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  1. # Session Start: Tue Nov 20 00:00:00 2012
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  3. # [00:10] <Loqi> [[Satellite Web - Your Gateway to Operating From House8637193]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Satellite_Web_-_Your_Gateway_to_Operating_From_House8637193&rcid=65041 * CelenaxqfambukxjAlcivar * (+3422) New page: If you function from house or run a company out of your house workplace, you might be performing your function a disservice by utilizing dial-up. It slows you down,
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  12. # [00:26] <Loqi> http://twitter.com/drumwork :: Retro Steam Train - Holiday Cards by http://www.HolidayCardWebsite.com/hcards/ http://www.holidaycardwebsite.com/Default.aspx
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  15. # [00:34] <tommorris> tantek: sorry, got slightly distracted.
  16. # [00:35] <tommorris> tantek: the mapping is pretty much as expected, but with two little niceties - language inference from @lang attributes and adding rdfs:labels. I'll have to read up on what the current best practice is for HTML-in-RDF.
  17. # [00:36] <tommorris> oh, and using RDFa @about attributes if they are there. that way you can mix-and-match microformats-2 with RDFa and have a consistent output graph. ;)
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  20. # [00:41] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing&diff=48901&oldid=48728&rcid=65049 * TomMorris * (+31) /* see also */ adding microformats2-parsing-rdf
  21. # [00:47] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-rdf]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-rdf&rcid=65050 * TomMorris * (+5264) New page: Draft Microformats2-to-RDF mapping Tantek asked me to draft up a Microformats2-to-RDF mapping. It's pretty straightforward to do. This is rough and will need cleaning up. == RDF model ==...
  22. # [00:48] <tommorris> tantek: the example at http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-rdf#Representing_nested_microformats … if you squint a bit, it's just like JSON with namespaces. ;-)
  23. # [00:48] * @tantek reads
  24. # [00:49] <tommorris> it's very far from finished. I wrote it on the train home after a day in London OpenStreetMapping.
  25. # [00:49] <@tantek> hey that's pretty neat - looks like a fairly straightforward 1:1 mapping
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  27. # [00:51] <tommorris> the rdfs:label bit is a duplication. p-name is pretty close to rdfs:label, and I think storing both is probably better for round-tripping
  28. # [00:52] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-rdf]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-rdf&diff=48903&oldid=48902&rcid=65051 * TomMorris * (+5) /* Representing nested microformats */ thinko
  29. # [00:52] <tommorris> I'll clean it up tomorrow and work out the complicated bits
  30. # [00:53] <tommorris> date-time should be fairly straight forward. I'm just going to say "pick whatever XSD date time format fits best" - so if it's just 2012-11-19 go to xsd:date, and if it's got a time, then go for xsd:dateTime
  31. # [00:54] <tommorris> tantek: has representative hcard been specced out for uf2?
  32. # [00:54] <@tantek> tommorris - it's orthogonal to the syntax I believe
  33. # [00:54] <@tantek> I'm not sure any new speccing is necessary
  34. # [00:55] <@tantek> could you rephrase your question as a publishing or parsing question?
  35. # [00:55] <tommorris> okay, should a parser look for representative hcards any differently in microformats2? same rules but just with h-card, right?
  36. # [01:02] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-rdf]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-rdf&diff=48904&oldid=48903&rcid=65052 * TomMorris * (+762) explaining how to handle mixtures of microformats2 and RDFa
  37. # [01:02] <@tantek> as far as I can tell, the simple two step representative hCard algorithm works on the parsed properties: http://microformats.org/wiki/representative-hcard-parsing#representative_hCard_algorithm
  38. # [01:05] <tommorris> okay, what I'll do is split off the core of how to do microformats-2 to RDF and then put twiddly bits at the end in a separate section.
