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  5. # [00:04] <@tantek> !tell barnabywalters the normalization step, where it is, is deliberate, as that is following the semantics of those attributes (normalization to absolute URLs), where-as when present in a title attribute or in text, the expectation both in normal usage and in the browser is *no* normalization.
  6. # [00:04] <Loqi> Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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  26. # [03:36] <Loqi> [[admin-to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=admin-to-do&diff=48384&oldid=47381&rcid=63956 * Tantek * (+120) /* wiki */ more anti-spam measures
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  59. # [09:30] <@tantek> welcome zztr!
  60. # [09:30] <zztr> judging by the beginning of the wikipedia page, I very much like the OpenDoc approach "create small, reusable components, responsible for a specific task" and "a framework in which these components could run together"
  61. # [09:30] <zztr> hi tantek :)
  62. # [09:31] <zztr> this is what I see as part of the power of the command line
  63. # [09:31] <zztr> i want to bring that composability to the gui somehow
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  66. # [09:42] <@tantek> interesting
  67. # [09:42] <@tantek> well let's at least talk more about citation microformat stuff
  68. # [09:42] <@tantek> and see what we can get working with that
  69. # [09:43] <@tantek> maybe we can talk command line / ubiquity (that Mozilla experiment) too
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  125. # [18:13] <Loqi> barnabywalters: tantek left you a message on 10/22 at 2:53pm: the normalization step, where it is, is deliberate, as that is following the semantics of those attributes (normalization to absolute URLs), where-as when present in a title attribute or in text, the expectation both in normal usage and in the browser is *no* normalization.
  126. # [18:17] <@tantek> and I left it in the wrong channel
  127. # [18:17] <@tantek> lol
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  129. # [18:17] <barnabywalters> hm, aaronpk has updated Loqi to not use relative dates any more
  130. # [18:17] <barnabywalters> okay, that makes sense
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  142. # [18:23] <barnabywalters> I looked over the implied properties parsing, and have a slight issue
  143. # [18:24] <barnabywalters> this approach is going to cause loads of false positives, giving potentially long and confusing p-name etc properties to microformats which should never have a p-name
  144. # [18:24] <barnabywalters> e.g. h-adr’s p-name will end up being the entire address as well as any other text within that element
  145. # [18:25] <@tantek> barnabywalters, we *do* have the use-case of named locations
  146. # [18:25] <@tantek> imagine that you had a list of locations, by adr, geo, venue etc. and you needed to put *something* in that list as the *label* of the location item
  147. # [18:25] <@tantek> that *something* would have to be the equivalent of a p-name
  148. # [18:25] <@tantek> so it's actually a feature to automatically get such a labe/title/*name*
  149. # [18:26] <barnabywalters> tantek: which makes this even more of a problem. If there wasn’t the use case of named locations, we could effectively ignore any implied p-name false positives
  150. # [18:26] <@tantek> for almost all software that extracts such data, of any kind, and puts such data in a list
  151. # [18:26] <barnabywalters> but as it is a use case, unnamed locations will get long and potentially confusing names
  152. # [18:26] <@tantek> no it makes it just right, because an explicitly named location will get a p-name from the author, and others will get a synthetic one
  153. # [18:27] <@tantek> if you have a list of locations, you have to put *something* as the list item labels
  154. # [18:27] <@tantek> and rather than something unuser friendly like "unnamed location 1" etc.
  155. # [18:27] <@tantek> at least you'll get the long form of the address or geo or whatever that the author *published* as *visible* content
  156. # [18:28] <@tantek> and that's what saves us
  157. # [18:28] <@tantek> the author *published* as *visible* content -> it's unlikely to be "long and potentially confusing"
  158. # [18:28] <barnabywalters> tantek: unless the author is including the h-adr in prose
  159. # [18:28] <@tantek> we're just taking a snippet of text directly from what the author published as prose
  160. # [18:29] <@tantek> I think in practice it will be fine because such automatic p-names come *directly* from a snippet of text authored by a human, in the order that the human authored it, to be read anyway on the web page they published.
