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  1. # Session Start: Thu Jun 07 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #microformats
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  4. # [01:11] <Loqi> http://twitter.com/xtof_fr :: #openinnovation check out Mozilla's new #WebFWD site, with hCard + #microformats-2 support! e.g. http://t.co/zNodVjpe http://t.co/XacJZnsC
  5. # [01:13] <Loqi> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=46502&oldid=46468&rcid=60381 * Tantek * (-573) reorganized a few examples into sorted sections, weeded out old/technorati examples, add WebFWD
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  7. # [01:14] <sivy> ahoy hoy
  8. # [01:15] <@tantek> greetings sivy - just updated hCalendar examples in wild with your "new"(er) domain
  9. # [01:15] <@tantek> er, hCard examples in wild
  10. # [01:15] <@tantek> you don't have hCalendar do you?
  11. # [01:15] <sivy> i do not
  12. # [01:21] <Loqi> [[microformats-2]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats-2&diff=46503&oldid=46464&rcid=60382 * Tantek * (+650) add Examples in Wild section now that we have at least three publicly crawlable sites with microformats-2 support!
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  14. # [01:36] <@tantek> sivy - what do you think of microformats-2? how easy/hard would it be for you to add it to your blog (for your contact info, posts etc.)
  15. # [01:37] <@tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats-2
  16. # [01:38] <sivy> seen and apprived, not yet implemented
  17. # [01:38] <sivy> prolly not toohard
  18. # [01:38] <sivy> is there a porting spec?
  19. # [01:38] <sivy> guide?
  20. # [01:38] <sivy> / mapping
  21. # [01:42] <@tantek> there's the list of root class names and properties
  22. # [01:43] <@tantek> right near the top
  23. # [01:43] <@tantek> see also the top of the TOC
  24. # [01:43] <sivy> yeah, i think it would be good to write a per-format porting guide
  25. # [01:43] <sivy> with basic v1 peroprty - >v2 peoprty
  26. # [01:44] <@tantek> do you think a porting guide would be most effective, or just a starting from scratch how-to?
  27. # [01:44] <@tantek> since microformats-2 vocabs are simpler now
  28. # [01:45] <sivy> well, for me, i'm doing a search-replace on my templates
  29. # [01:45] <@tantek> might that replace too much?
  30. # [01:45] <sivy> i have to go remind myself of the v1 peroprties
  31. # [01:45] <sivy> well, that's *my* problem
  32. # [01:45] <sivy> but i'm only doing the templates
  33. # [01:46] <sivy> so it won't get names in posts, etc
  34. # [01:46] <@tantek> and would you want to consider using both for a while for backward compat with current tools, or are you ok pushing the edge and providing only uf2 syntax/vocabs?
  35. # [01:47] <sivy> i'll probably use both since there's a good chance i've hung css properties off the classes
  36. # [01:47] <sivy> and no time to properly re-work it right now
  37. # [01:47] <@tantek> right - that seems like the best advice for existing content
  38. # [01:47] <@tantek> ok cool
  39. # [01:48] <@tantek> so existing microformats -> add microformats 2 to existing classes
  40. # [01:49] <Loqi> [[microformats-2]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats-2&diff=46504&oldid=46503&rcid=60383 * Tantek * (+409) /* v2 vocab to-do */ porting guide, simple tutorial
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  42. # [01:53] <@tantek> welcome gordonb
  43. # [01:54] <gordonb> hello!
  44. # [01:54] <gordonb> I've now got #microformats set to auto-join, so you should see me lurking around here more often.
  45. # [01:55] <@tantek> awesome - on that topic - how have you found implementing them on your personal site?
  46. # [01:56] <gordonb> hmm, it's actually been a while since I've done anything with my personal site ;)
  47. # [01:56] <gordonb> But most of my microformat use has been with WordPress themes
  48. # [01:56] <gordonb> …in the past
  49. # [01:59] <gordonb> (btw, this is https://mozillians.org/en-US/gbrander from down the hall)
  50. # [02:01] <@tantek> indeed! (and too bad that mozillians.org doesn't have anything visible/crawlable on the logged out view)
  51. # [02:02] <@tantek> gordonb - perhaps try adding a simple microformats-2 h-card markup to your name/photo etc. on your personal home page and see how it goes.
  52. # [02:05] <Loqi> http://twitter.com/CAAMinLA :: FILMS @ #CAAM: Beats, Rhymes and the Life: The Travels of a Tribe Called Quest @CAAMinLA 7PM 6/14 - FREE! #helioscal http://t.co/HTS5z8GJ
  53. # [02:06] <gordonb> tantek: I'll give it a shot… looks like I have hCard v1 in there now, so probably shouldn't be difficult.