  39. # [01:05] <tommorris> then perhaps write a implementation. ;-)
  40. # [01:05] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-rdf]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-rdf&diff=48905&oldid=48904&rcid=65053 * Tantek * (+73) s/fn/name
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  42. # [01:06] <tommorris> ah, it's just name now? awesome
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  45. # [01:07] <@tantek> yeah :/
  46. # [01:08] <@tantek> we've resisted renaming things in microformats in general
  47. # [01:08] <tommorris> tantek: can I trouble you for some user rights on microformats.org? going from Wikipedia admin to having to fill in a CAPTCHA every time I add a link is quite a downgrade. ;)
  48. # [01:08] <@tantek> however, oddly (ironically?) "fn" has been fairly consistently and independently renamed by everyone else forking vCard etc. to just "name"
  49. # [01:08] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-rdf]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-rdf&diff=48906&oldid=48905&rcid=65054 * TomMorris * (-231) /* Representative hCard parsing */ details
  50. # [01:09] <tommorris> hmm. strange, the captcha still is there for autoconfirmed
  51. # [01:09] <@tantek> oops edit collision
  52. # [01:09] <@tantek> and here I was trying to be helpful ;)
  53. # [01:10] <tommorris> I fixed the edit conflict
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  55. # [01:10] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-rdf]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-rdf&diff=48907&oldid=48906&rcid=65055 * TomMorris * (+12) lang is text
  56. # [01:10] <@tantek> except the first paragraph
  57. # [01:10] <@tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-rdf&diff=48906&oldid=48905&rcid=65054
  58. # [01:10] <@tantek> errantly dropped I think
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  60. # [01:10] <tommorris> nah, I removed that intentionally
  61. # [01:11] <tommorris> no, wait, I didn't
  62. # [01:11] <tommorris> silly me
  63. # [01:11] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-rdf]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-rdf&diff=48908&oldid=48907&rcid=65056 * TomMorris * (+167) put back in para that I accidentally removed by tantek
  64. # [01:14] <Loqi> [[User:TomMorris]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:TomMorris&diff=48909&oldid=40974&rcid=65057 * TomMorris * (-26) /* My Links */ updating what I'm using
  65. # [01:16] <Loqi> [[User:TomMorris]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:TomMorris&diff=48910&oldid=48909&rcid=65058 * TomMorris * (-747) fixing up
  66. # [01:22] <Loqi> [[representative-hcard-parsing]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=representative-hcard-parsing&diff=48911&oldid=42883&rcid=65059 * Tantek * (-53) simplify a little, link to microformats2 parsing since that's the direction we're going
  67. # [01:23] <@tantek> tommorris - re wiki privs, yeah that seems reasonable to me. I'll recommend promoting you to a wiki admin to the other microformats admins (cc: Phae, benward who appear to be in the channel).
  68. # [01:24] <tommorris> it's almost been a year since adminship on english wikipedia and so far I haven't broken anything.
  69. # [01:24] <@tantek> we don't really have levels of wiki adminship - so once you're there, hopefully you can help us with blocking/deleting spam also ;)
  70. # [01:25] <tommorris> yup
  71. # [01:25] <@tantek> (and we've got a queue of spam blocking wiki admin tasks to get to hopefully minimize the whack-a-spam task in the future: http://microformats.org/wiki/admin-to-do#wiki )
  72. # [01:25] <tommorris> right, sleeptime. I'll fix up the wiki page some more in the morning
  73. # [01:25] <@tantek> sounds good - thanks for braindumping and writing it up!
  74. # [01:26] <@tantek> hopefully the rep hCard algorithm is a bit more understandable now
  75. # [01:26] <@tantek> from a microformats2 perspective etc.
