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  4. # [00:41] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/GeekFreeMKTG] hCard Creator | Microformat Generator http://t.co/5lHpUL3e via @p2warticles
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  13. # [03:44] <aaronpk> tantek: microformats.org seems to be down
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  32. # [08:39] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/StepUpWeb] hCard Как использовать для сайта? Советы http://t.co/b3EUzgC2
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  35. # [09:41] <ChiefRA> Phae, aaronpk can you kick the website?
  36. # [09:41] <ChiefRA> as it's down.
  37. # [09:47] <neuro`_> Hello
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  40. # [10:25] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/doriantaylor] @dret hmm, that doesn't look too hard. To hCard I assume? Couple hours tops. But you're right, I'm surprised there isn't something out there
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  44. # [11:00] <@Phae> done
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  46. # [11:09] <ChiefRA> ok thx.
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  52. # [11:55] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/dret] turns out if xCard2hCard is done, X2V http://t.co/Kbt15Pkn can be used to generate a #vCard from the #hCard encoding of the #xCard ;-)
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  74. # [15:37] <rossputin> Hi guys
  75. # [15:37] <rossputin> seeking feedback on and help with : http://microformats.org/wiki/sitemap
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  78. # [15:46] <rossputin> wow, quiet in here :-)
  79. # [15:50] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/arsalan_dubai] @alawadhi_ali kholasa beknom ke ja ni towzih hatom, eya ya chi shogote to bavar mako
  80. # [16:32] <ChiefRA> rossputin usually is quiet in here :) but we see your link and we have a look from time to time in the chat.
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  82. # [16:34] <rossputin> ChiefRA: no problem, I posted to microformats-new list also so I think I covered all bases
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  84. # [16:37] <rossputin> ChiefRA: have you been on the list long ?
  85. # [16:38] <ChiefRA> what do you mean?
  86. # [16:39] <ChiefRA> I read the discussion between you and tantek from here 2 days ago
  87. # [16:39] <rossputin> no, sorry, I meant have you been coming into IRC for microformats for long ?
  88. # [16:41] <ChiefRA> mm depends, I came here approx. 1 year and a half for a mf implementation and I remained here
  89. # [16:41] <rossputin> yep thats quite a long time
  90. # [16:46] <neuro`> Hello
  91. # [16:47] <rossputin> Hi
  92. # [16:52] <ChiefRA> hi neuro`
  93. # [17:24] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/8l0jt0g2] @wenyunchao Candidate Cuteunclothedfemalewarrior Lt HCards Content Cute U
  94. # [17:28] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/ddossot] I've just launched my first #saas: IDlight, a public profile lookup service - Check it out! http://t.co/F5lwUWfa #webfinger #xrd #hcard #in
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  102. # [18:36] <Loqi> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Tantek * deleted "[[MorelliWheat911]]": content was spam
  103. # [18:36] <Loqi> [[Special:Log/block]] block * Tantek * blocked [[User:MorelliWheat911]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites
  104. # [18:37] <@tantek> aaronpk - site appears to be up again
  105. # [18:40] <neuro`> tantek: can you please send me the content of wp-content please? I need that to finish the mirror. frederic@t37.net
  106. # [18:40] <neuro`> (hello btw)
  107. # [18:43] <Loqi> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Tantek * deleted "[[User:MorelliWheat911]]": content was spam
  108. # [18:43] <@tantek> good morning neuro
  109. # [18:43] <Loqi> *yawn* it looks cloudy
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  111. # [18:49] <@tantek> site is being a bit slow for me (for editing) - anybody else?
  112. # [18:51] <@tantek> neuro - I don't understand what you need from the content of wp-content - specific files? Is it because you are running WP? I thought you were going to create a static mirror for now.
  113. # [18:53] <neuro`> tantek: to get the CSS, JS and image files. Wget does not get them. Well, I can fetch them manually
  114. # [18:55] <Loqi> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=46124&oldid=46118&rcid=59805 * Tantek * (-414) rm Cadouri and timbermarket.ro/cont - only had class "vcard" surrounding everything (not just name) and no other classes. Appears to be from hCard creator, but with propert classes explicitly removed!