  54. # [02:08] <@tantek> great
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  89. # [11:24] <Loqi> [[User:Yodeehah]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:Yodeehah&rcid=60384 * Yodeehah * (+104) New page: '''Yudistira'''<br> PDE Kab.Langkat<br> Staff IT Jl.Pancing 1 no 35 Martubung<br> Sumatera Utara/ Medan
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  92. # [12:15] <Loqi> [[Jueves iphone5 19 Twitcam 8 pm hora de Colombia LAS PIRAMIDES Construcciones enormes su inmenso tamaño su peso en toneladas Invita a tus amigos]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Jueves_iphone5_19_Twitcam_8_pm_hora_de_Colombia_LAS_PIRAMIDES_Construcciones_enormes_su_inmenso_tama%C3%B1o_su_peso_en_toneladas_Invita_a_tus_amigos&rcid=60385 * GonzagaSalas2 * (+5317) New page:
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  94. # [13:09] <Loqi> http://twitter.com/sikoshi :: Микроформат hCard http://t.co/deUcEsaE
  95. # [13:11] <Loqi> [[Laporta grafenwoehr todo lo que hacelo hace con la intención de que el club sea cada vez mejor 10mentirasquehasdicho]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Laporta_grafenwoehr_todo_lo_que_hacelo_hace_con_la_intenci%C3%B3n_de_que_el_club_sea_cada_vez_mejor_10mentirasquehasdicho&rcid=60386 * RuthieNavarro * (+2829) New page: [[Image:grafenwoehr_germanygrafenwoehr_germany_5394.jp
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  104. # [17:04] <Loqi> http://twitter.com/hamchwa :: 공감되는 부분이 많은 '프로메테우스' 리뷰. http://t.co/x9Ge4cB0
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  106. # [17:31] <sivy> good am
  107. # [17:32] <sivy> hey tantek: https://github.com/sivy/monkinetic-blog/commit/0f330084c754cea74ad02bdcc7e092bffa67758b
  108. # [17:44] <Loqi> http://twitter.com/gamarravictor :: @viniciuszeca Utilizando hReview, este artigo ensina bem: https://t.co/kYh99hO5 mas cuidado, em vários casos isto pode ser considerado spam.
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  123. # [20:38] <Loqi> [[Off for some revision oh how exciting my life laser is]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Off_for_some_revision_oh_how_exciting_my_life_laser_is&rcid=60387 * EustaceGodfrey * (+4118) New page: [[Image:of_laser_hair_removalof_laser_hair_removal_3718.jpg|thumb|]] betapitch berlin Musicplayr: consume music online in new way from variety of sources, discover songs. social medi
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  126. # [21:09] <Loqi> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * ChristopheDucamp * deleted "[[Jueves iphone5 19 Twitcam 8 pm hora de Colombia LAS PIRAMIDES Construcciones enormes su inmenso tamaño su peso en toneladas Invita a tus amigos]]": content was: '[[Image:release_iphone5release_iphone5_2791.jpg|thumb|]] one account per email I'm afraid vou curtor minha vida ne que venha 2011 com os melhores You...' (and
  127. # [21:09] <Loqi> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * ChristopheDucamp * deleted "[[Laporta grafenwoehr todo lo que hacelo hace con la intención de que el club sea cada vez mejor 10mentirasquehasdicho]]": content was: '[[Image:grafenwoehr_germanygrafenwoehr_germany_5394.jpg|thumb|]] Tea? I like Thai ice tea but that isn't exactly /tea/ tea. CosasDeGamer Poner el mul...' (and the only contributor was '
  128. # [21:10] <Loqi> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * ChristopheDucamp * deleted "[[Off for some revision oh how exciting my life laser is]]": content was: '[[Image:of_laser_hair_removalof_laser_hair_removal_3718.jpg|thumb|]] betapitch berlin Musicplayr: consume music online in new way from variety of s...' (and the only contributor was '[[Special:Contributions/EustaceGodfrey|EustaceGodfrey]]')
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  131. # [21:18] <dprophit> I've been using google's rich snippet testing tool and can't get a preview. Extracted data shows all the requirements. Can anyone help when I give the URL?
  132. # [21:18] <Loqi> http://loqi.me/4UK
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  134. # [21:31] <dprophit> Any microformat guru not busy? heh
  135. # [21:40] <dprophit> Anyone alive? heh
  136. # [22:08] <neuro`> Don't ask to ask, just ask
  137. # [22:08] <neuro`> I'm in a train, which means I may be disconnected anytime, but in the meanwhile I can answer.
  138. # [22:08] <neuro`> Maybe.
  139. # [22:09] <dprophit> https://services.strikehawk.com/products.php?do=products&productid=84 Can't get google rich snippet tool to render a preview. Price is there and in microformat format.