  76. # [01:26] <@tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/representative-hcard-parsing#representative_hCard_algorithm
  77. # [01:36] <Loqi> [[angry birds nest time is near for a recall hunt count2969079]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=angry_birds_nest_time_is_near_for_a_recall_hunt_count2969079&rcid=65060 * GerardojtjrkqsdtgHollier * (+245) New page: Yes, the wait is finally over, Angry Birds Star Wars is now available for iOS, PC, Mac and Android via Google Play with more platforms [https://itunes.apple.com/u
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  83. # [01:58] <Loqi> http://twitter.com/NSPmatamoros :: Giving Thanks and Giving Back with The hCard http://networkedblogs.com/EWQrj
  84. # [01:58] <Loqi> http://twitter.com/Kenneth_Little :: Giving Thanks and Giving Back with The hCard http://networkedblogs.com/EWQrj
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  129. # [10:59] <@Phae> tantek, tommorris: consider me +1
  130. # [10:59] <@tantek> thanks Phae
  131. # [11:03] <Loqi> [[User:TomMorris]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:TomMorris&diff=48918&oldid=48910&rcid=65078 * TomMorris * (+9) added rel=tag
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  139. # [12:00] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-rdf]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-rdf&diff=48922&oldid=48908&rcid=65082 * TomMorris * (+2808) cleanup, expand, added multi-lingual example
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  145. # [12:16] <ChiefRA> hi there.
  146. # [12:18] <ChiefRA> guys, I need your help :) I wish to build a small Lyrics website for testing purposes, and I have 2 problems: 1) I don't know which paltform will fit better and 2) what kind of microformats should I apply. All comments are more than welcome, thanks.
  147. # [12:19] <ChiefRA> requirements would include a small database for login purposes, as to post/modify lyrics on the website you must be logged in.
  148. # [12:47] <tommorris> ChiefRA: so, on the microformats front, hAtom probably. maybe h-cite.
  149. # [12:47] <tommorris> ChiefRA: and possibly things like rel=tag.
  150. # [12:48] <tommorris> ChiefRA: as for platforms? I shall channel photographers who say "the best camera is the one you have with you" and say "the best content management system/web framework is the one you understand".
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  156. # [14:18] <ChiefRA> tommorris thanks for the feedback. I think I'll go for Wiki platform
  157. # [14:24] <Loqi> [[ekiosku]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=ekiosku&rcid=65084 * Kamarblogger * (+2323) New page: {{Refimprove|date=November 2012}} '''Ekiosku''' are websites that have a directory of online shopping stores. Stores may include [[Best Buy]], [[Aéropostale (clothing)|Aeropostale]], [[H...
  158. # [14:27] <Loqi> [[ekiosku]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=ekiosku&diff=48925&oldid=48924&rcid=65085 * ChiefRA * (-2323) removed spammy content
  159. # [14:30] <Loqi> [[ekiosku]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=ekiosku&diff=48926&oldid=48925&rcid=65086 * Kamarblogger * (+1809)
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  164. # [14:47] <Loqi> [[User:Kamarblogger]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:Kamarblogger&rcid=65088 * Kamarblogger * (+787) New page: Hello. I'm iyan. I'm based near Magelang,indonesia. I work sailor and my hobies are listen the music ,blogging, watch movieand comedy because all that make me happy and entertain my self ....
  165. # [15:10] <Loqi> [[gender-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=gender-formats&diff=48929&oldid=44275&rcid=65089 * TomMorris * (+63) /* FOAF */ expanding
  166. # [15:10] <MikeD_> hey, should I take the extra step of using the itemscope/et al. from http://schema.org/Event in addition to h-Event ?
  167. # [15:11] <MikeD_> tbh, this schema looks klunky and unfinished
  168. # [15:16] <MikeD_> also, it seems whomever is writing the examples has no idea about semantic elements
  169. # [15:24] <MikeD_> http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2011/06/introducing-schemaorg-search-engines.html "while it’s OK to use the new schema.org markup or continue to use existing microformats or RDFa markup, you should avoid mixing the formats together on the same web page, as this can confuse our parsers."
  170. # [15:24] <MikeD_> "confuse our parsers" is lazy developer-speak for "it would be hard for us"
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  172. # [15:28] <tommorris> MikeD_: I concur. if I can implement a microformats parser, Google should be able to.