  161. # [18:30] <@tantek> and if the author doesn't want a p-name at all, easy: <span class="p-name"></span>
  162. # [18:30] <@tantek> or rather, wants an empty p-name
  163. # [18:31] <@tantek> which still, doesn't make sense from the inclusion in a list perspective
  164. # [18:31] <@tantek> everything you put into a list needs a short label/title/name for the unexpanded version of the item in the list
  165. # [18:31] <@tantek> automatic p-names gives you this nicely
  166. # [18:32] <@tantek> in the old days of microformats, the issue you're raising would be referred to as a "theoretical issue". let me know when you come across an actual real world example where you think the implied p-name provides a bad experience in some actual use-case.
  167. # [18:32] <@tantek> :)
  168. # [18:33] <barnabywalters> beat me to it ;) I was just writing “true. I suppose if there is an actual issue we will notice it and fix it”
  169. # [18:37] <@tantek> now how would you phrase that as a short neutral point of view question so I can capture it in the FAQ? (because it is a good question with non-obvious answer - I'd never thought of the list item label/title/name use-case until you asked your question)
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  171. # [18:41] <barnabywalters> tantek: thinking about it, caring for+using implied properties is actually something which we could encourage as part of µf2
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  173. # [18:42] <@tantek> I think it will become self-evident without encouragement just by people running parsers / validators to see what their pages produce
  174. # [18:42] <@tantek> especially since you can then use all the p-name properties to construct a short *expandable* list of all the microformats in a page by name
  175. # [18:43] <@tantek> (in your parser sample output)
  176. # [18:43] <@tantek> rather than just "h-card 1", "h-card 2" etc.
  177. # [18:43] <@tantek> it allows for a more human friendly/readable expandable list view of all the microformatted data on a page
  178. # [18:44] <@tantek> and you can use the implied URL if any to link such a name to the actual item, and precede the name with the implied photo sized down to icon size as well
  179. # [18:44] <@tantek> #thisiswhatpopsinmyheadfirstthinginthemorning
  180. # [18:44] <barnabywalters> RE neutral+short version, how’s: “Will using an element’s innerHTML as an implied p-name cause confusing false-positives”
  181. # [18:45] <barnabywalters> heh, it’s almost 6 over here, which is *not* my optimal creative thinking time :/
  182. # [18:45] <@tantek> that's not NPOV - "will … confusing false-positives…." is a negative point of view :P
  183. # [18:45] <barnabywalters> ah! missed that :)
  184. # [18:45] <barnabywalters> “Will using an element’s innerHTML as an implied p-name cause false-positives”
  185. # [18:45] <@tantek> even false-positive is a negative perspective
  186. # [18:46] <@tantek> perhaps phrasing as a question of use would be better
  187. # [18:46] <barnabywalters> well, to a certain degree. arguably if the author did not intend it it’s a false positive
  188. # [18:46] <@tantek> especially with the specific microformat you mentioned: h-adr
  189. # [18:46] <@tantek> it's actually *not* a false positive since it's 100% by design
  190. # [18:47] <@tantek> and predictable, testable etc.
  191. # [18:47] <@tantek> the term false-positive only applies to probabilistic things
  192. # [18:47] <barnabywalters> yes, perhaps this is better presented as a “positive+useful side effect” of implied properties as opposed to a FAQ item
  193. # [18:49] <@tantek> something more along the lines of: what is the use-case implied p-name properties for microformats like h-adr where authors do not typically specify names for such structure? (but that's too long)
  194. # [18:50] <@tantek> a-ha I knew I'd seen something like this before
  195. # [18:50] <@tantek> see bottom of http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-implied-properties#root_class_only_and_name_property
  196. # [18:50] <@tantek> issues: may not work for all microformats, e.g. how would adr or geo work with this?
  197. # [18:51] <@tantek> would that be reasonable approximation of the question you asked?
  198. # [18:51] <@tantek> how does h-adr or h-geo work with implied p-names?
  199. # [18:51] <@tantek> how do h-adr and h-geo work with implied p-names?
  200. # [18:52] <barnabywalters> that seems to fit the bill as well as addressing an existing issue
  201. # [18:53] <@tantek> ok, that's good that you encountered the same question as I did before when I logged that issue, definitely means that's worthy of including as an FAQ. perhaps more of a general microformats2-faq rather than just a parsing-faq since it effects authors
  202. # [18:54] <barnabywalters> yesterday I got sidetracked fixing bugs, but php-mf2 is ready to have implied parsing added, so we can actually test this with some real world data
  203. # [18:54] <barnabywalters> and see what happens :)
  204. # [18:57] <@tantek> woohoo!
