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  1. # Session Start: Tue Oct 09 16:59:31 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #microformats
  3. # [16:59] * Now talking in #microformats
  4. # [16:59] * Topic is 'http://microformats.org/wiki/irc - if you are new here, add yourself to http://microformats.org/wiki/irc-people'
  5. # [16:59] * Set by tantek on Mon Apr 09 17:30:07
  6. # [16:59] -ChanServ- [#microformats] Welcome to #microformats. Logs at http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/microformats
  7. # [16:59] #microformats url is http://microformats.org
  8. # [17:02] <@tantek> singpolyma - not that I know of, I think the best is to raise the barrier higher so you get less targeted
  9. # [17:03] <@tantek> of course the extreme version of this is to use indieauth - there's been maybe 1 spammer ever on the indiewebcamp wiki
  10. # [17:04] <Loqi> [[irc]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=irc&diff=47795&oldid=47018&rcid=62949 * Tantek * (+243) noted krijnh logs were inactive for a few weeks, re-enabled
  11. # [17:06] <@tantek> btw if you don't see "krijnh" here in the channel, do a: /invite krijnh #microformats
  12. # [17:06] <@tantek> and that will keep the logs going
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  14. # [17:47] <Loqi> [[parsers]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=parsers&diff=47796&oldid=47218&rcid=62950 * Tantek * (+99) PHP generic microformats2 parser
  15. # [17:48] <Loqi> [[microformats2]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2&diff=47797&oldid=47608&rcid=62951 * Tantek * (+228) add Implementations section with Node.js and PHP generic microformats2 parsers
  16. # [18:01] <Loqi> http://twitter.com/microformats :: generic PHP #microformats2 parser by @barnabywalters now on github: https://t.co/s5qXgQMG
  17. # [18:08] <@tantek> !tell barnabywalters btw re: "Doesn’t yet handle minimal h-cards" - I've written a pseudo-code algorithm describing exactly when and how to imply which properties - will add it to the microformats-2-parsing page.
  18. # [18:08] <Loqi> Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
  19. # [18:14] <Loqi> [[microformats2]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2&diff=47798&oldid=47797&rcid=62952 * Tantek * (+29) /* SEE ALSO */ link microformats-2-parsing
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  31. # [19:07] <Loqi> [[WyattwqzmlqajdsMishou6322735]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=WyattwqzmlqajdsMishou6322735&rcid=62953 * WyattwqzmlqajdsMishou * (+3786) New page: Which is usually sorted in various destinations although about the online, the most effective sort of modeling is nude modeling. In simple fact, study data and statistics indicate that ear...
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  36. # [19:40] <Loqi> barnabywalters: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 32 minutes ago: btw re: "Doesn’t yet handle minimal h-cards" - I've written a pseudo-code algorithm describing exactly when and how to imply which properties - will add it to the microformats-2-parsing page.
  37. # [19:45] <Loqi> [[parsers]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=parsers&diff=47800&oldid=47796&rcid=62956 * Tantek * (-1) /s
  38. # [19:49] <barnabywalters> I have some questions about implied date times in microformats 2
  39. # [19:49] <@tantek> ok
  40. # [19:49] <barnabywalters> E.g dtstart as a full date time, dtend as just hrs or minutes
  41. # [19:50] <barnabywalters> How does this transfer to generic parsing, specifically in rtol languages
  42. # [19:50] <barnabywalters> Where dtstart may be marked up after dtend
  43. # [19:50] <@tantek> ah right, this is in the value-class-pattern
  44. # [19:50] <barnabywalters> Yep
  45. # [19:50] <barnabywalters> Although I believe it can be used outside value-class…?
  46. # [19:51] <@tantek> I'm thinking we need to update that to be property/vocabulary independent
  47. # [19:51] <@tantek> per microformats2 methodology
  48. # [19:51] <barnabywalters> It would certainly make parsing a hell of a lot easier if full date times were mandatory
  49. # [19:52] <@tantek> hah - the whole point is to make *publishing* a hell of a lot easier
  50. # [19:52] <@tantek> and instead do more work in parsers
  51. # [19:52] <@tantek> needs of the many and all that ;)
  52. # [19:52] <barnabywalters> tantek: Of course, but writing a parser has altered my viewpoint slightly :)
  53. # [19:52] <@tantek> making anything "mandatory" in a format is a way of simply making the format more fragile
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  62. # [19:54] * Set by tantek on Mon Apr 09 17:30:07
  63. # [19:54] -ChanServ- [#microformats] Welcome to #microformats. Logs at http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/microformats
  64. # [19:54] #microformats url is http://microformats.org
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  66. # [19:56] <barnabywalters> True. So I wonder if there is a way this can be dealt with which adopts mf2 principles whilst also allowing partial datetimes
  67. # [19:56] <@tantek> so here's a modest proposed update to implied dates:
  68. # [19:56] <@tantek> * if a dt-* property lacks a date, then it adopts the date of the first (or most recently) seen dt-* property in that microformat. if it's the first, then it adopts its date from the next dt-* property with a date seen in that microformat.
  69. # [19:57] <@tantek> similarly for time zone.
  70. # [19:57] <barnabywalters> That could work
  71. # [19:58] <@tantek> that way, we handle re-ordering transparently (per RtoL)
  72. # [19:58] <@tantek> and it works for any pairs of dates like dt-start & dt-end, or dt-updated and dt-published
  73. # [19:58] <@tantek> etc.
  74. # [19:58] <@tantek> without having to know which specific properties
  75. # [19:58] <barnabywalters> Sounds good. I’ll add an issue about it to php-mf2
  76. # [19:59] <@tantek> cool. I'll add it as a proposed update to the value-class-pattern
  77. # [20:01] <barnabywalters> It shouldn't be too tricky to add to php-mf2, as it’s the same logic as separate date and time in value class, just up one level
  78. # [20:02] <@tantek> so the question is, should it be the *first* or the *most recently* seen dt-* property from which the date is implied?
  79. # [20:02] <barnabywalters> Nearest seems more logical
  80. # [20:02] <@tantek> that's what I was leaning towards as well
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  83. # [20:02] <@tantek> so most recently seen, or next seen
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  85. # [20:03] <barnabywalters> Argh colloquy crashed
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  89. # [20:08] <Loqi> [[Premium Templates]] N http://www.microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Premium_Templates&rcid=62957 * Wiclaiborne68 * (+4176) No matter if you're making a fresh website from never having one or just want to replace your website's look, it is best to think about getting a website template from theme world. Web site templates are great for anyone who wants a straightforward,
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  92. # [20:09] <Loqi> [[value-class-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=value-class-pattern&diff=47802&oldid=47152&rcid=62960 * Tantek * (+955) /* Date and time values */ add date-time implied date handling proposal for microformats2 parsers
  93. # [20:10] <@tantek> barnabywalters for your review: http://microformats.org/wiki/value-class-pattern#microformats2_parsers
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