guy. Or was. We don't really talk about DiSo anymore since the main guys went to Google
  195. # [19:33] <sandbags> diso i'm not familiar with
  196. # [19:34] <singpolyma> It's mostly a bunch of distributed-social-networking-esque WordPress plugins
  197. # [19:34] <singpolyma> and some non-wordpress stuff
  198. # [19:34] <sandbags> interesting
  199. # [19:34] <sandbags> just looking at some of it now
  200. # [19:34] <singpolyma> the profile and actionstream on my homepage are powered by three of the plugins
  201. # [19:34] <singpolyma> which I maintain
  202. # [19:35] <sandbags> i used to be part of an "own your silo" company back around '05/'06 ... but we were much too early
  203. # [19:35] <sandbags> mainly trying to target CRM vendors
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  205. # [19:35] <singpolyma> right
  206. # [19:35] <sandbags> it all made perfect sense (particularly in the UK) but nobody was willing to spend the money
  207. # [19:36] <sandbags> and the board were not willing to endorse my black-ops strategy for drumming up business
  208. # [19:36] <singpolyma> A board? There's your problem ;)
  209. # [19:37] <sandbags> well i guess i can't entirely argue with their being ethical
  210. # [19:37] <singpolyma> hehe
  211. # [19:37] <sandbags> probably if they had said "yes" we might have had bigger problems :)
  212. # [19:38] <singpolyma> I think it's kind of funny that two of the guys who used to be big in DiSo are now in Google+, which is like the opposite of distributed or indie
  213. # [19:38] <sandbags> ya
  214. # [19:38] <sandbags> reading the recent arguments Google are putting forth about how profiles are socially relevant etc... they all make perfect sense
  215. # [19:38] <sandbags> except for the part where Google own the profile
  216. # [19:39] <singpolyma> well, I have no problem with Google owning the profiles of people who want to have Google own their profiles
  217. # [19:39] <sandbags> sure
  218. # [19:39] <sandbags> but that's not how these things play right now :)
  219. # [19:39] <singpolyma> but it should not be required to participate
  220. # [19:39] <sandbags> there will be a flip at some point
  221. # [19:40] <singpolyma> Really, microblogging is still my main social media thing, which is why my actionstream is such a big part of my "own your data" strategy
  222. # [19:40] <sandbags> when things get hot and permission based marketing actually looks like making more money for them
  223. # [19:40] <sandbags> yeah my current company is all about own your content
  224. # [19:40] <sandbags> decide your rules of engagement
  225. # [19:40] <sandbags> not a million miles from DiSO :)
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  231. # [20:07] <@tantek> sandbags, you might want to take a look at both hAtom and the efforts to figure out a comments microformat as well (as an extended re-use of hAtom)
  232. # [20:07] <@tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom
  233. # [20:09] <@tantek> what's the site you're building?
  234. # [20:13] <sandbags> tantek: thanks will take a look but, no site
  235. # [20:13] * Juraj_Sivak is now known as jurajsivak
  236. # [20:29] <neuro`> tantek: mirroring still on its way, it seems the site is a little bigger than expected.
  237. # [20:29] <neuro`> Or maybe the latency doesn't help
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  240. # [21:10] <@tantek> neuro' the site is pretty big - especially when you include the email archives
  241. # [21:11] <@tantek> in addition, I wonder if we should figure out a way to locally host IRC logs
  242. # [21:11] <@tantek> since we're now using off-site logs
  243. # [21:11] <@tantek> of course I'm sure that would start with a discussion of what format to use for the logs ;)
  244. # [21:11] <@tantek> (I think there was some effort at chat-logs)
  245. # [21:27] <singpolyma> I think IRC logs are pretty unambiguous in plain text. Though you could use <time> and hcard if you like
  246. # [21:36] <mkowens> tantek: I feel like you would be interested in this article from Dropbox on password strength after your recent experience http://tech.dropbox.com/?p=165
  247. # [21:36] <jurajsivak> maybe it can contains topic, if it is sets
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  258. # [23:09] <neuro`> tantek: it's now mirroring the whole mailing list archive. I think it will be up tomorrow. I've setup a mirror.microformats.org, I'll let you know when everything is done.
  259. # [23:10] <neuro`> tantek: I'll see how I can correlate irc logs with hcard and our IRC people page
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