  205. # [18:57] <@tantek> we can try it with the growing list of examples in the wild
  206. # [18:57] <@tantek> btw now in blog posts whenever I just mentions someone's name or link to them I'm using class="h-card" because it's so much easier to type so little
  207. # [18:57] <barnabywalters> fab!
  208. # [18:57] <@tantek> I'm not bothering with class="vcard" and explicit class="fn" etc. too much typing/markup when I just want to keep blogging
  209. # [18:58] <barnabywalters> I think that’s pretty much in line with what others are doing for inline mentions of people
  210. # [18:58] <@tantek> e.g. http://tantek.com/2012/296/b1/san-francisco-election-flyer-statistics
  211. # [18:58] <@tantek> right
  212. # [18:59] <barnabywalters> last question: when checking for whether or not to look for implied properties, am I looking for p-name or *-name in the list of parsed property names?
  213. # [19:00] <barnabywalters> the parsing guidelines are vague, they don’t specify either way
  214. # [19:00] <barnabywalters> to a certain extent, e-name would be useful
  215. # [19:00] <barnabywalters> u-name or dt-name would be fairly ridiculous
  216. # [19:03] <@tantek> in the list of parsed property names, there are no prefixes
  217. # [19:04] <@tantek> is that not self-evident from the simple Parsed JSON examples? microformats.org/wiki/microformats2
  218. # [19:05] <@tantek> also the order of operations in the parsing algorithm is pretty clear
  219. # [19:05] <@tantek> you only parse for implied properties *after* parsing an element for explicit properties
  220. # [19:06] <@tantek> per http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing#parse_an_element_for_microformats
  221. # [19:06] <@tantek> and parsing for implied properties specifically refers to "name", "url" and "photo"
  222. # [19:06] <@tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing#parsing_for_implied_properties
  223. # [19:07] <@tantek> unprefixed versions of the property names
  224. # [19:07] <@tantek> the p- u- dt- e- prefixes are basically parse-time directives that are dropped once parsing is done and you collect the properties/values into your parse tree / JSON.
  225. # [19:09] <barnabywalters> php-mf doesn’t output the canonical JSON yet. Another thing on the todo list
  226. # [19:09] <@tantek> odd - it looked like it almost did
  227. # [19:10] <barnabywalters> nope, not quite
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  229. # [19:12] <aaronpk> barnabywalters: actually loqi switches to absolute dates after some threshold
  230. # [19:12] * Loqi is done
  231. # [19:13] <barnabywalters> aaronpk: oh, really? cool, haven’t noticed that before
  232. # [19:19] <Loqi> [[Ohhh baby I like It Paintball rawwwwww ODB]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Ohhh_baby_I_like_It_Paintball_rawwwwww_ODB&rcid=63990 * BerthaChan6 * (+1146) New page: [[Image:Paintball_4337.jpg|thumb|]] Could Baseball Have a "Bounty-Gate" Equivalent? | FF para otras maravillosas comunidades :D dale amorsha paso algo? Happy International Womens Day! In ...
  233. # [19:27] <Loqi> [[Special:Log/block]] block * Tantek * blocked [[User:BerthaChan6]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites
  234. # [19:27] <Loqi> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Tantek * deleted "[[Ohhh baby I like It Paintball rawwwwww ODB]]": content was spam
  235. # [19:36] <barnabywalters> argh. XPath syntax for only-node is *hideous*
  236. # [19:36] <barnabywalters> .//img[count(preceding-sibling::*)+count(following-sibling::*)=0]
  237. # [19:54] <barnabywalters> I added support for all the implied properties in http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing
  238. # [19:55] <barnabywalters> the only thing which isn’t done right now is resolving relative URLs
  239. # [19:55] <@tantek> that's great barnabywalters!
  240. # [19:55] <@tantek> does it work in the test page you set up?
  241. # [19:55] <barnabywalters> and now I’m doing real versioning, we’re on v0.1.1 (https://packagist.org/packages/mf2/mf2)
  242. # [19:56] <barnabywalters> yep, I just updated it on my vps
  243. # [19:56] <barnabywalters> give it a test run!
  244. # [19:56] <@tantek> remind me the URL?