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  116. # [19:07] <@tantek> rossputin - I've taken a quick look at /sitemap and have a few quick items of feedback
  117. # [19:08] <@tantek> the sitemap-formats link is red (page missing), but right above it, you mention "Existing standards" and link to sitemaps.org - that's exactly what the sitemap-formats page is for! please move that information there.
  118. # [19:08] <@tantek> In the "problem" section - you don't actually describe what problem you're trying to solve.
  119. # [19:08] <@tantek> what you *do* have there (which is useful to keep) is a list of possible use-cases
  120. # [19:09] <@tantek> neuro are you still crawling the microformats.org server and if so, with how many simultaneous connections?
  121. # [19:10] <Loqi> [http://twitter.com/makita1341398] @great_64 それ前にだれかからもらったのでは？　http://t.co/j98pGbnY
  122. # [19:10] <@tantek> rossputin - finally, on the brainstorming, please use microformats-2 style property names / containment
  123. # [19:11] <@tantek> please take a look at those and iterate and we'll take another look. thanks!
  124. # [19:12] <rossputin> tantek: thanks for the feedback! I will go fix things up.
  125. # [19:13] <@tantek> I have some concerns about using class names for data (i.e. values like daily weekly monthly)
  126. # [19:13] <@tantek> normally that kind of information is user-visible on a page, and then we use microformats to put markup around it
  127. # [19:14] <@tantek> but given that they are specific values from the sitemap XML format - I'm not sure I have a good counter-proposal
  128. # [19:14] <@tantek> we should at least note it as an issue.
  129. # [19:14] <Loqi> yea
  130. # [19:15] <rossputin> tantek: yes agreed I share the concerns, but was trying to keep impact minimal in terms of extra semantic info etc
  131. # [19:15] <rossputin> hopefully will find a compromise somewhere
  132. # [19:15] <@tantek> it is good to capture different possible solutions on the brainstorming page, and explicitly note any issues with each one
  133. # [19:15] <@tantek> that way we can compare options, and compare advantages/disadvantages
  134. # [19:16] <@tantek> the purpose of the brainstorming page is to explore the solution space - more important than trying to agree on one single solution.
  135. # [19:16] <rossputin> I will try to come up with an alternative
  136. # [19:16] <rossputin> thx
  137. # [19:17] <@tantek> it's also good for historical documentation, as the idea is that if someone comes along later and wonders "hey, why didn't they do x?", if we have "x" documented as one of the brainstorm possibilities along with the issues/discussion about it, then people can learn why we did things the way we did
  138. # [19:18] <@tantek> is there anyone here who wrote up the recent xrate page on microformats.org? Artjom Kurapov?
  139. # [19:19] <rossputin> tantek: yes, and I suppose the history can avoid questions being repeated etc
  140. # [19:19] <@tantek> rossputin - exactly, it helps make things quicker to explain to new folks
  141. # [19:20] <@tantek> (and much better than the eternal cycles that seem to erupt on mailing lists on such subjects)
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  144. # [19:36] <Loqi> [[sitemap]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=sitemap&diff=46125&oldid=46119&rcid=59806 * Rossputin * (-103)
  145. # [19:38] <Loqi> [[sitemap-formats]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=sitemap-formats&rcid=59807 * Rossputin * (+246) New page: <entry-title>Sitemap Formats</entry-title> Per the microformats [[process]] this page documents existing formats we may choose to leverage. == sitemaps.org protocol == The [http://www.si...
  146. # [19:57] <Loqi> [[sitemap-issues]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=sitemap-issues&rcid=59808 * Rossputin * (+215) New page: <entry-title>Sitemap Issues<entry-title> Per the microformats [[process]] this page tracks issues raised against the different elements of the sitemap microformat investigation. == Issue...