  140. # [22:11] <dprophit> irc was a last resort after reading docs =(
  141. # [22:18] <dprophit> Are my brackets balanced? I'm not sure what's throwing it off.
  142. # [22:29] <dprophit> nero' still online?
  143. # [22:29] <dprophit> I mean neuro'
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  148. # [22:42] <Loqi> [[Special:Log/block]] unblock * Tantek * unblocked User:Yodeehah: user page looks reasonably normal - no spam links
  149. # [22:43] <Loqi> [[Special:Log/block]] block * Tantek * blocked [[User:GonzagaSalas2]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites: per their spam deleted by ChristopheDucamp
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  152. # [22:45] <Loqi> [[User:Yodeehah]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:Yodeehah&diff=46509&oldid=46505&rcid=60396 * Tantek * (+139) welcome, try adding hCard
  153. # [22:45] <Loqi> [[User:Yodeehah]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:Yodeehah&diff=46510&oldid=46509&rcid=60397 * Tantek * (+0) cap
  154. # [23:04] <@tantek> hey sivy - I'll take a look at your github link
  155. # [23:04] <sivy> tantek: not much there - turns out there wasn't a lot of µF stufff in the templates, but I'll find more if I can later
  156. # [23:04] <sivy> that was pass one
  157. # [23:05] <@tantek> looks reasonably good - I see you came up with the same convention I did with putting the uf2 classname before the uf1 equivalent
  158. # [23:05] <@tantek> oh your author h-card is a bit off
  159. # [23:05] <@tantek> because it will included the "Posted by …" as part of the name
  160. # [23:05] <@tantek> per implied properties
  161. # [23:06] <@tantek> sivy, dude, wth: <span class="fn" rel="author">
  162. # [23:06] <@tantek> there is no 'rel' on span
  163. # [23:07] <@tantek> where did that come from?
  164. # [23:07] <sivy> i see property order as precedence :-)
  165. # [23:07] <sivy> re: rel=author it may have been in octopress, or I may have done it by mistake
  166. # [23:09] <@tantek> if you could help track down where it came from, we should fix it
  167. # [23:09] <@tantek> especially if it was in octopress - we should submit a patch
  168. # [23:09] <@tantek> (whereupon we can patch it for uf2 also :) )
  169. # [23:09] <sivy> https://github.com/sivy/monkinetic-blog/commit/bc9e371b0fdb7643b3d1b9dbd72b90cd82041bbf
  170. # [23:10] <@tantek> ah - that fixes the h-card but breaks the hCard
  171. # [23:10] <@tantek> classic (today's) hCard still requires a nested explicit fn
  172. # [23:11] <sivy> arugh-ala
  173. # [23:11] <@tantek> (obv that's fixed in uf2 but for now if you're trying to keep compat, might as well)
  174. # [23:11] <sivy> ok
  175. # [23:11] <sivy> https://github.com/imathis/octopress/blob/master/.themes/classic/source/_includes/post/author.html
  176. # [23:11] <sivy> looks like either it wasn't in octptoress, or it's been fixed
  177. # [23:11] <@tantek> is it possible that it used to be a hyperlink to a page about the author?
  178. # [23:11] <sivy> could be
  179. # [23:12] <sivy> more likyl i was being overly clever
  180. # [23:12] <sivy> what about:
  181. # [23:12] <sivy> <span class="byline vcard">Posted by <span class="fn p-author author h-card">{{ author }}</span></span>
  182. # [23:12] <@tantek> yeah
  183. # [23:12] <@tantek> that works
  184. # [23:12] <@tantek> I do wonder about the "teachability" of that pattern though
  185. # [23:12] <@tantek> as in, will it confuse people
  186. # [23:13] <@tantek> it's more markup, but perhaps putting h-card and vcard on the same element, and then p-name and fn on the child element for just the author name would be better
  187. # [23:13] <sivy> well, later i'll review it for "is this is best way to do it"
  188. # [23:13] <@tantek> depends on what "best" you're optimizing for
  189. # [23:13] <@tantek> least markup?
  190. # [23:13] <sivy> https://github.com/sivy/monkinetic-blog/commit/f55ff5d
  191. # [23:13] <@tantek> or easiest to learn and repurpose?
  192. # [23:13] <sivy> best match between the mental model and the markup
  193. # [23:14] <sivy> which i think would be the latter
  194. # [23:15] <@tantek> yeah, I'm thinking if you want least markup, use only microformats-2
  195. # [23:16] <@tantek> if you want maintainable backward compat, use strictly parallel class name markup. roots for roots, properties for properties.
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  197. # [23:31] <@tantek> if that sounds like a reasonable approach to adopting/deploying microformats-2 markup, I can write it up on the wiki
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