  245. # [19:56] <barnabywalters> http://waterpigs.co.uk/php-mf2/
  246. # [19:56] <barnabywalters> URL entry field coming soon ;)
  247. # [19:58] <barnabywalters> hm, looks like there’s some odd behaviour happening not covered by my tests
  248. # [19:59] <@tantek> hmm, just tried this source and didn't get any properties: <a class="h-card" href="http://tantek.com/">Tantek Çelik</a>
  249. # [20:00] <Loqi> [[microformats2]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2&diff=48404&oldid=48381&rcid=63993 * Tantek * (+187) /* Implementations */ packagist and live URLs for php-mf2
  250. # [20:00] <barnabywalters> tantek: yep, turned out my update failed. Should be working in a min
  251. # [20:00] <@tantek> barnabywalters perhaps try running the simple examples at the top of http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#simple_microformats_2_examples and make sure it outputs the items and properties as shown with in the Parsed JSON sections?
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  257. # [20:53] <barnabywalters> tantek: I fixed a couple of bugs, so http://waterpigs.co.uk/php-mf2 is working a lot better with implied properties now
  258. # [20:53] <barnabywalters> still a few odd bits of behaviour, but it’s working a lot better
  259. # [20:54] <@tantek> that is much better
  260. # [20:54] <@tantek> key thing - remove the prefixes when putting the properties into the JSON
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  262. # [20:54] <@tantek> e.g. [p-name] => Tantek Çelik - should just be - [name] => Tantek Çelik
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  264. # [21:16] <Loqi> [[mediawiki-customization]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=mediawiki-customization&diff=48405&oldid=46651&rcid=63994 * Tantek * (+64) /* How to */ link SyntaxHighlight_GeSHi
  265. # [21:18] <Loqi> [[mediawiki-customization]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=mediawiki-customization&diff=48406&oldid=48405&rcid=63995 * Tantek * (+96) see also WHATWG MediaWiki customizations
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  270. # [21:48] * @tantek goes back to collecting & writing microformats2 FAQ entries.
  271. # [21:51] <barnabywalters> *drumroll*
  272. # [21:51] <barnabywalters> …aaaaand…
  273. # [21:51] <barnabywalters> http://waterpigs.co.uk/php-mf2/ outputs canonical JSON µf representation instead of print_r‘ing an array!
  274. # [21:51] <@tantek> woot!
  275. # [21:51] <Loqi> yay!
  276. # [21:52] <barnabywalters> it doesn’t quite handle nested µf right
  277. # [21:52] <barnabywalters> but it is a start
  278. # [21:52] <@tantek> it's a huge step forward
  279. # [21:53] <@tantek> "type" should be an array
  280. # [21:53] <barnabywalters> good catch. didn’t notice that
  281. # [21:53] <@tantek> "type": ["h-card"] rather than just "type": "h-card"
  282. # [21:53] <@tantek> try parsing:
  283. # [21:53] <@tantek> <a class="h-card h-person" href="http://tantek.com/">Tantek Çelik</a>
  284. # [21:54] <@tantek> should give you a type value lik
  285. # [21:54] <@tantek> like
  286. # [21:54] <barnabywalters> I’m on v0.1.5 already
  287. # [21:54] <@tantek> "type": ["h-card", "h-person"]
  288. # [21:55] <barnabywalters> ah, php-mf2 won’t do that without some alterations
  289. # [21:55] <barnabywalters> is there an example of that on the wiki?
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  291. # [21:56] <@tantek> yes
  292. # [21:56] <@tantek> see http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#h-card_org_h-card
  293. # [21:56] <@tantek> scroll down to
  294. # [21:57] <@tantek> FOR PARSERS ONLY:
  295. # [21:57] <@tantek> it's inside a nested microformat
  296. # [21:57] <@tantek> but you can extract it and test it standalone as well
  297. # [21:57] <@tantek> this:
  298. # [21:57] <@tantek> <a class="p-org h-card h-org"
  299. # [21:57] <@tantek> href="http://mozilla.org/"
  300. # [21:57] <@tantek> >Mozilla Foundation</a>
  301. # [21:57] <@tantek> ...