  147. # [19:58] <Loqi> [[sitemap-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=sitemap-issues&diff=46128&oldid=46127&rcid=59809 * Rossputin * (+1)
  148. # [20:01] <neuro`> tantek: not anymore, I have everything that was online as on Friday evening. I'm now fixing the latest bits of the mirror
  149. # [20:01] <neuro`> like CSS / JS issues, removing the login links from the pages and so
  150. # [20:01] <@tantek> if you wanted, you could keep the login links back to the original site
  151. # [20:03] <Loqi> [[sitemap-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=sitemap-issues&diff=46129&oldid=46128&rcid=59810 * Rossputin * (+471)
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  153. # [20:18] <neuro`> I can yes
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  162. # [21:11] <Loqi> [[sitemap-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=sitemap-brainstorming&diff=46130&oldid=46120&rcid=59811 * Rossputin * (+41)
  163. # [21:16] <@tantek> neuro - when you're ready to have folks take a look at the mirror, perhaps create http://microformats.org/wiki/mirrors and list your mirror there for review
  164. # [21:21] <neuro`> Yes
  165. # [21:21] <Loqi> [[sitemap]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=sitemap&diff=46131&oldid=46125&rcid=59812 * Rossputin * (+398)
  166. # [21:28] <Loqi> [[sitemap]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=sitemap&diff=46132&oldid=46131&rcid=59813 * Rossputin * (+110)
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  176. # [22:58] <Loqi> [[sitemap-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=sitemap-brainstorming&diff=46133&oldid=46130&rcid=59814 * Rossputin * (+197)
  177. # [23:01] <rossputin> tantek: Hi
  178. # [23:01] <rossputin> I had a go at working through your feedback from earlier
  179. # [23:02] <rossputin> I think it's ready as a second iteration
  180. # [23:17] <@tantek> rossputin - that's a lot of good improvements
  181. # [23:18] <@tantek> for the problem statement - I think you've got a good core of a problem statement in the paragraph starting with "Currently accurate ..."
  182. # [23:19] <@tantek> the first paragraph "Enable the …" would work well as a summary statement to put at the top, just after the top level heading
  183. # [23:20] <@tantek> if you'd like, I can try some edits, and then you can continue iterating from there
  184. # [23:22] <rossputin> excellent, thanks
  185. # [23:22] <rossputin> happy for you to try some edits
  186. # [23:22] <rossputin> its late over here in the UK, going to finish up for the day
  187. # [23:22] <rossputin> I will edit and try some different solutions tomorrow
  188. # [23:26] <Loqi> [[sitemap]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=sitemap&diff=46134&oldid=46132&rcid=59815 * Tantek * (+299) move a summary statement to the top, expand problem statement, move a use-case to that section
  189. # [23:26] <Loqi> [[sitemap-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=sitemap-formats&diff=46135&oldid=46126&rcid=59816 * Tantek * (+124) see also
  190. # [23:27] <Loqi> [[sitemap-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=sitemap-issues&diff=46136&oldid=46129&rcid=59817 * Tantek * (+124) see also
  191. # [23:27] <Loqi> [[sitemap-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=sitemap-brainstorming&diff=46137&oldid=46133&rcid=59818 * Tantek * (+128) see also
  192. # [23:28] <Loqi> [[sitemap-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=sitemap-issues&diff=46138&oldid=46136&rcid=59819 * Tantek * (+4) l
  193. # [23:28] <Loqi> [[sitemap-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=sitemap-formats&diff=46139&oldid=46135&rcid=59820 * Tantek * (+48) l sitemap
  194. # [23:28] <@tantek> ok take a look - bbiab
  195. # [23:29] <rossputin> nice one, will do thanks
  196. # [23:30] * Quits: Soopaman (~soopaman@tor-fw.blastradius.com) (Quit: Leaving.)
  197. # [23:33] <rossputin> it looks good, thanks!
  198. # [23:33] <rossputin> goodnight
  199. # [23:33] * Quits: rossputin (~rossputin@027e8bf0.bb.sky.com) (Quit: rossputin)
  200. # [23:33] <Loqi> buenas noches
  201. # [23:35] * Quits: @tantek (~tantek@50-1-62-23.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) (Quit: tantek)
  202. # Session Close: Tue Apr 24 00:00:00 2012

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