  173. # [15:29] <MikeD_> did you look at schema.org/Event (for comparison to h-event)
  174. # [15:29] <tommorris> MikeD_: and, as far as I can tell, with microformats2, it mixes rather well with RDFa. I sat there thinking it was going to be a clusterfuck, but it isn't
  175. # [15:29] <tommorris> well, it's only a problem if you are using microdata
  176. # [15:30] <MikeD_> i would make the effort to over-describe the content using both formats if they didn't admit they're too lazy to cope with it
  177. # [15:30] <tommorris> if you were to use the RDFa version of that schema.org class, there's no reason why you can't intermix it with microformats
  178. # [15:30] <MikeD_> i will read about RDFa.. i was thinking microformats is easy/obvious... i should have stopped there :)
  179. # [15:31] <tommorris> and I'm pretty sure that Google probably aren't parsing microformats2
  180. # [15:32] <tommorris> so, RDFa and microformats2 mix perfectly. I'm writing a microformats2-to-RDF conversion spec at the moment and there's no discernible conflicts.
  181. # [15:33] <tommorris> as for RDFa and original microformats… can't see any particular reason you can't mix them. there is no generic way of parsing the older microformats.
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  184. # [16:07] <Loqi> [[gender-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=gender-examples&diff=48930&oldid=46180&rcid=65090 * TomMorris * (+510) /* sites and services */ adding more sites including dating sites
  185. # [16:08] <Loqi> [[gender-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=gender-examples&diff=48931&oldid=48930&rcid=65091 * TomMorris * (+1) fixing link
  186. # [16:14] <Loqi> http://twitter.com/FreeWSOdownload :: Free download: WSO - WP Author hReview (Plugin) http://www.freewso.info/wp-author-hreview-plugin/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
  187. # [16:23] <MikeD_> Loqi are you a bot?
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  189. # [16:26] <tommorris> MikeD_: yes.
  190. # [16:26] <tommorris> MikeD_: it gets tweets in that mention microformats and also posts changes to the wiki
  191. # [16:35] <Loqi> [[irc-people]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=irc-people&diff=48932&oldid=48576&rcid=65092 * TomMorris * (+47) adding myself
  192. # [16:43] <MikeD_> oh
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  207. # [18:24] <Loqi> http://twitter.com/tizionario :: [PHPvCard] https://t.co/UJsAZIHJ Tiziano Basile - hCard method bug fix
  208. # [18:24] <Loqi> http://twitter.com/tizionario :: [PHPvCard] https://t.co/lvYVBpw9 Tiziano Basile - "generate_hCard" method written
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  211. # [18:32] <Loqi> [[gender-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=gender-formats&diff=48934&oldid=48929&rcid=65099 * Tantek * (+913) note vCard4 has a gender property with fields sex and gender-identity, pull it to the top since as the most recent/modern gender related format, influenced by this page and proposed by this community
  212. # [18:33] <Loqi> [[gender-formats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=gender-formats&diff=48935&oldid=48934&rcid=65100 * Tantek * (+5) entry-title, autotoc
  213. # [19:07] <Loqi> [[gone beef it up move tramp San Antonio Interior Design its the 15th I got my foood stamps]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=gone_beef_it_up_move_tramp_San_Antonio_Interior_Design_its_the_15th_I_got_my_foood_stamps&rcid=65101 * CalebCalhoun6 * (+1893) New page: [[Image:San_Antonio_Interior_Design_4376.jpg|thumb|]] Eu quero o caderno autografado pela Sophia que a está sort
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  218. # [20:06] <Loqi> http://twitter.com/jordaofelix :: Como resolver o problema dos Avisos: Missing required field Title Updated e hCard http://rentabilizacao.com/como-resolver-o-problema-dos-avisos-missing-required-field-title-updated-e-hcard via @rentabilizacao
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