  302. # [21:57] <@tantek> "type": ["h-card", "h-org"],
  303. # [21:57] <@tantek> "properties": {
  304. # [21:57] <@tantek> "name": ["Mozilla Foundation"],
  305. # [21:57] <@tantek> "url": ["http://mozilla.org/"]
  306. # [21:58] <@tantek> }
  307. # [21:58] <@tantek> (fragments obviously)
  308. # [21:59] <@tantek> BTW hence the first step of: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing#parse_an_element_for_microformats
  309. # [21:59] <barnabywalters> fab, I’ll add GH issues for this and the other things to do
  310. # [21:59] <@tantek> is:
  311. # [21:59] <@tantek> "parse element class for root class name(s) "h-x" (and backcompat)"
  312. # [21:59] <@tantek> note the "root class name(s)"
  313. # [21:59] <@tantek> pluralization
  314. # [22:00] <@tantek> coming along quite well barnabywalters - this is great stuff
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  316. # [22:00] <@tantek> have you tested all the simple examples in the wiki to see if they work as expected?
  317. # [22:01] <@tantek> they're all looking good to me (except for the "type" should be an array detail)
  318. # [22:01] <barnabywalters> added at https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/issues/3
  319. # [22:02] <barnabywalters> thanks :) Making a generic parser is a fun challenge
  320. # [22:02] <barnabywalters> I went through some of them to make sure. I’m using some of them as test cases, so I don’t have to look at them per say
  321. # [22:02] <barnabywalters> just run `phpunit /tests` ;)
  322. # [22:02] <@tantek> great!
  323. # [22:07] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing&diff=48407&oldid=48221&rcid=63996 * Tantek * (+95) see also faq
  324. # [22:15] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-faq&diff=48408&oldid=48402&rcid=63997 * Tantek * (+1123) checking for explicit properties before implying
  325. # [22:17] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-faq&diff=48409&oldid=48408&rcid=63998 * Tantek * (+24) /* see also */ see also faq
  326. # [22:22] <barnabywalters> Okay, I added the multiple type thing, and better handling of nested µf
  327. # [22:22] <barnabywalters> at the moment all nested µf are just put in a `children` property, https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/issues/4 documents the need for ones attached to a property to be filed under that
  328. # [22:22] <barnabywalters> phew! That’s enough for tonight :) Thanks for the help tantek
  329. # [22:23] <@tantek> thank you too barnabywalters!
  330. # [22:23] <@tantek> I'm just now writing up the FAQ about how do h-adr and h-geo work with an implied name property
  331. # [22:23] <@tantek> certainly worthy of explaining
  332. # [22:23] <@tantek> and a nice prod to get me to resolve that already outstanding issue in the spec :)
  333. # [22:24] <@tantek> check it out in (your) morning and see if it makes sense - I'll leave a !tell with URL for you
  334. # [22:24] <barnabywalters> oh cool. actually I haven’t tested how effectively that works with h-adr yet
  335. # [22:24] <barnabywalters> loqi is so useful for cross-timezone collaboration
  336. # [22:30] * barnabywalters ’s brain has seized up due to TOO MANY nested objects and arrays, and so is signing off. Goodnight!
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  338. # [22:30] <Loqi> don't let the bed bugs bite
  339. # [22:38] <Loqi> [[microformats2-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-faq&diff=48410&oldid=48393&rcid=63999 * Tantek * (+2560) how do h-adr and h-geo work with an implied name property
  340. # [22:41] <Loqi> [[microformats2-implied-properties]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-implied-properties&diff=48411&oldid=48187&rcid=64000 * Tantek * (+135) /* root class only and name property */ replace issue with a link to the FAQ and a short inline answer.
  341. # [22:41] <@tantek> !tell barnabywalters FAQ on the subject as promised: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-faq#how_do_h-adr_and_h-geo_work_with_an_implied_name_property
  342. # [22:41] <Loqi> Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
  343. # [22:51] <Loqi> [[last-modified-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=last-modified-examples&diff=48412&oldid=47616&rcid=64001 * Apollosan * (+76) /* See also */
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  345. # [23:23] <Loqi> [[last-modified-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=last-modified-examples&diff=48413&oldid=48412&rcid=64002 * Tantek * (-76) Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/Apollosan|Apollosan]] ([[User talk:Apollosan|Talk]]) to last version by [[User:Tantek|Tantek]]
  346. # [23:23] <Loqi> [[Special:Log/block]] block * Tantek * blocked [[User:Apollosan]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites
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